Re: draft-ietf-6man-rfc3484-rev...@tools.ietf.org

2011-05-09 Thread Ray Hunter
Thank you very much for replying to my message. I have copied the 6man mailing list into the reply, plus your original mail is attached below, as you requested, so as to involve a larger community in the discussion. Yes. You have a humble opinion that ISATAP is equivalent to native IPv6 and

Re: Flow label drafts updated

2011-05-09 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 08 May 2011, at 19:06 , Brian E Carpenter wrote: Maybe it's just the use of the word immutable that is causing the problem here, because it implies something that physically isn't true. I think that is a very very important part, possibly the central element, of this discussion. This is

Re: Flow label drafts updated

2011-05-09 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 08 May 2011, at 19:47 , Brian E Carpenter wrote: But it's really playing with words to assert that a firewall which chooses to overwrite the field is supporting it in the sense intended by the phrase Hosts or routers that do not support the functions of the Flow Label field It is not

Re: Short 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-09.txt

2011-05-09 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Fri, 06 May 2011 13:48:19 -0400, Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com wrote: I'm not entirely sure what to do here. RFC 4191 is not widely implemented, AFAIK. It's in Windows Vista (and onwards) and also Linux. Not sure where else (I'm guessing not on Macs?) (I'm not sure if the following

Re: Flow label drafts updated

2011-05-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hi Ran, On 2011-05-10 01:02, RJ Atkinson wrote: On 08 May 2011, at 19:06 , Brian E Carpenter wrote: Maybe it's just the use of the word immutable that is causing the problem here, because it implies something that physically isn't true. I think that is a very very important part, possibly

Re: Flow label drafts updated

2011-05-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hi again Ran, On 2011-05-10 01:10, RJ Atkinson wrote: On 08 May 2011, at 19:47 , Brian E Carpenter wrote: But it's really playing with words to assert that a firewall which chooses to overwrite the field is supporting it in the sense intended by the phrase Hosts or routers that do not

Re: Flow label drafts updated

2011-05-09 Thread John Leslie
Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-05-10 01:02, RJ Atkinson wrote: A much more reasonable approach would be to say (edit to taste): The Flow Label SHOULD NOT be changed in transit. The authors really need to hear that from more than one person, or to

Re: Short 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-09.txt

2011-05-09 Thread Bob Hinden
Thomas, My personal observation, if it's implemented in Windows Vista WIn7, Linux, BSD, (and probably Macs), then this sounds like widely implemented. This plus Ole's use scenario, leads me to think it should be a SHOULD. Bob On May 9, 2011, at 12:58 PM, JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉 wrote: At

Re: Short 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-09.txt

2011-05-09 Thread Thomas Narten
My personal observation, if it's implemented in Windows Vista WIn7, Linux, BSD, (and probably Macs), then this sounds like widely implemented. This plus Ole's use scenario, leads me to think it should be a SHOULD. I could probably go with a SHOULD. But, I wonder if we are living in the

Re: Short 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-09.txt

2011-05-09 Thread Bob Hinden
Thomas, On May 9, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: My personal observation, if it's implemented in Windows Vista WIn7, Linux, BSD, (and probably Macs), then this sounds like widely implemented. This plus Ole's use scenario, leads me to think it should be a SHOULD. I could probably

Re: Short 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-09.txt

2011-05-09 Thread Fred Baker
On May 9, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: When are we going to start counting cell phones, tablets and other electronic devices? When they start implementing IPv6 at all... IETF IPv6 working group mailing list

Re: Short 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-09.txt

2011-05-09 Thread Thomas Narten
Can someone explain to me the rationale for mandating 4191 in 6204? What was the scenario that was envisioned that necessitates 4191? it was the only way we found to keep support for ULA prefixes. the scenario is if you have a home CPE with ULA enabled, but no upstream IPv6 connectivity.

Re: Short 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-09.txt

2011-05-09 Thread Bob Hinden
On May 9, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Fred Baker wrote: On May 9, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: When are we going to start counting cell phones, tablets and other electronic devices? When they start implementing IPv6 at all... iOS and Symbian appear to do IPv6 pretty well. I think

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2011-05-09 Thread Cameron Byrne
On May 9, 2011 6:26 PM, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote: On May 9, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Fred Baker wrote: On May 9, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: When are we going to start counting cell phones, tablets and other electronic devices? When they start implementing IPv6 at

Re: Short 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-09.txt

2011-05-09 Thread Hesham Soliman
On May 9, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Fred Baker wrote: On May 9, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: When are we going to start counting cell phones, tablets and other electronic devices? When they start implementing IPv6 at all... iOS and Symbian appear to do IPv6 pretty well. I think

Re: Short 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-09.txt

2011-05-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 9 May 2011, Bob Hinden wrote: iOS and Symbian appear to do IPv6 pretty well. I think iOS is ahead of MacOS as it get's updated more often. Not sure about Android, Win7 phone, and the others. Android 2.3.4 actually has GUI options to configure IPv6 APN, but we have yet to find a