Request to Advance IP Forwarding Table MIB

2003-09-10 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
ready for IETF last call. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman IPv6 Working Group Chairs IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive: ftp

Update on Moving the IPng List

2003-09-10 Thread Bob Hinden
. Announcements will also be sent to the old list before it is disabled and to the new list. We also wanted to thank every one who volunteered to help manage the list. We received more responses that were needed. You will hear back directly with more information in a day or two. Thanks, Bob Hinden

Request to Advance Requirements for IPv6 prefix delegation

2003-08-26 Thread Bob Hinden
: draft-ietf-ipv6-prefix-delegation-requirement-03.txt Pages : 7 Date: 2003-8-25 A working group last call for this document was completed on 14 July 2003. This draft resolves issues raised during the last call. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman IPv6

Request to Advance IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-08-26 Thread Bob Hinden
-requirements-05.txt Pages : 19 Date: 2003-8-25 A working group last call for this document was completed on 15 July 2003. This draft resolves issues raised during the last call. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman IPv6 Working Group Chairs

Moving the ipng mailing list

2003-08-20 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
or change it to ipv6 to be consistent with the current name of the working group. Please let the chairs know if you have a strong preference one way or the other. More news later as the details get worked out. Thanks, Bob Hinden and Margaret Wasserman IPv6 w.g. chairs

Re: IPv6 Link-Local Use Issue for Applications

2003-08-19 Thread Bob Hinden
Mark, b) There have been cases where manufacturers have allocated non-unique MAC addresses. What is worse is that these duplications have apparently tended to happen within the same batch of NICs, and have been encountered when somebody goes to deploy a group of say 20 new NICs they have just

Re: Fourth alternative [was Re: Moving forward ....]

2003-08-19 Thread Bob Hinden
Erik, At 07:02 AM 8/19/2003, Erik Nordmark wrote: I didn't know there were such side effects associated with accepting that as a WG document. My assumption was that it was a fine thing to work on possible replacements and to understand the cost/benefit tradeoffs of such replacements. But

Re: Moving forward on Site-Local and Local Addressing

2003-08-19 Thread Bob Hinden
Patrik, The more it is for the end-user and basic administrator (and application) just more bits, the better. YES! From the users perspective, the only difference should be that they get to run new cool applications that were not available to them previously (due to IPv4's limitations, NATs,

RE: Moving forward on Site-Local and Local Addressing

2003-08-14 Thread Bob Hinden
Jim, At 07:18 AM 8/9/2003, Bound, Jim wrote: We now have a combined local addressing requirements document draft-hain-templin-ipv6-limitedrange-00.txt, a specific alternative to site-local addresses draft draft-hinden-ipv6-global-local-addr-02.txt (accepted as a working group item at the

Re: Moving forward on Site-Local and Local Addressing

2003-08-10 Thread Bob Hinden
Thanks to everyone who has responded with a preference so far. Please keep them coming. To make it a little easier to keep track of the results, please only use the above subject for direct responses. Move discussions to other Subjects. Thanks, Bob

Re: Appel due to management of the site-local issue

2003-08-06 Thread Bob Hinden
Leif, You didn't address this to me, but I feel obligated to answer. The questions I have asked the working group in the email Moving forward on Site-Local and Local Addressing was to ascertain the manner in which the working group wanted the deprecation of site-local was to happen. The

RE: Fourth alternative [was Re: Moving forward ....]

2003-08-05 Thread Bob Hinden
Christian, It is possible to write sufficient restrictions and avoid both the drift towards announcing /48 in the DMZ and using the unique local addresses in a NATv6 configuration. The requirement is that the site local replacement be special. We can for example request that backbone routers

Draft Minutes from Vienna IETF

2003-08-01 Thread Bob Hinden
The draft minutes from the IPv6 working group sessions at the Vienna IETF are attached. Please review and send us comments and corrections. Thanks, Bob Hinden Margaret WassermanIPv6 WG Minutes July 14 17, 2003 IETF57 -- Vienna, Austria = CHAIRS: Bob Hinden [EMAIL

Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-hinden-ipv6-global-local-addr-02.txt

2003-07-03 Thread Bob Hinden
The significant (non-editorial) change in this version of the draft was changing the title and name of addresses to Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses with abbreviation of Local IPv6 addresses. The authors believe this is a more accurate description and makes the document read better. Bob

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 Node Information Queries

2003-07-02 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will end on 16 July 2003. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on Management Information Base for the Internet Protocol

2003-07-02 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
-ietf-ipv6-rfc2011-update-03.txt Pages : 114 Date: 2003-7-2 Please send substantive comments to the ipng mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the author. This last call period will end on 16 July 2003. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on Management Information Base for the TCP

2003-07-02 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
: draft-ietf-ipv6-rfc2012-update-03.txt Pages : 25 Date: 2003-6-26 Please send substantive comments to the ipng mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will end on 16 July 2003. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-07-01 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
Date: 2003-6-30 Please send substantive comments to the ipng mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will end on 15 July 2003. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman IETF

Re: IPv6 Address validation

2003-06-23 Thread Bob Hinden
Tatuya-san, 1. The preferred form is x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x, where the 'x's are the hexadecimal values of the eight 16-bit pieces of the address. Some people interpret 01234 as a 16-bit piece, and others do not. If we can only refer to this text, I don't think we can go further. I don't think

Re: Document Action: IPv6 Global Unicast Address Format to Informational

2003-06-19 Thread Bob Hinden
Margaret, I just submitted it. Bob At 09:52 AM 6/19/2003, Margaret Wasserman wrote: At 12:46 PM 6/19/2003 -0400, Thomas Narten wrote: Is this OK with everyone? If so, we either need to reissue the document or ask for an RFC editor note. I can go either way. If it is okay with everyone, let's

test, please ignore

2003-06-15 Thread Bob Hinden
1 2 3 4 IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive: ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng Direct all administrative requests to [EMAIL

Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-hinden-ipv6-global-local-addr-01.txt

2003-06-13 Thread Bob Hinden
FYI. Changes include: o Added section on scope definition and updated application requirement section. o Clarified that, by default, the scope of these addresses is global. o Renumbered sections and general text improvements o Removed reserved global ID

Re: null-routed aggregated global unicast (was: another view of fc00::/7)

2003-06-12 Thread Bob Hinden
Pekka, Good points. With current RIR rules, *no* ISP can give an absolute guarantee that it's prefix couldn't, at one point, be pulled off. That is consistent with my understanding of the RIR policies. I think they go to some length to make it clear that the prefixes allocated to an ISP are

Re: null-routed aggregated global unicast (was: another view of fc00::/7)

2003-06-11 Thread Bob Hinden
jj, At 09:04 AM 6/10/2003, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: Earlier, I suggested that an ISP could delegate addresses out of its existing aggregated, global unicast address block for free without providing connectivity. Having seen all of the email on this subject, I believe that such an ISP could

RE: Status of draft-hinden-ipv6-global-local-addr-00.txt

2003-06-06 Thread Bob Hinden
Christian, Isn't that cool? We had this discussion before. In the spring of 1997, as a matter of fact. And the suggestion then was: Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:25:42 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Huitema) Subject: (IPng 3627) Re: W.G. Last Call on Advanced Sockets API for In

FEC0::/10 vs. FC00::/7

2003-06-06 Thread Bob Hinden
I still have a small preference preference for using FC00::/7 for the globally unique local addresses due to the larger global ID, instead of reusing the FEC0::/10 prefix. But either would work. I think one element in the choice comes down to deciding if we want the default scope of these

Re: Status of draft-hinden-ipv6-global-local-addr-00.txt

2003-06-05 Thread Bob Hinden
KRE, Hence, I see no real reason at all to stray from FEC0::/10 - and lots of reasons to remain in that space. I think you are suggesting that the draft be changed to reuse the FEC0::/10 space with a resulting 38-bit global ID. This would allow for 274,877,906,944 prefixes, or 30 per person in

Status of draft-hinden-ipv6-global-local-addr-00.txt

2003-06-03 Thread Bob Hinden
[My opinions as document author] Overall I believe there is general agreement that this type of address is an improvement over site-local because the prefixes are unique. Below is my summary of conclusions reached and open issues raised on the mailing list. 1) A global-ID of 41 bits is a

Re: Misusing registries for uniqueness

2003-05-31 Thread Bob Hinden
I don't follow this. It seems to me that there are two points on the allocation spectrum that are useful. At one end there is a central registry for organizations that are willing to pay something and want some higher assurance of uniqueness (and a way to reconcile disputes). At the other

Re: Draft on Globally Unique IPv6 Local Unicast Addresses

2003-05-27 Thread Bob Hinden
Brian, At 04:22 AM 5/27/2003, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Now, as a pragmatist, I would probably settle for a pseudo-random and probably-unique /48, but not everybody will. I can just imagine a phone call in which I recommend to IBM's chief network architect to use address space that *probably*

Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-28 Thread Bob Hinden
Draft IPv6 working group minutes from the San Francisco IETF are attached. Please review and send comments. Thanks, BobIPv6 Working Group (ipv6) Agenda IETF 56, San Francisco CHAIRS: Bob Hinden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Margaret Wasserman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minutes notes taken

Re: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-28 Thread Bob Hinden
Sorry, the subject should have been Draft IPv6 Minutes from the San Francisco IETF. The minutes are OK. Bob At 01:05 PM 3/28/2003, Bob Hinden wrote: Draft IPv6 working group minutes from the San Francisco IETF are attached. Please review and send comments. Thanks, Bob

Draft IPv6 working group charter

2003-03-05 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
Attached is a copy of the charter we sent to the Internet ADs. Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6) Working Group Charter -- DRAFT Chairs: Bob Hinden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Margaret Wasserman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description of the Working Group: The IPv6 working group

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 Flow Label Specification

2003-03-04 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
working group last call is desirable to verify the consensus before forwarding the document to the IESG. Please send substantive comments to the ipng mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will end on 11 March 2003. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unicast-aggr-v2-02.txt

2003-03-04 Thread Bob Hinden
I think the new draft resolves issues raised during the last call. Changes to the document include: - Generalize the scope of the document to cover more than the 2000::/3 prefix. This includes changing the title and introduction text. - Added a new section that describes in more detail

DRAFT: Agenda Announcement

2003-03-03 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
documents and last to status reports. Thanks, Bob Hinden and Margaret Wasserman IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive: ftp

Follow up to IAB response to Robert Elz's Appeal

2003-02-28 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
Thomas, Erik, The chairs belive that based on the email on the mailing list there is a consensus in the IPv6 working group to publish the IPv6 Addressing Architecture (draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt) as a Proposed Standard as recommended below. Bob Hinden and Margaret Wasserman IPv6

Request to Advance Flexible Method for Managing the Assignment of Bits of an IPv6 Address Block

2003-02-27 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
Author(s) : M. Blanchet Filename: draft-ietf-ipv6-ipaddressassign-06.txt Pages : 8 Date: 2003-1-6 A working group last call for this document was completed on January 30, 2003. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman IPv6 Working Group Chairs

Follow up to IAB response to Robert Elz's Appeal

2003-02-25 Thread Bob Hinden
that can be done relatively quickly. Does this approach make sense to the WG? Bob Hinden, Margaret Wasserman; IPv6 Chairs Thomas Narten, Erik Nordmark; Internet ADs [1] IAB, Re: Appeal against IESG decision, http://www.iab.org/Appeals/kre-ipng-address-arch-draft-standard-response.html

Re: M O Bits was: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-01.txt

2003-02-21 Thread Bob Hinden
I still do not (yet) see the need for further clarifications in the documents (and certainly not in node requirements, for the level of detail we're talking about here). My view as well. Bob IETF IPng Working Group Mailing

Re: IPv6 WG Last Call on IPv6 Global Unicast Address Format for the 2000::/3 Prefix

2003-02-13 Thread Bob Hinden
Erik, Care to suggest some text? RFC 2374 contained an IPv6 allocation structure that included TLA (Top Level Aggregator) and NLA (Next Level Aggregator) which is formally made historic by this document. The TLA/NLA scheme has been replaced by an coordinated

Re: IPv6 WG Last Call on IPv6 Global Unicast Address Format for the 2000::/3 Prefix

2003-02-12 Thread Bob Hinden
Erik, At 09:05 AM 2/12/2003, Erik Nordmark wrote: I agree with Michel. Although Thomas is logically correct, I think that including section 2.0 and putting this on standards track is a necessary signal to ensure that TLAs are really understood to be dead. I too agree with this view. I

RE: M O Bits was: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-01.txt

2003-02-12 Thread Bob Hinden
I agree with this and think that a MUST for stateless and MAY for DHCP is fine. Bob (with no hats on) We had a conclusive discussion off this point during the interim WG meeting in Sunnyvale. The reasoning goes as follow: if we want to maximize interoperability, we want to have a single

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unicast-aggr-v2-01.txt

2003-02-07 Thread Bob Hinden
I have made a request (as the author) to the other co-chair to start a w.g. last call. Bob At 04:23 AM 2/7/2003, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Pekka Savola wrote: On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Michel Py wrote: I say, ship it. Agree. I say, WG Last Call it right away, so that it can be with the IESG

Documentation Prefix

2003-02-03 Thread Bob Hinden
Patrick Grossetete just pointed out to me that there is already a prefix allocated (by APNIC) for documentation. It is: 2001:0DB8::/32 For more details see: http://www.apnic.org/info/faq/ipv6-documentation-prefix-faq.html#3 Since I don't think we need two, I will remove the one I proposed

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unicast-aggr-v2-00.txt

2003-01-31 Thread Bob Hinden
Pekka, draft-ietf-ipv6-unicast-aggr-v2-00.txt == how did the first draft suddently jump to a w.g. document? I don't recall this question being raised, unless it was years ago (or I've missed something). Not that I disagree with (most of) the contents, but some parts at least seem to be

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unicast-aggr-v2-00.txt

2003-01-31 Thread Bob Hinden
I will agree with Alain that a reserved prefix for documentation is good. But, I don't understand why '2000:0001::/32 was chosen instead of '2000:::/32'. Can someone speak to this? The tradition that I learned from John Postel of always reserving the beginning and end of any address space

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unicast-aggr-v2-00.txt

2003-01-31 Thread Bob Hinden
Pekka, Thanks. Oh, btw, in the references too. At least I was consistent :-) It seemed to me like a convenient place to do it as this was defining the 2000::/3 prefix. It could be done elsewhere, but hopefully this draft can get through the process quickly. Well, if one believes this

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on A Flexible Method for Managing the Assignment of Bytes of an IPv6 Address Block

2003-01-16 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
-06.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2003-1-6 Please send substantive comments to the ipng mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will on January 30, 2003. Bob Hinden / Margaret Wasserman IETF

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IP Forwarding Table MIB

2003-01-16 Thread Bob Hinden
to the ipng mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the document editor. This last call period will end on January 30, 2003. Bob Hinden IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http

Re: Moderate Site-Local Usage Draft

2003-01-01 Thread Bob Hinden
Hiroki, The motivation for this use case is to restrict the use of site-local addresses to communication inside of the site and insure that they are less likely to be used for any site to site communication. I cannot understand what this sentence means. I believe that any site-to-site

Moderate Site-Local Usage Draft

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Hinden
I submitted a draft on the moderate use case for IPv6 site-local addresses. Since the ID folks are on vacation until January 6, 2003, you can find a copy at: http://playground.sun.com/ipng/doc/draft-hinden-ipv6-sl-moderate-00.txt Comments appreciated. Thanks and Happy New Year! Bob

Re: draft-hinden-ipv6-global-site-local-00.txt

2002-12-13 Thread Bob Hinden
Keith, operationally I think it would be a mess to have site-locals routed differently within a site than globals. it's not that you can't do it, it's that it makes life more difficult, and GUPIs seem to be a better way to solve the same problem. I am not sure there is that much difference.

Re: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-12 Thread Bob Hinden
Bill, demand. So the near-term, pragmatic tactic seems to be for us small users to vote w/ our pocketbooks and support the regional/local ISPs that support IPv6 to local exchanges. I think the expression is think globally, act locally. Don't wait for someone else to do it. Bob

Re: draft-hinden-ipv6-global-site-local-00.txt

2002-12-12 Thread Bob Hinden
Mark, At 05:54 PM 12/9/2002, Mark Smith wrote: Hi Bob, A few thoughts / questions / comments on your draft : 3.0 Proposal 3.1 Global Token * 8 bit areas I'm curious as to why you chose to allocate 8 bits for the area. Allocating 6 bits for area would allow aggregation to take place on the

Re: Enforcing unreachability of site local addresses

2002-12-12 Thread Bob Hinden
Margaret, In my opinion, the only way that we will stop people from using NAT (with or without IPv6 site-local addresses) will be to provider better (architecturally cleaner, more convenient, more functional) mechanisms for people to get the same benefits that they get from NATs today. Although

Re: unique enough [RE: globally unique site local addresses]

2002-12-12 Thread Bob Hinden
Keith, I think your points on both topics are well taken. I also have the notion that the current approach of combining the locator and identifier in IPv4 and IPv6 has a lot of value that we tend to take for granted. It provides a degree of authentication that requires lots of cryptographic

Re: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread Bob Hinden
James, At 10:21 AM 12/11/2002, James Kempf wrote: I'm in the process of upgrading my home computing infrastructure in order to be able to use IPv6. Does anybody know a retail ISP in the US that provides IPv6 service (specifically, in the SF Bay Area)? I did a quick Google search and all the

I-D ACTION:draft-hinden-ipv6-global-site-local-00.txt

2002-12-09 Thread by way of Bob Hinden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : IPv6 Globally Unique Site-Local Addresses Author(s) : R. Hinden Filename : draft-hinden-ipv6-global-site-local-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2002-12-6 This internet draft describes a proposal for IPv6

Re: draft-hinden-ipv6-global-site-local-00.txt

2002-12-09 Thread Bob Hinden
Alain, At 02:10 PM 12/9/2002, Alain Durand wrote: This proposal is making the assumption that MAC addreses are somehow stable. I think this is a bad idea. MAC addresses are stable. What may not be stable is their life in on an interface in a specific machine. The words in the draft are:

Re: Enforcing unreachability of site local addresses

2002-12-02 Thread Bob Hinden
Margaret, Bob, are you or anyone else working to document the moderate usage proposal? Yes, I am working on a moderate usage draft. Bob IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page:

Re: EUI-48 globally unique site-locals (GUSL)

2002-12-01 Thread Bob Hinden
Aidan, For each link, a router may automatically assign a site-local address from an EUI-48 (ie a MAC address) using the following address format: | 12 bits | 48 bits | 4 bits | 64 bits| +-+--+--+--+ | fef

ATTENTION: Use of the ipng mailing list

2002-11-27 Thread Bob Hinden Margaret Wasserman
more useful and productive for the entire WG, and your voluntary cooperation is appreciated. If excessive behavior continues, we will contact individuals privately to discuss the problems and how to correct them. Thanks, Margaret Wasserman Bob Hinden IPv6 WG Chairs

Proposed IPv6 W.G. Charter Update

2002-11-18 Thread Bob Hinden
Attached is a proposed update to the IPv6 working group charter. This will be discussed at the IPv6 session tonight at IETF55 and on the mailing list. Please comment on the list and at tonights session. Bob Hinden and Margaret Wasserman IPv6 chairsInternet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6) Working

Re: Summary Re: Proposal for site-local clean-up

2002-11-13 Thread Bob Hinden
Brian, I don't think it is wise to ask the IESG to reconsider the address architecture (this is more than an editorial change to the RFC-editor). I also think the issues regarding the usage of site-local are more complicated that can be expressed in a paragraph. I don't think we will get a

A few comments on Site-Local Useage

2002-11-04 Thread Bob Hinden
[Working group chair hat off] A few comments on the Site-Local discussion that I did not see getting discussed or proposed. There was a reference made to networking airplanes somewhere in this thread. If my memory is correct, the airplane industry did select an open standard for airlines.

Atlanta IETF IPv6 Agenda Planning

2002-11-04 Thread Bob Hinden
preference to current working group documents and last to status reports. Thanks, Bob Hinden and Margaret Wasserman IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 Flow Label Specification

2002-10-16 Thread Bob Hinden
-03.txt Pages : 7 Date: 2002-9-11 Please send substantive comments to the ipng mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. The w.g. last call will end on 30 October, 2002. Bob Hinden / Steve Deering / Margaret Wasserman

Comments on IPv6 Flow Label Last Call

2002-10-16 Thread Bob Hinden
values requested via a signaling mechanisms conflict with existing flow label values. - Security considerations need to discuss the impact of labeling flows of encrypted traffic. The chairs would like to see these issues discussed by the working group in the last call. Bob Hinden, Steve

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on Well known site local unicast addresses for DNS resolver

2002-10-11 Thread Bob Hinden
.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2002-9-19 Please send substantive comments to the ipng mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will on 25 October, 2002. Bob Hinden / Steve Deering / Margaret Wasserman

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-11 Thread Bob Hinden
At 10:01 AM 10/11/2002, Margaret Wasserman wrote: At 02:25 PM 10/10/02, Robert Elz wrote: So would I. The change I would make is to delete all references of subnet-local from the addr-arch doc, and simply leave those values as to be defined and then define them in the scoping-arch doc. This

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-11 Thread Bob Hinden
Brian, I think this goes to far. We have recently had a long discussion on the list regarding unicast site-local that concluded with keeping the definition of unicast site-local addresses in the document (see my email on 21 Jun 2002, titled Consensus on Site-Local Discussion). Part of that

Re: IPv6 protocol usage

2002-09-19 Thread Bob Hinden
Guru, There is an implementation page at http://playground.sun.com/ipv6 It not completely up to date, but should get you started. Bob At 07:33 AM 9/19/2002, Guru yeleswarapu wrote: Hi, We are a chip company and looking at embedding ipv6 into our chip. We are looking at the need of doing

Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-09.txt

2002-09-12 Thread Bob Hinden
To resolve this issue, I propose the following text for section 2.2 (changed line indicated by | ): 2. Due to some methods of allocating certain styles of IPv6 addresses, it will be common for addresses to contain long strings of zero bits. In order to make writing addresses

Consensus on IPv6 Addressing Architecture

2002-08-27 Thread Bob Hinden
in Appendix A to make the text consistent with the interface identifier uniqueness change. The IPv6 working group chairs believe there is a consensus to advance this document to Draft Standard and plan to notify the Internet ADs accordingly. Bob Hinden, Steve Deering, Margaret Wasserman

RE: Changes to IPv6 Addressing Architecture Draft

2002-08-12 Thread Bob Hinden
Julian, Thanks for catching this. I will fix this before publishing a new ID. Bob At 02:31 PM 8/12/2002, Sellers, Julian P wrote: Bob Hinden wrote: Change to second sentence in the first paragraph of section 2.5.1: Interface identifiers in IPv6 unicast addresses are used to identify

Changes to IPv6 Addressing Architecture Draft

2002-08-09 Thread Bob Hinden
At the IPv6 working group sessions at the Yokohama IETF two changes to the IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture draft draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-08.txt were discussed. These changes were proposed based on feedback received from our area director and email discussion on the mailing

Re: AD comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-router-selection-02.txt

2002-08-02 Thread Bob Hinden
we might have the following choices (I can't think of other combinations that make sense to me): 1. all are optional 2. load sharing is mandatory; others are optional 3. load sharing and router preferences are mandatory; more specific is optional 4. all are mandatory The current proposal is

RE: AD comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-router-selection-02.txt

2002-07-31 Thread Bob Hinden
Rich, draft-ietf-ipv6-host-load-sharing-00.txt with router-selection. If I understand the intent, I believe it is a mistake to merge the two documents. It would be better to keep all mandatory changes to the ND spec in a way that they are clearly identifiable. Burying mandatory

RE: AD comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-router-selection-02.txt

2002-07-31 Thread Bob Hinden
Rich, My recommendation is to publish them separately. This will require some small changes in the default router selection document (keeping the load sharing, but changing the mandatory/optional text). I don't quite understand. Are you saying keep the load-sharing section in the

Informal Session on IPv6 in Japan

2002-07-16 Thread Bob Hinden
, thermometers, network appliances, etc. I think it should be a fun presentation. It will be held in the lunch break between the two IPv6 working group sessions: Thursday, July 18th, 1145-12:45 (Room 301/302) Suggest that you may be able to arrange a box lunch through your hotel. Bob Hinden

Re: Informal Session on IPv6 in Japan

2002-07-16 Thread Bob Hinden
I will try to get the slides and put them on playground.sun.com after the session. Bob At 09:04 PM 7/16/2002, jaganbabu rajamanickam wrote: Hi Bob, If you send the IPV6 App presention link (if any) which you have mensioned below then it would be great. Thanx Jags

Re: IPv6 Flow Label Specification

2002-07-10 Thread Bob Hinden
Rob, I think something with similar properties to TCP's initial sequence number selection would be about right. A toaster-class device will have to deal with that as well. Bob Please also recall that there exist toaster-class devices whose only persistant storage is flash RAM or some

Request to Advance Default Router Preferences, More-Specific Routes and Load Sharing

2002-07-10 Thread Bob Hinden
. Draves, B. Hinden Filename:draft-ietf-ipv6-router-selection-02.txt Pages: 13 Date:10-Jun-02 A working group last call for this document was completed on July 4, 2002. Bob Hinden / Steve Deering / Margaret Wasserman IPv6 Working Group Co-Chairs

Draft Agenda for Yokohama IETF IPv6 W.G. Sessions

2002-07-09 Thread Bob Hinden
to honor all requests for agenda items. Suggest that these topics be brought to the mailing list. Please send comments and corrections to the w.g. chairs. Thanks, Bob Hinden, Steve Deering, Margaret Wasserman IPv6 chairs

Consensus on Site-Local Discussion

2002-06-21 Thread Bob Hinden
). - The working group should complete the Scoped Address Architecture draft. Bob Hinden, Steve Deering, Margaret Wasserman IPv6 working group chairs IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http

Re: Consensus on Site-Local Discussion

2002-06-21 Thread Bob Hinden
Keith, At 09:29 AM 6/21/2002, Keith Moore wrote: I agree that there's probably not consensus to deprecate SL, but I think we should consider finding ways to discourage its use, and to remove the burden from apps of having to support it specially. I don't agree that the Default Address Selection

Request to Advance IPv6 for Some Second and Third Generation Cellular Hosts

2002-06-20 Thread Bob Hinden
-ietf-ipv6-cellular-host-03.txt Pages: 20 Date: 07-Jun-02 A working group last call for this document was completed on May 27, 2002. This draft resolves issues raised during the working group last call and subsequent discussion on the mailing list. Bob Hinden / Steve

Review of Use of /127 Prefix Length Between Routers Considered Harmful

2002-06-07 Thread Bob Hinden
comments to the list. Thanks, Bob Hinden, Steve Deering, Margaret Wasserman IPv6 w.g. Co-Chairs IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 for Some Second and Third Generation Cellular Hosts

2002-05-17 Thread Bob Hinden
period will on May 30, 2002. Bob Hinden / Steve Deering / Margaret Wasserman IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive: ftp

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-05-02 Thread Bob Hinden
Rob, Two points not made previously. thread. Using well-known unicast addresses still moves knowledge of the server location into the routing system. Using well-known anycast addresses still leaves the client unable to take any useful recovery action if the server location mechanism has

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-30 Thread Bob Hinden
Rob, Apologies in advance if this sounds grumpy, it's not intended that way, I just haven't had enough coffee yet today. :) Coffee is a good thing! To clarify draft-ietf-ipv6-dns-discovery-04.txt Sections 1 through 8 is the main body of the proposal (called level 1) and is what is being

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-30 Thread Bob Hinden
Rob, I think you mentioned in an earlier email about the need for NTP in order to use DNSSEC. From the discussion on the list it sounds like the timing requirement for DNSSEC is for the host to have a clock that is +/- 5 minutes. This could be implemented with NTP or something else (e.g.,

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-29 Thread Bob Hinden
Thomas, At 07:18 AM 4/29/2002, Thomas Narten wrote: There are issues raised in solutions like this to insure that the co-located services are adequately tied together. For example in case of a DHCP server in the DNS server the processes need to be tied together in a manner that the

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-26 Thread Bob Hinden
Rob, Sorry for not responding sooner. The emphasis in the definition is with out any dependence on resources other than are needed. This would allow relay agents in routers or DHCP servers in DNS servers. There are issues raised in solutions like this to insure that the co-located services

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-23 Thread Bob Hinden
Ralph, At 05:28 AM 4/23/2002, Ralph Droms wrote: Here's my cut at a list of requirements for DNS Configuration. It's based on Bob's IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements Statement, previous discussions on DNS configuration, and my own $0.02. My intention is to list all of the requirements I've

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-23 Thread Bob Hinden
Rob, Thanks. I will give it some thought and respond tomorrow. I will not have email for most of today. Bob At 09:12 PM 4/22/2002, Rob Austein wrote: At Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:57:02 -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: Could you comment on the definition I used for server-less? There was more than

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-22 Thread Bob Hinden
Could you comment on the definition I used for server-less? There was more than just the use of the word. Bob At 10:30 AM 4/19/2002, Rob Austein wrote: At Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:50:01 -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: I suspect that most people can tell the difference. No, Bob, that's exactly

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-19 Thread Bob Hinden
Thomas, I think this point is important because saying we need a server-less solution implies we all agree on what server-oriented vs. server-less actually means. I'm not sure I do. I suspect that most people can tell the difference. I used these words I thought were clearer than

Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-17 Thread Bob Hinden
I took a cut at a requirements statement for IPv6 DNS Discovery. Comments are appreciated. Thanks, Bob -- IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements Statement IPv6 provides two approaches to basic IPv6 configuration. One is server-less and is defined in IPv6 Neighbor Discover

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