Hi Brian,
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:18 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: Thomas Narten; ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IP
Hi Bob,
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: Bob Hinden; Thomas Narten; ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
> Ne
> The NBMA link and all of its attached devices is also
> a separate site,
Fred, can you explain what NBMA technologies you are thinking
of? I think we successfully proved that ATM is not a viable
access technology precisely because it creates the NBMA problem,
so I'm wondering why we are trying a
; From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:14 PM
>> To: Templin, Fred L
>> Cc: Bob Hinden; Thomas Narten; ipv6@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
>> NeighborDiscovery"
>>
>>
Bob,
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:14 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: Bob Hinden; Thomas Narten; ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
> Ne
mas,
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Thomas Narten [mailto:nar...@us.ibm.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:54 PM
>> To: Templin, Fred L
>> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
>> NeighborDis
Hi Thomas,
> -Original Message-
> From: Thomas Narten [mailto:nar...@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:54 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
> NeighborDiscovery"
>
Hi Thomas,
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:12:44 -0500
Thomas Narten wrote:
> Mark Smith writes:
>
> > I think a "prefix redirect" mechanism is justified because it provides
> > more optimal forwarding for inter-CPE traffic. I only brought up
> > the LI issue and addressed it because that seemed to be
Hi Fred.
the picture is a start...
"Templin, Fred L" writes:
> http://osprey67.com/stub-router.pdf
> In this picture, the link I am concerned with is labeled
> "NBMA Link" in the diagram.
Please add an indication for what a typical "site" is. Are all of the
stub networks considered part of
Hi Thomas,
> -Original Message-
> From: Thomas Narten [mailto:nar...@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:18 AM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
> NeighborDiscovery"
&g
I apologize for asking stupid questions, but I'm trying to understand
the terminology in this discussion. If a network has no connection to
a provider, are all of its routers "stub routers"? What constitutes a
provider? If two administrative domains interconnect but still have no
connection to t
Fred,
Let's up level. I fundamentally do not understand the motivation for
any of this work. That is what I mean by "what's the problem". Let's
focus on that question alone, because if I (or the community) is not
convinced there is an actual problem that needs work, there is no
point in continuin
Brian,
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:53 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: Mark Smith; Thomas Narten; Hinden; b...@core3.amsl.com; ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub R
Thomas,
> -Original Message-
> From: Thomas Narten [mailto:nar...@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:10 AM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
> NeighborDiscovery"
Mark Smith writes:
> I think a "prefix redirect" mechanism is justified because it provides
> more optimal forwarding for inter-CPE traffic. I only brought up
> the LI issue and addressed it because that seemed to be the only
> objection there was to the idea when I suggested it before. I don't
>
"Templin, Fred L" writes:
> When a stub router connects a stub network to a link,
> it needs to somehow be provisioned with one or more
> default routes pointing to other routers on the link
> that can forward packets on toward a provider network.
"provisioned" is the wrong word, as it suggests
Hi Brian,
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:52:30 +1300
Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> > The lawful intercept question is an interesting one, but
> > as you say if the ISP owns both the L2 and L3 infrastucture
> > there should be a way to support it. It may be much more
> > challenging to do the intercept from
> The lawful intercept question is an interesting one, but
> as you say if the ISP owns both the L2 and L3 infrastucture
> there should be a way to support it. It may be much more
> challenging to do the intercept from L2 switches located
> close to the CPEs, however, since you may need many points
Bob,
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:15 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: Bob Hinden; Thomas Narten; ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
> Ne
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
> NeighborDiscovery"
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:47:04 -0800
> "Templin, Fred L" wrote:
>
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > F
ovember 25, 2009 8:47 AM
>> To: Bob Hinden; Thomas Narten
>> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org
>> Subject: RE: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
>> NeighborDiscovery"
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Bo
6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Templin, Fred L
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:47 AM
> To: Bob Hinden; Thomas Narten
> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: New draft on "Stub Router Advertisements in IPv6
> NeighborDiscovery"
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> >
Hi Simha,
Thanks for your comments, and see below:
> -Original Message-
> From: Narasimhan Venkataramaiah [mailto:nar...@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:49 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L; ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: New draft on "Stub Router Ad
Thomas,
> -Original Message-
> From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Thomas Narten
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:37 AM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: New draft on "Stub Rou
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