Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

On 2007-10-16, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does Ion have a facility to start tracing which commands are > executed most frequently ... does it make sense if not? (If you > use your own notebooks/desktops most of the time, or exclusively, > you could perhaps remap more conveniently--depen

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

> *instructions statistic*, RISC's like, has been done Apropos; I am using maildir's and maildrop, and need to do the same with maildrop: some statistics for discovering from whose mail-lists I receive mails a day the most, so to be able to better arrange my entries in maildropfilter's maildir (mo

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

On 2007-10-15, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am using the V270 since a few months, and it is the best > *mouse* I have used ever. (I am not saying that there can't be > better mice around.) > > Wirth prefers mice with three buttons. I like ones with two ... I go with the good old 3-butt

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

On "pantographs," continued: I am using a Logitech V270 cordless optical mouse for bluetooth. It weights 323 g [2x AA batteries inclusive!, thank you very much]. A [manufacturer's description--but agreed:] 1000-dpi optical sensor offers incredibly smooth, precise tracking for maximum productivity

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-15 15:16 -0400, Etan Reisner wrote: > When the scratchpad is open is there a way to get the 'active' frame of > the underlying workspace? Yes, but you'd have to duplicate a lot of code in a Lua script. A C module would have access to region_prepare_manage etc. -- Tuomo

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 10:42:28AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-10-10, Etan Reisner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a specific type of launcher you are thinking about? Random > > floating icons? A toolbar full of icons? Something else? Is there > > something specific you want to l

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

On 2007-10-14, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Moreover. I am using an optical [laser] mouse. Cordless > {Bluetooth] by surplus. With VERY little *mechanics* in it > [e.g., the lid to access the 2x AA batteries]. :) I prefer mechanical mice over the optical crap that starts bouncing the cur

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

> It's a mechanical device for changing the size of a drawing or > so by moving one pointer on a source image and another with a > pencil on a target paper. Obviously, especially if the linkages > are a bit worn down, it's rather cumbersome to point to a > specific point in the target by moving ju

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

On 2007-10-13, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, "pantographs" recall--for me at least--enough of, if not a > lot of ... *space*: were you not suggesting the roomy shifting of > a parallelogram? It's a mechanical device for changing the size of a drawing or so by moving one pointer on

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

> You mean there are more than one? By author even. On *la tentation de saint Antoine* [not his most *known* work], Flaubert should have said: --"C'est l'oeuvre de toute ma vie."-- (You can trust him.) Paint. Not necessarily. I use Elvis, an 80/20 of Vim at 1/2-1/3 of the size. I don't see why I

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

On 2007-10-13, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What to say? "Teddy" [Adorno] tells that every and each > masterpiece is the *mortal* enemy of the other one. You mean there are more than one? > Besides: no one is saying that you couldn't longer type tabs, why > make it an aut aut? That's

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

> This is the Acme/P9 interface [...] and it's just > utter and total crap on a typical horizontal-controls- > and-vertical-screen computer, "utter and total crap," hmm. Bah, I will let it to you. A VERY knowledgeable guy (you certainly knows who he is) has (among other things) designed a VERY n

Re: Oberon/Acme/etc. mouse heavy interfaces [Was: Re: Life, universe, and ION3]

On 2007-10-13, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice would be somethings like *tools* ... as in Oberon^1. > > Reference is: The Oberon System^2 > > [C]ommands are entered into a text *viewer* and then > executed with the mouse. It is therefore quite natural to

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

> I'm really using, and not significantly faster than a Run: > dialog (mod1-F3 in the default bindings). Nice would be somethings like *tools* ... as in Oberon^1. Reference is: The Oberon System^2 [C]ommands are entered into a text *viewer* and then executed with the mouse. It is ther

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-10, Etan Reisner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a specific type of launcher you are thinking about? Random > floating icons? A toolbar full of icons? Something else? Is there > something specific you want to launch with that? Would a popup or query > menu of the specific applicati

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 03:07:26PM +0200, ,,, wrote: > Icon based, floating style application launcher. What do you mean here exactly? Just a launcher that uses icons? There are any number of applications that give you a bar of icons that can be customized to launch applications of your choice, i

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 12:38:54PM +0200, Sylvain Abélard wrote: > > GUI based configuration tool for the keybindings. > > Support for alternate keybindings. > > I don't think there are many users out there still using the default > keybindings. > This encourages people to look at cfg_bindings.lua

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-09, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Incidentally, and to get an idea of the *gravity* the situation: > compare with ... Egypt and Greece, say, of the past. > > Were they not--ironically--more *artistically advanced* [read: > provided with a more vivid imagination] still than ...

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

> Yep. . And at: http://www.niallmoody.com/twindy/screenshots.htm there are screenshots to be seen. Twindy may, or may not ... I ignore, be good. On the other hand, the screenshots show without pity icons whose substance grade and themes range from authentic *A

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 15:07 +0200, ,,, wrote: > Hi all! > > > Some week ago i read about ION window-manager at the Hungarian Unix > Portal. Due, I'm an engineering monkey, and i really hates wasting my time > playing with the windows locations, i > thought the tiling wm would be a good thing f

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

There actually was some interesting attempt to create a very kiosky WM, but it's been abandoned, and I can't remember its name. Twindy?

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-09 18:54 +0200, csant wrote: > Twindy? Yep. . -- Tuomo

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-09, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it a sardonic, or a "WC graffiti"-style (to borrow from your > post) :) like answer? If yes, then you can stop reading, false > alarm. No, it's semi-serious. But I guess this kind of stuff doesn't really belong in the WM itself. And, indeed,

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-09 14:47 +0100, Sam Mason wrote: > I hope the "inferior minds" comment below was intended as a joke -- Not really. Not everyone is up to the task of designing a programming language, and certainly not a beautiful and useful one (certainly not the C++ designers!), whereas it is comparati

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

> > Icon based, floating style application launcher. > Yuck. Well, for a touch screen kiosk sort of thing, a sort of > sidebar application launcher could be nice... Is it a sardonic, or a "WC graffiti"-style (to borrow from your post) :) like answer? If yes, then you can stop reading, false alar

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-09, Sylvain Abélard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But F# and the recent DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime) looks really sexy ! Many languages themselves aren't that bad (Nemerle is another interesting DotNet language), but the libraries and library frameworks around them, designed by infer

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 10/9/07, Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2007-10-09, Sylvain Abélard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Provided you bear with monoculture and software locks, why not. > Sounds like where FOSS is heading. You don't find heroic Tuomo Valkonen's making your Windows usable. Yet. > DotN

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-09, Sylvain Abélard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Provided you bear with monoculture and software locks, why not. Sounds like where FOSS is heading. > DotNet begins to show many cool stuff for developers, > but still the intended user is expected to be another brainless WIMP-tard. DotN

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 10/9/07, Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2007-10-09, Sylvain Abélard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry if my advice seems outdated, I've been Windows-imprisoned for a long > > time. > At least there's _still_ that choice to the OSDL-sponsored hegemony. > (I'm beginning to thi

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-09, Sylvain Abélard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry if my advice seems outdated, I've been Windows-imprisoned for a long > time. At least there's _still_ that choice to the OSDL-sponsored hegemony. (I'm beginning to think OSDL and its member companies are more harmful to software ch

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

On 2007-10-09, ,,, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also i have some ideas and thoughts, which i compiled to kind of > whistlist. Most is not a basic wm feature, but it would be nice in a > tabbed, tiling wm. Maybe some of these already developed, but spending 13 > hours with the soldering iron, and 3

Re: Life, universe, and ION3

> Requested features: Tuomo said he wouldn't develop new features and focuses on the last stable ion version. > Policy settings for the new window creation. This is done using winprops in cfg_kludges.lua. I think the main distribution includes some kludges samples. > Auto size adjust for the fixe

Life, universe, and ION3

Hi all! Some week ago i read about ION window-manager at the Hungarian Unix Portal. Due, I'm an engineering monkey, and i really hates wasting my time playing with the windows locations, i thought the tiling wm would be a good thing for me. So, i pulled down the ION2 from the Debian resposito