[The Java Posse] Re: ep 219: custom vs production line

2008-12-02 Thread Amarjeet Singh
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/3072952565_68a28ba7bf_o.jpg Regards On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Joshua Marinacci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I suddenly had a vision of a crane (the bird kind, not the > construction kind) in flight with a gigantic jet turbine strapped to > it's back.

[The Java Posse] Re: ep 219: custom vs production line

2008-12-02 Thread Joshua Marinacci
I suddenly had a vision of a crane (the bird kind, not the construction kind) in flight with a gigantic jet turbine strapped to it's back. :) On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Christian Catchpole wrote: > > Yeah. I want to get a crane and put a turbine on it... That would be > cool. > > On Dec 3

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread Joshua Marinacci
Sorry. Thursday morning California time. I'm gonna have a busy day. :) On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Tomorrow is Thursday (at least in New Zealand) - pls be releasing > then ;) > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Joshua Marinacci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> >> Ve

[The Java Posse] Re: ep 219: custom vs production line

2008-12-02 Thread Christian Catchpole
Yeah. I want to get a crane and put a turbine on it... That would be cool. On Dec 3, 3:01 pm, Joshua Marinacci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Alexey Zinger wrote: > > > > > > > There was a discussion about predictability of custom design vs mass   > > production.  Yes,

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread Mark Derricutt
Tomorrow is Thursday (at least in New Zealand) - pls be releasing then ;) On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Joshua Marinacci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Very well said. What we are releasing on Thursday is the beginning of > something, not the end. Something which I find is very exciting. I > ho

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread Joshua Marinacci
Very well said. What we are releasing on Thursday is the beginning of something, not the end. Something which I find is very exciting. I hope you will as well. - j On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:36 PM, DAemon wrote: > > Uh, I just wanted to point out that JavaFX, even 'though it's being > released at

[The Java Posse] Re: ep 219: custom vs production line

2008-12-02 Thread Joshua Marinacci
On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Alexey Zinger wrote: > > There was a discussion about predictability of custom design vs mass > production. Yes, a lot of software developers work on highly > customized solutions. But why would it be any other way? Software > development is by definition wri

[The Java Posse] Re: Posse Roundup 09 change of dates

2008-12-02 Thread Dick Wall
By the way, if you are attending SD West, why not swing by the Java Posse Roundup on your way there (particularly anyone from Europe or East Coast). You could come and hang out the week before, do some geeking and skiing, and carry on to SD West for the week after. What's more, the Java Posse Roun

[The Java Posse] Posse Roundup 09 change of dates

2008-12-02 Thread Dick Wall
As you have heard if you have already listened to episode 219, we made the difficult decision to move the Java Posse Roundup 2009 one week earlier than we had previously announced. This was because the SD West conference announced their dates for the same week, and we clashed with them last year.

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread sherod
No technology on earth is able to accomplish this. :o) .On Dec 3, 11:41 am, "Mark Derricutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .> Agreed - I also think the final, and most important question is:  Will .> knowing JavaFX get me laid? And if so, will it be more than if I knew >. Silverlight or Flash? :

[The Java Posse] ep 219: custom vs production line

2008-12-02 Thread Alexey Zinger
There was a discussion about predictability of custom design vs mass production. Yes, a lot of software developers work on highly customized solutions. But why would it be any other way? Software development is by definition writing new software. And most of the clients that can afford a s

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread Mark Derricutt
Agreed - I also think the final, and most important question is: Will knowing JavaFX get me laid? And if so, will it be more than if I knew Silverlight or Flash? :) On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:36 PM, DAemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 'omfg ur killin swing u dont care about all us java devs liek w

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread DAemon
Uh, I just wanted to point out that JavaFX, even 'though it's being released at a 1.0 is by no means a complete technology, nor is it a mature technology. Several key parts of JavaFX, including the much-touted 3D support, have yet to be included, because they weren't stable enough to go into the 1

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread Joshua Marinacci
My blog called "JavaFX != JavaFX Script" over a year ago, actually, and some details have changed. (though the core awesomenesss of what is now called JavaSE 6 update 10 has not changed). Yes, a week or two ago I did talk about how Swing & Enterprise is still a focus, and that's still true.

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread osbald
> We do have plans to let the scenegraph and media (Java Media Component   > or JMC) have Java apis, but we don't have any public details right now   > and I can't say when we will. > Right now our publicity focus is on JavaFX. We will talk more about   > Java and Java 7 at JavaOne in May, which

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread Joshua Marinacci
On Dec 1, 2008, at 10:30 PM, Doug Holton wrote: > > I also am interested in when a javafx designer will be available. > > Also, how exactly do you embed swing controls in a javafx stage now? > The only examples I can find online don't work anymore. The api has been simplified. Essentially var

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread Joshua Marinacci
We do have plans to let the scenegraph and media (Java Media Component or JMC) have Java apis, but we don't have any public details right now and I can't say when we will. Right now I'm talking about JavaFX. Binding will never be available from Java because that's a part of the JavaFX Scrip

[The Java Posse] Re: Dick wall, an unsettling name

2008-12-02 Thread Hairless_ape
Ladies and gentlemen I think we all got Dick walled. I hope Tor didn't get offended either. Really he's probably an adequate Viking, at least when he goes "berserk på fleinsopp" You ask him if he does that often, dick. On Dec 2, 4:34 pm, Dick Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Folks > > None t

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Dan Shaya
Thanks for the advice, Do you use NetBeans for this? Is there an Eclipse plug-in that gives you the same IDE support? On Dec 2, 4:13 pm, Neil Swingler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jax-ws is also a standard part of java se 6.  It even contains an   > embedded http server. No need for any additio

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Marcelo Morales
I was facing a similar problem last year. I had to consume a single web service and expose just a couple of them. They were vry simple and I did not want to feed the application with thick jars. It was a ibm show, which meant java 1.4, spring 2.0 and websphere 5. For the client part, I used s

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Brent
I would highly recommend trying Spring web services. It takes care of all the web service BS and it can work with many different flavors of services. http://static.springsource.org/spring-ws/sites/1.5/ --Brent On Dec 2, 11:13 am, Neil Swingler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jax-ws is also a s

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Neil Swingler
Jax-ws is also a standard part of java se 6. It even contains an embedded http server. No need for any additional libraries. -Neil On 2 Dec 2008, at 16:59, "Alexis Moussine-Pouchkine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Speaking for the "standard" side of things: > JAX-WS is part of Java EE

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Alexis Moussine-Pouchkine
Speaking for the "standard" side of things: JAX-WS is part of Java EE 5 and JAX-RS (1.0 shipped recently) is set to be in EE 6. Both heavily rely on POJOs and annotations such that, while doing Web Services. Working on GlassFish I'm biased, but I'd suggest Metro (http://metro.dev.java.net) especi

[The Java Posse] Re: Dick wall, an unsettling name

2008-12-02 Thread Dick Wall
Hi Folks None taken really :-). In fact I am just now catching up with the groups after a few days off. My name was singled out on my bachelor party (or stag party as we call it in the UK) by a comedian for similar reasons. We have indeed taken a little time off - I hope to release another Round

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Viktor Klang
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Dan Shaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I need to use SOAP so that I can communicate with the enemy :-) > WORD! :D > > > > On Dec 2, 2:55 pm, Casper Bang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > this - not a whole framework which I would have to adopt. > > > > This is J

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Dan Shaya
I need to use SOAP so that I can communicate with the enemy :-) On Dec 2, 2:55 pm, Casper Bang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > this - not a whole framework which I would have to adopt. > > This is Java, you are supposed to adopt frameworks every day. > > Kidding aside, have a look at XStream. It

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Casper Bang
> this - not a whole framework which I would have to adopt. This is Java, you are supposed to adopt frameworks every day. Kidding aside, have a look at XStream. It is not a framework as much as a generic serializer facility, which can be used in a REST style service layer, turning your DTO's int

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread Doug Holton
I also am interested in when a javafx designer will be available. Also, how exactly do you embed swing controls in a javafx stage now? The only examples I can find online don't work anymore. Lastly, will javafx ever have support for things like traits/mixins/ structural subtyping or extension me

[The Java Posse] Re: What would you like to know about JavaFX

2008-12-02 Thread osbald
I'd like to know more about the bridge between Swing and JavaFX too - although I'm slightly more concerned about how well node based and MVC/ ui delegate based components will sit together side-by-side. Without delegates, action maps, input maps etc.. (the feel bits of the L&F) will JavaFX compone

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Viktor Klang
SOAP? REST? JSON-RPC? XML-RPC? On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Dan Shaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > I'm a pretty seasoned Java server side developer and have the need now > to create some web services. > > Ideally what I'm looking for is thin utility library to help me do >

[The Java Posse] Re: Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Jim Blackler
REST or SOAP? 2008/12/2 Dan Shaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi everybody, > > I'm a pretty seasoned Java server side developer and have the need now > to create some web services. > > Ideally what I'm looking for is thin utility library to help me do > this - not a whole framework which I would hav

[The Java Posse] Web Services

2008-12-02 Thread Dan Shaya
Hi everybody, I'm a pretty seasoned Java server side developer and have the need now to create some web services. Ideally what I'm looking for is thin utility library to help me do this - not a whole framework which I would have to adopt. Recommendations please. Thanks in advance Dan --~--~---