Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Sweet
Brian, What you're apparently missing is that the client is using the zoneid to choose a network interface to route packets to that link local address. If the server returns a uri in its response that uses the same link local address but without the client's zoneid, then the client will be

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3631)

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Sweet
See my previous response. Sent from my iPad On 2013-05-23, at 1:27 AM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: Again, completely wrong for the same reason that Erratum 3630 is wrong. Regards Brian Carpenter On 23/05/2013 15:59, RFC Errata System wrote: The following

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 23 May 2013, Michael Sweet wrote: Brian, What you're apparently missing is that the client is using the zoneid to choose a network interface to route packets to that link local address. If the server returns a uri in its response that uses the same link local address but without the

RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Christian Huitema
Michael, you are asking that the consensus of the WG be reversed. The errata process is not the way to handle this. You have to go through the motions: write a draft, submit it, get consensus... -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of

I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-multicast-addr-arch-update-01.txt

2013-05-23 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group of the IETF. Title : Updates to the IPv6 Multicast Addressing Architecture Author(s) : Mohamed Boucadair

draft-ietf-6man-multicast-addr-arch-update: How to implement RFCs changes?

2013-05-23 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Dear all, We prepared a new version which lists the changes to be added to RFC 3956, RFC 3306 and RFC 4607: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-multicast-addr-arch-update-01 We are interested to hear your feedback on the proposed changes and also on the better approach to actually do

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Ted Lemon
I happen to agree that a change like this would be a good change, but I also agree that it needs to be done as a consensus document, not as an erratum. This is true not only for process reasons, but because I think the change as proposed was too broad. Is there a working group alive where

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Sweet
Mikael, On 2013-05-23, at 2:26 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2013, Michael Sweet wrote: Brian, What you're apparently missing is that the client is using the zoneid to choose a network interface to route packets to that link local address. If the server

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Brian Haberman
On 5/23/13 9:42 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: I happen to agree that a change like this would be a good change, but I also agree that it needs to be done as a consensus document, not as an erratum. This is true not only for process reasons, but because I think the change as proposed was too broad.

[Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3632)

2013-05-23 Thread RFC Errata System
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6874, Representing IPv6 Zone Identifiers in Address Literals and Uniform Resource Identifiers. -- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6874eid=3632

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Brian Haberman
Michael, I rejected the errata since they were both changing the consensus of a WG. That level of change is not how the errata system is to be used. Your approach of writing a new draft proposing these changes is the correct approach to changing that consensus. Regards, Brian On

[Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3633)

2013-05-23 Thread RFC Errata System
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6874, Representing IPv6 Zone Identifiers in Address Literals and Uniform Resource Identifiers. -- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6874eid=3633

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3632)

2013-05-23 Thread Brian Haberman
Michael, Let me repeat myself... This is not how the errata report system is to be used. It is *not* a notification system for future proposals. That type of notification can be accomplished by posting to the appropriate IETF mailing list (ipv6@ietf.org in this case). Regards, Brian

Router advertisement based privacy - I-D: Action :draft-rafiee-6man-ra-privacy

2013-05-23 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
I first want to thank Dave who took the time to read and comment on my draft and to discuss the problems associated with it. Based on some offline discussions with Dave, I have changed this document to better address the current issues with RFC 4941 which are actually related to differences in

Router advertisement based privacy - I-D: Action :draft-rafiee-6man-ra-privacy

2013-05-23 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Follow up, I forgot to post the link to the draft :-) http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rafiee-6man-ra-privacy Thanks, Best, Hosnieh I first want to thank Dave who took the time to read and comment on my draft and to discuss the problems associated with it. Based on

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3632)

2013-05-23 Thread Ted Lemon
On May 23, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Michael Sweet msw...@apple.com wrote: I've seen plenty of pending (not approved, not rejected) errata for other RFCs for stuff like this. Posting to the ipv6 mailing list is useful for people involved in RFC development but is completely opaque to ordinary

RE: Router advertisement based privacy - I-D: Action :draft-rafiee-6man-ra-privacy

2013-05-23 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
follow up to the follow up: sorry, I sent the wrong link the last time. this is the correct link: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rafiee-6man-ra-privacy :-| it is not my day.. :-/ Hosnieh IETF IPv6 working group

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Ted Lemon
On May 23, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Brian Haberman br...@innovationslab.net wrote: 6MAN. Really? I would have assumed that this would be an http document, but if it can be done in 6man, that would be cool. IETF IPv6 working group

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Brian Haberman
On 5/23/13 11:23 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: On May 23, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Brian Haberman br...@innovationslab.net wrote: 6MAN. Really? I would have assumed that this would be an http document, but if it can be done in 6man, that would be cool. RFC 6874 was published by 6MAN. There was input

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Ole Troan
I happen to agree that a change like this would be a good change, but I also agree that it needs to be done as a consensus document, not as an erratum. This is true not only for process reasons, but because I think the change as proposed was too broad. Is there a working group alive

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Brian Haberman
On 5/23/13 11:42 AM, Ole Troan wrote: I happen to agree that a change like this would be a good change, but I also agree that it needs to be done as a consensus document, not as an erratum. This is true not only for process reasons, but because I think the change as proposed was too broad.

Re: RE: Router advertisement based privacy - I-D: Action :draft-rafiee-6man-ra-privacy

2013-05-23 Thread Ray Hunter
Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: follow up to the follow up: sorry, I sent the wrong link the last time. this is the correct link: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rafiee-6man-ra-privacy :-| it is not my day…… :-/ Hosnieh I have read this draft and I don't particularly like it for several

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3632)

2013-05-23 Thread Stuart Cheshire
On behalf of Apple I apologise. I will talk with Michael Sweet directly and try to resolve his concerns without any more errata reports. Stuart Cheshire On 23 May, 2013, at 07:45, Brian Haberman br...@innovationslab.net wrote: Michael, Let me repeat myself... This is not how the errata

I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-08.txt

2013-05-23 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group of the IETF. Title : A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC)

Re: Comments on draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-07

2013-05-23 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Tim, Thanks so much for your feedback! -- Please find my comments in-line... On 05/22/2013 10:19 AM, Tim Chown wrote: Overall, I think this is good work and should be progressed. Thanks! First, some general comments: You may wish to be clearer earlier in the document (abstract

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-ext-transmit-00.txt]

2013-05-23 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hi, I haven't noticed a single comment on this version, so is it fair to assume everybody has read it and is in agreement? If so, we'll ask the WG Chairs to move it towards WGLC. If there are more comments, we still have to time to update the draft before Berlin. Regards Brian Carpenter On

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3630)

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Sweet
Christian, I'm happy to write up a new draft proposing my changes and go through that process. I'm not happy that my errata have been summarily rejected in less than 24 hours with no time for review. Consider: hundreds of millions of printers, computers, and mobile devices have been certified

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6874 (3632)

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Sweet
Brian, I've seen plenty of pending (not approved, not rejected) errata for other RFCs for stuff like this. Posting to the ipv6 mailing list is useful for people involved in RFC development but is completely opaque to ordinary implementers of RFCs (which I have to deal with on a daily