Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 9:46 PM, Jasbir Khehra wrote: > Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> On 30-Jun-08, at 6:05 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: > [snip] >> >> software is knowledge. Knowledge cannot be bought or sold. It can >> only be shared. >> > Bought any books lately? yes - bough

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 9:42 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: >> >> software is knowledge. Knowledge cannot be bought or sold. It can >> only be shared. >> > > And you would gladly "share" for a neat sum of money? > > In the Gurukul system, knowledge was gladly shared for next to > nothing. If I have

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Jasbir Khehra
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:41:22 +0530 Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 30-Jun-08, at 6:05 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: [snip] > > software is knowledge. Knowledge cannot be bought or sold. It can > only be shared. > Bought any books lately? _

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
+++ Kenneth Gonsalves [30/06/08 20:41 +0530]: > >software is knowledge. Knowledge cannot be bought or sold. It can >only be shared. > And you would gladly "share" for a neat sum of money? In the Gurukul system, knowledge was gladly shared for next to nothing. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 6:10 PM, Anand Shankar wrote: > I believe the two are FOSS. And as per the GoI contract document, it > is VAT instead of Service Tax!! If you were to interpret > more closely , it means most Government Departments are > ending up buying FOSS, and that too as a Proprietary Softwa

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 6:05 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: >> >> I would tend to the opinion that sale of any software, let alone FOSS >> is illegal, immoral and an act of cheating - the only point is, that >> the courts have to recognise this. >> > > According to all FOSS licences, the software itself

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Anand Shankar
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > question is: when you 'sell' FOSS do you charge VAT or do you charge > service tax. We recently 'bought' a FOSS package for 3 lakhs. We were > charged service tax to the tune of 36,000. If we had 'bought' a > proprieta

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
+++ Kenneth Gonsalves [30/06/08 14:11 +0530]: > >I would tend to the opinion that sale of any software, let alone FOSS >is illegal, immoral and an act of cheating - the only point is, that >the courts have to recognise this. > According to all FOSS licences, the software itself need not be ava

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 3:39 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: > If someone wants to buy a FOSS package it is perfectly legal and, IMO, > moral to sell it to her. After all, the package remains doesn't > become > proprietary by the mere fact of sale -- it remains FOSS. question is: when you 'sell' FOSS do you c

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 3:49 PM, Dinesh Shah wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <> wrote: >> ultimately law is made by the supreme court. There is no such thing >> as 'settled law', laws are always subject to change - just needs a >> larger bench of the supreme court to do so. A

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Dinesh Shah
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <> wrote: > ultimately law is made by the supreme court. There is no such thing > as 'settled law', laws are always subject to change - just needs a > larger bench of the supreme court to do so. And when the court looks > at any law, they look at t

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Raj Mathur
On Monday 30 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On 29-Jun-08, at 7:44 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: > [snip] > > Some licences like the GPL force you to provide source code for a > > nominal fee along with binaries at the user's request; > > I thought all OSI licenses force you to do this Once again, yo

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 29-Jun-08, at 7:44 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: >> and when you finally find a buyer for that bridge across the Yamuna >> don't forget to add octroi and VAT > > If you don't believe me, I'd suggest you get some competent lawyer to > read the various licences at opensource.org and explain to you how