Re: [lisp] Flow label redux [Re: IPv6 UDP checksum issue]

2009-08-10 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: the O UDP checksum proposal obsoletes all the today deployed nodes which check them (so all hosts I know and perhaps a lot of routers too) OK, so what are the other options for encapsulating a packet in a IPv6 packet? =

Re: [lisp] Flow label redux

2009-08-10 Thread Dino Farinacci
the O UDP checksum proposal obsoletes all the today deployed nodes which check them (so all hosts I know and perhaps a lot of routers too) OK, so what are the other options for encapsulating a packet in a IPv6 packet? Um, surely, routers are not specified to validate layer-4 checksums

Re: [lisp] Flow label redux

2009-08-10 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Actually, looking at this as a LISP problem is probalby misleading. This issue applies to any intermediate device based, high capacity, tunnel mechanism. 1) High capacity tunnel mechanisms are going to be concerned to implement in hardware, where the UDP checksum may be difficult 2) High

RE: [lisp] Flow label redux

2009-08-10 Thread Ross Callon
I agree with Joel that this problem is broader than just LISP. This is an issue with any device that is encapsulating quite a bit of traffic (that represents many smaller flows that could be split) in a tunnel over IPv6. It would (IMHO) serve us well to do this right. I also agree with Joel

Re: [lisp] Flow label redux

2009-08-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Ross Callonrcal...@juniper.net wrote: There isn't all that much IPv6 traffic right now (some please correct me if this is wrong), and the ramp-up speed seems relatively 'much global ipv6 traffic'. There are places with more ipv6 traffic, where LAG/ECMP is

Re: [lisp] Flow label redux [Re: IPv6 UDP checksum issue]

2009-08-10 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Francis Dupont wrote: = in fact the IPv6 addresses don't need to be the same when xTRs are attached to regular links with /64 prefixes. So IMHO most of this discussion is insane: - if we need to vary things between a pair of IPv6 xTRs it should be enough (and

Re: [lisp] Flow label redux [Re: IPv6 UDP checksum issue]

2009-08-10 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Noel, On Aug 7, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Francis Dupont francis.dup...@fdupont.fr the O UDP checksum proposal obsoletes all the today deployed nodes which check them (so all hosts I know and perhaps a lot of routers too) OK, so what are the other options for

Re: [lisp] Flow label redux [Re: IPv6 UDP checksum issue]

2009-08-10 Thread Margaret Wasserman
The dataset analyzed is not relevant to today's networking connectivity or technologies. Looking very quickly at a small set of data I have access to (servers serving web content to the internet users): 32,945,810,591 packets received, 0 dropped due to bad checksum (ip header checksum)

Re: [lisp] Flow label redux [Re: IPv6 UDP checksum issue]

2009-08-10 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Does UDP-Lite work through NAT boxes? (LISP has a mobile-node mode, which we would like to see work through NAT boxes, so any proposed alternative solution has to work through NAT boxes too.) For IPv6? Sorry I didn't reply to this in the earlier message... (1) There isn't enough NAT

Re: [lisp] Flow label redux

2009-08-10 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Havard, On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Havard Eidnes wrote: the O UDP checksum proposal obsoletes all the today deployed nodes which check them (so all hosts I know and perhaps a lot of routers too) OK, so what are the other options for encapsulating a packet in a IPv6 packet? Um,

Re: [lisp] IPv6 UDP checksum issue

2009-08-10 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote: The spec says ETRs MUST ignore the UDP checksum field. This is what the LISP authors intended and has been implemented this way. The spec says ITRs MUST set the UDP checksum field to 0. Could you tell us how to achieve this on commonly