Re: [IceHorses] se sweet itch / summer eczema

2008-07-13 Thread Janice McDonald
i googled Happy Jack, you can get it from Amazon.com. Manufacturer: Happy Jack Epa Reg. No. 2781-1 Active Ingredient(s) Sulfur 28% Inert ingredients* 72% Total 100% *Linseed oil, turpentine, pine tar oil, cod liver oil, lanolin, and tar acid oil Happy Jack Mange Medicine Indications A sarc

[IceHorses] se sweet itch / summer eczema

2008-07-13 Thread Janice McDonald
hey you guys, i think sulphur works repelling gnats! Trausti and nasi both were doing some what i would call normal rubbing, no hair loss, and I would see just swarms of gnats around their sheaths when in between bug spray treatments. My elderly friend, a breeder of over fifty years, told me a su

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season (Sweet Itch / Summer Eczema)now bats

2008-07-12 Thread Wanda Lauscher
2008/7/12 Anneliese Virro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> originally ignored them. I decided that as long we have constructed >> the bat houses, the critters should make use of them. So I took a >> cardboard box, dumped a shutter-full of bats (about 45 or so) into >> the cardboard box and taped it under th

[IceHorses] SE Season (Sweet Itch / Summer Eczema)now bats

2008-07-12 Thread Anneliese Virro
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Laree Shulman wrote: > >> I'll let you know how >> >> Oh yeah - I also put up a bat house - hoping they'll eat some of the >> gnats if I can attract the bats >> > > > > > > > Hi All: > > Just returned from our four-week duty-trip (marital duty for me, not > my hus

Re: [IceHorses] SE - Laree

2008-06-18 Thread Laree Shulman
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Unfortunately, the only person/place that has it now is Gudmar. I bought 3 bottles from him recently if one of you guys need some. > > > It sounds like Doppa might need it worse than Tivar, but if Laree doesn't > ta

[IceHorses] SE

2008-06-15 Thread Docnshop2
If anyone wants to try the Icelandic Lotion let me know. I can spare one or two bottles. It really helps the itching. I bought what Gudmar had at the evaluations because usually I have to use some on Hlekkur's ventral line. This year (knock on wood) with the bug check I have not had to d

Re: [IceHorses] SE - Laree

2008-06-15 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Unfortunately, the only person/place that has it now is Gudmar. I >>> bought 3 bottles from him recently if one of you guys need some. It sounds like Doppa might need it worse than Tivar, but if Laree doesn't take the bottle, I will. I left Teev's Swat off his belly for 3-4 nights, and a

Re: [IceHorses] SE - Laree

2008-06-15 Thread Docnshop2
In a message dated 6/15/2008 2:35:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you know a source where we can buy it in the USA? Unfortunately, the only person/place that has it now is Gudmar. I bought 3 bottles from him recently if one of you guys need some.

Re: [IceHorses] SE - Laree

2008-06-15 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Try some icelandic lotion on her face to see if it will help get >>> the itching under control. I have seen it really help with the >>> itching. Do you know a source where we can buy it in the USA? Karen Thomas, NC

[IceHorses] SE - Laree

2008-06-15 Thread Docnshop2
Laree, Try some icelandic lotion on her face to see if it will help get the itching under control. I have seen it really help with the itching. Renee **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http

Re: [IceHorses] SE (Summer Eczema, Sweet Itch)

2008-06-05 Thread Ashley Gallant
>   Actually the thing that made a nice dent was powdered > garlic.  > Janice > Janice, Have you tried any of the Spot-on products?  I came out last week and my horses were totally getting eaten up and scabby everywhere, so I tried Spot-On and they have been completely bite free for a week and

Re: [IceHorses] SE (Summer Eczema, Sweet Itch)

2008-06-02 Thread Janice McDonald
> "In Maine they're called midges - my horse is allergic to them, too - on > chondroitin, which has helped immensely, and may get a half dose of > Wistrol (sp?) per Eleanor when my vet comes. Without this, she tears > herself to pieces." I know I sound so poor people probably think i shouldnt

Re: [IceHorses] SE-an insight

2008-06-02 Thread Janice McDonald
Tivar is an extreme case of a horse > that has to DO something when he's stressed. I don't think I've ever met > another as extreme as he is in this regards...and it's so odd, since he's > such a mild-mannered and reliable trail horse, and not at all what you'd > call a hyper horse. thats very i

[IceHorses] SE (Summer Eczema, Sweet Itch)

2008-06-01 Thread Judy Ryder
>From the Equine Cushings list: "In Maine they're called midges - my horse is allergic to them, too - on chondroitin, which has helped immensely, and may get a half dose of Wistrol (sp?) per Eleanor when my vet comes. Without this, she tears herself to pieces." Judy http://iceryder.net http://c

[IceHorses] SE- Tivar

2008-06-01 Thread Docnshop2
Unfortunately Susan does not carry it anymore. I called her several weeks ago and she told me she did not have it. There was some sort of a problem getting it. Gudmar had 4 bottles at the evaluations and I bought what he had. I don't know if he has more in KY or not. I don't know what

Re: [IceHorses] SE - Tivar

2008-06-01 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Karen, The Icelandic lotion is absolutely wonderful for the already >>> itchy spots. I just bought 4 bottles to have on hand. If you want one >>> let me know. I should probably get one to have on hand. Susan at Saddle Up doesn't carry it any more, or does she...? Karen Thomas, N

[IceHorses] SE - Tivar

2008-06-01 Thread Docnshop2
Karen, The Icelandic lotion is absolutely wonderful for the already itchy spots. I just bought 4 bottles to have on hand. If you want one let me know. Renee **Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking w

Re: [IceHorses] SE-an insight

2008-06-01 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Exactly, but the key is to stall BEFORE they get that itchy. My very early, very preliminary theory is that a big factor is the personal mannerisms of the individual horse. Tivar is an extreme case of a horse that has to DO something when he's stressed. I don't think I've ever met anoth

Re: [IceHorses] SE-an insight

2008-06-01 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> so many say to stall a horse at the worst gnat hours, but if you stall a >>> horse, he has plenty to rub on! So once they are in rub mode, thats >>> like throwing brer rabbit in the briar patch... But i see now Teev was >>> attracting double gnats, which made his problem so much worse...

Re: [IceHorses] SE-an insight

2008-06-01 Thread Docnshop2
In a message dated 6/1/2008 10:51:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: many say to stall a horse at the worst gnat hours, but if you stall a horse, he has plenty to rub on Exactly, but the key is to stall BEFORE they get that itchy. Renee

Re: [IceHorses] SE-an insight

2008-06-01 Thread Mic Rushen
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:52:58 -0500, you wrote: >so many say to stall a horse at the worst gnat >hours, but if you stall a horse, he has plenty to rub on! Our itchy horses have a 20 x 12 field shelter, but I've got the entire thing lined with electric wire so they can't wreck themselves - or it - b

Re: [IceHorses] SE-an insight

2008-06-01 Thread Wanda Lauscher
2008/6/1 Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Do they work? Do you need electricity? > V Yes, you just need an extension cord. Wanda

Re: [IceHorses] SE-an insight

2008-06-01 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/1 Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > Get a zapper Janice and hang it out by the horses. > Do they work? Do you need electricity? V

Re: [IceHorses] SE-an insight

2008-06-01 Thread Wanda Lauscher
2008/6/1 Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is so obvious its a DUH moment... but now that Teev is gone and > I see just a normal amount of gnats swarming Trausti it is oh so > clear... once a horse rubs an open sore, it attracts gnats, which > causes them to rub more open sores, which a

[IceHorses] SE-an insight

2008-06-01 Thread Janice McDonald
This is so obvious its a DUH moment... but now that Teev is gone and I see just a normal amount of gnats swarming Trausti it is oh so clear... once a horse rubs an open sore, it attracts gnats, which causes them to rub more open sores, which attracts more gnats. I see now if I had an area with a

[IceHorses] SE

2008-05-31 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Ofeig doesn't have it. She was imported from Denmark. Is it only the >>> ones from Iceland that get it? Sue Coombes In the USA, the percentage of imported Icelandic's who eventually get sweet itch (SE, whatever you call it) seems to be about 60-80% if they live in known SE-risk zones. I

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season / BOSS

2008-05-30 Thread Laree Shulman
> Where do you get your BOSS? > At the farm and garden store - just be sure there are no additives - sometimes you will find that if you buy it at a place that sells a lot of bird seed. I think it is one of those things that you aren't going to see any appreciable difference just to look at them

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season / BOSS

2008-05-29 Thread Nancy Sturm
I'd love suggestions on specific weight loss programs people have used. Sadly, it's just like people: increased exercise and reduced caloric intake. We have had an unusually wet winter and spring here and the pasture grasses are just lush at the boarding faility where I keep Hunter and Tosc

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season / BOSS

2008-05-29 Thread Bia
> Black oil sunflower seeds, touted to be good for weight gain, improved > hair > coat and general health. We got ours at the local feed store. > Nancy thanks no, I think I will not feed sunflower seeds to any of mine! They are all heavy enough! I looked on the website for diet suggestion

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season / BOSS

2008-05-29 Thread Nancy Sturm
what is BOSS? Black oil sunflower seeds, touted to be good for weight gain, improved hair coat and general health. We got ours at the local feed store. In fact I still have about 20 lbs in a covered metal can in the feedroom. I fed BOSS to Hunter for over a year and could see absolutely

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season / BOSS

2008-05-29 Thread Bia
what is BOSS?

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season / BOSS

2008-05-29 Thread Judy Ryder
> have a nice coat that will resist the allergens by giving them a cup > of BOSS every day along with a balanced diet. I think we should add this to the SE page on the website. Where do you get your BOSS? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season

2008-05-29 Thread Laree Shulman
> He leaves this evening and my heart is broken. He turned out to be > just the best horse EVER. ever ever ever. I will always love my > Teev. Janice - I know this was very hard for you and I'm really sorry. Sometimes the right decision is the hardest -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season

2008-05-28 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Am I understanding this right? You sent Teev away because of SE? >> OMG--that would break my heart! > > well "sent him away" is not really the way it is, its more like if you > love something and its in a toxic envir

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season

2008-05-28 Thread Janice McDonald
> > Am I understanding this right? You sent Teev away because of SE? > OMG--that would break my heart! well "sent him away" is not really the way it is, its more like if you love something and its in a toxic environment, you need to let it go. Here we are 80-90-100 degrees from around april 1 wit

[IceHorses] SE Season

2008-05-28 Thread thyme3380
Oh, Janice! It must have been a very hard decision to make but bless you for thinking of Tivar first. Trish

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season

2008-05-28 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will always love my > Teev. Am I understanding this right? You sent Teev away because of SE? OMG--that would break my heart! I don't understand why there isn't something that can help get rid of SE! You'll never hav

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season

2008-05-28 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> He leaves this evening and my heart is broken. He turned out to be just >>> the best horse EVER. ever ever ever. I will always love my Teev. If ever there has been a well-matched pair, it's been Janice and Tivar. He was a different horse when I last saw him, October 2007, compared to wh

Re: [IceHorses] SE Season

2008-05-28 Thread Janice McDonald
I started off by sending mine back to live near you Laree, wry, bittersweet smile. I threw in the towel when my vet said he felt he was suffering and he looks as bad now as he did at the end of july last year even tho this year I was so proactive it wasnt even funny! He leaves this evening and my

[IceHorses] SE Season

2008-05-28 Thread Laree Shulman
So far, our Sweet Itch regimen seems to be working and it's a bad buggy season for us. I started off by trying to make sure the ponies have a nice coat that will resist the allergens by giving them a cup of BOSS every day along with a balanced diet. Since Doppa has SE, I started putting Equispot

[IceHorses] SE and SDS Icelandic lotion

2008-05-02 Thread Docnshop2
Does anyone know where to get the SDS lotion this year? The usual places (Saddle Up Tack and Dunn and Krumm) are no longer carrying it. Renee **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.

Re: [IceHorses] SE and sulphur

2008-04-27 Thread Docnshop2
I don't know. I can't seem to get mine to eat/lick it. Renee **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851)

Re: [IceHorses] SE and sulphur

2008-04-27 Thread Janice McDonald
is there a reason NOT to use sulphur blocks? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.

[IceHorses] SE and sulphur

2008-04-27 Thread Docnshop2
I have a friend who used to raise Arabians. Probable ten years ago who bought a RMH cross who had a lot of allergies to flies. He swears by the sulphur block also. The horse is doing great now with the block but whether it makes a difference - who knows. This gentleman is in his late 80

[IceHorses] SE and sulphur

2008-04-27 Thread Janice McDonald
a man who breeds RMHs told me last nite that he has a horse allergic to gnats and that he gives them a sulphur salt block and it helps keep the gnats off them entirely. Anyone ever hear of that?? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.

Re: [IceHorses] SE or Poultry mites?

2008-04-11 Thread Janice McDonald
oh my gosh, maybe why the "goat lice" medicine from the vet works better than traditional SE products, also, I KNOW I have poultry lice! Jaspar gets them in his ears! Oh wow, I am on a poultry lice mission now... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.

[IceHorses] SE or Poultry mites?

2008-04-11 Thread Anna Hopkins
Just read an article that made me think of Janice and Tivar. I decided to send to the list because I remember reading that a number of list members have chickens. It was an article in April issue of Equus, page 20. It talks about mites that are carried by chickens/poultry. A gelding living near

Re: [IceHorses] SE Blankets

2008-03-21 Thread Mic Rushen
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:30:41 -0300, you wrote: >And it would be the same to Canada? 'Fraid so. Cheapest post is about $60 if the parcel weighs more than 2kg. For the smaller rugs (0 - 4) which are less than 2 kg it's not so bad as I can now send them via the ordinary Post Office so it's around $

Re: [IceHorses] SE Blankets

2008-03-21 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:29:28 -0500, you wrote: > It's the postage to the US which is the killer. > And it would be the same to Canada? I don't need a SE blanket but it's always good to know where to buy one if I ever do. V

Re: [IceHorses] SE Blankets

2008-03-21 Thread Mic Rushen
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:29:28 -0500, you wrote: >i dont know if it is a real boett or just a knock off boett but it >looks like one. It's a knock-off. You can see all about them on www.solva-icelandics.co.uk/sweet1.htm For currency conversion, see www.xe.com It's the postage to the US which is

Re: [IceHorses] SE

2008-03-13 Thread Janice McDonald
my vet has me giving teev and nasi their shots one at a time instead of a three in one or whatever like that. But he said there is no alternative where I live. Its not like we COULD have west nile where I live, its like we HAVE west nile, many cases, every year, all around me. Janice -- even go

Re: [IceHorses] SE

2008-03-13 Thread Laree Shulman
> I wonder if they have gnats. Here is the url: > > No, Janice, they don't which is part of the problem with his theory. It also would be hard to get a good statistical base to work with because I don't think there are that many people outside of Iceland that don't vaccinate their horses - That

[IceHorses] SE

2008-03-13 Thread Janice McDonald
This guy says horses that are not vaccinated do not get SE. Does anyone have a non-vaccinated horse with SE? Maybe Malin? He says there is no SE in iceland because they dont have vaccinations there. I wonder if they have gnats. Here is the url: http://www.sidgustafson.com/disc.htm -- even goo

[IceHorses] SE - Janice

2007-03-12 Thread Docnshop2
Hello Janice, I do not really think that I have ever had a problem. One horse, Hlekkur, has occasionally had about a quarter size spot on his ventral line. I do not know for sure if this is eczema or not. I am not taking any chances! I am really committed to try to prevent this if at al

Re: [IceHorses] SE

2007-03-12 Thread Janice McDonald
On 3/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know about you guys but I am proactive in preventing summer eczema > in my 4 imports in NC. I started stabling at dawn and dusk today. (before > any > signs of a problem). I normally start when the time changes or when it has >

[IceHorses] SE

2007-03-11 Thread Docnshop2
I don't know about you guys but I am proactive in preventing summer eczema in my 4 imports in NC. I started stabling at dawn and dusk today. (before any signs of a problem). I normally start when the time changes or when it has been warm for several days in a row. It was 74 degrees here t

[IceHorses] SE

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
>From an equine dermitology lecture:Culicoides Hypersensitivity: p 10 < 2 yrs is usually age of onset sometimes yearlings, usually some time in first two years of life. or within two years of moving into an area "dorsal feeders" - mane and tail involvement "ventral feeders" - ventral midline der

RE: [IceHorses] SE Study

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
. In horses imported from Iceland, the inbreeding coefficient significantly influenced the prevalence of summer eczema. Wow - does that mean that it was more common in inbred horses? That wouldn't surprise me, but I'd never thought of that. I just don't like the idea of inbreeding, even if

[IceHorses] SE Study

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
SE Study, 2004: The objectives of the present study were to quantify the importance of systematic environmental and genetic influences on the prevalence and severity of summer eczema in Icelandic horses. In the context of this study, 490 Icelandic horses from 24 stud farms located in Lower Sax

[IceHorses] SE

2007-01-30 Thread Docnshop2
April through October is common here. If the weather is warm and wet start looking in March. Renee Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security

Re: [IceHorses] SE

2007-01-30 Thread Stephanie Caldwell
On 1/30/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow...long season. Time to get prepared...There's no way for me to > safely put fans at chest/tummy height as the bottom half of the stalls > are solid. And I wonder about the auto fly spray getting in their > water. I guess it's a matter

Re: [IceHorses] SE

2007-01-30 Thread pippa258
Stephanie Caldwell wrote: > On 1/30/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I'm going to be watching my import carefully this year. He lived in CA >> first so I hope that helps. Is cullicoide season in the summertime only? >> > > Trish, > > I've heard April - October in our area.

Re: [IceHorses] SE

2007-01-30 Thread Docnshop2
I stall at dawn and dusk and I have fans in front of each stall. We have an automatic fly spray system and I use flygone on them every morning. I usually stall them in the summer an hour before dusk. I watch them closely for any lesions. Hlekkur has developed a quarter size spot on his

Re: [IceHorses] SE

2007-01-30 Thread Stephanie Caldwell
On 1/30/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm going to be watching my import carefully this year. He lived in CA > first so I hope that helps. Is cullicoide season in the summertime only? Trish, I've heard April - October in our area. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "

Re: [IceHorses] SE

2007-01-30 Thread pippa258
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, I have 4 imports in N.C. I watch them like a hawk in the summer. I am > definitely proactive in trying to prevent SE. So far so good but it does > take a lot of work and dedication. By proactive, do you mean you watch to see if any itching/sores develop? Or do

[IceHorses] SE

2007-01-30 Thread Docnshop2
Yes, I have 4 imports in N.C. I watch them like a hawk in the summer. I am definitely proactive in trying to prevent SE. So far so good but it does take a lot of work and dedication. Renee _