too bad about velocity .. I rather liked the syntax. Has anyone tried
thymeleaf ? Looks like a pretty nice server side templating system.
http://www.thymeleaf.org/
2012/2/17 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
My only
Joshua Bloch joins the dart team as core libraries architect.
https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23dartlang
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The more interesting question will be whether Apple, MS, Mozilla will embed
the Dart VM in their browsers.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Ruben Reusser rube...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems interesting that dart leaves out all access to files, databases
and screens in their library as well as
most languages with closures allow this but not what is currently being
proposed in Java 8. Closures in Java 8 currently do not permit capture of
mutable local variables.
7. Local variable capture
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The current rules for capturing local variables of enclosing contexts
didn't Mark Reinhold say that Java 9 (or post Java 8) will have reified
generics ?
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
I think type erasure was an error, I would have preferred no generics to
what we have. I agree though that few languages that claim to
Before it's too late, get involved and cast your vote for the syntax you
identify with most!
http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/lambda-dev/2011-June/003372.html
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BQQLZQM
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Overall I like the new direction of JavaFx 2.0. I am not particularly fond
of the way
they did properties (DoubleProperty, LongProperty etc) it seems little
verbose
for my likings. I would rather see properties implemented at the language
level.
I am both excited and curious for the forthcoming
Another language in the works. Let the Scala vs Ceylon project wars begin.
http://devstonez.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/introducing-the-ceylon-project-gavin-king-presentation-at-qcon-beijing-2011/
http://blog.talawah.net/2011/04/gavin-king-unviels-red-hats-top-secret.html
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go days on end without seeing any
XML.
There are many valid reasons to dislike Java, but XML is not one of them.
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Serge Boulay serge.bou...@gmail.com
wrote:
Another language in the works. Let the Scala vs Ceylon project wars
begin.
http
How is average java joe suppose to get checked exceptions right if there
is this much confusion around the proper usage?
2011/3/25 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:14 AM, mP miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote:
RemoteException // probably the most famous this
Looks like Oracle has started planning for JDK 8 and they are accepting
proposals for language features (big and small).
http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2011-March/001704.html
It's time to start thinking about planning JDK 8.
We already know what some of the big-ticket items are
it would be nice to see some sort of external layout similar to Flex's mxml.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jonathan Giles
jonat...@jonathangiles.netwrote:
I'm also happy to chime in here if anyone has questions or comments.
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On Feb 17, 8:26 am, Moandji Ezana mwa...@gmail.com
at validating and refactoring!
On 17 February 2011 14:45, Serge Boulay serge.bou...@gmail.com wrote:
it would be nice to see some sort of external layout similar to Flex's
mxml.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jonathan Giles
jonat...@jonathangiles.net wrote:
I'm also happy to chime
the problem with the DSL approach is that you have to use an alternate JVM
language .. .there goes the Back to Java and You don't have to learn
another language marketing for JavaFx 2.0.
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Moandji Ezana mwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:49 PM,
I'm curious, why is Oracle putting effort into LUIT if Java ME is dead or
has no hope ?
2011/2/13 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.ukwrote:
As every phone company is spotting Java ME / CLDC / MIDP is now
an awful platform.
http://www.infoq.com/interviews/josh-bloch-java-prog
Enjoy.
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now that ASF has left the JCP, does Oracle have to have an Election for a
replacement?
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Jan Goyvaerts java.arti...@gmail.comwrote:
... although I guess we all have our own opinion about the role of ASF
lately, I don't think this is good news for Java. A very sad
great video. Did you notice the huge endorsement that JSF got from Gosling
:-)
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
Speaking at the Silicon Valley Java Users' Group
great news, but coin features in Java 8 JSR are TBD? I wonder if people will
feel apprehensive on voting for something that is TBD?
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Sven Reimers sven.reim...@gmail.comwrote:
Big news before tomorrows Devoxx Keynote:
http://blogs.sun.com/mr/entry/quartet
Sven
module system is also TBD?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Serge Boulay serge.bou...@gmail.comwrote:
great news, but coin features in Java 8 JSR are TBD? I wonder if people
will feel apprehensive on voting for something that is TBD?
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Sven Reimers sven.reim
2. Java Desktop will never be a threat. It makes sense for apple to
stop spending the resources on keeping it up to date.
Isn't it a drop in the bucket for a company that has close to 50 billion
dollars in the bank to keep Java alive on the Mac?
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Reinier
kind of what I was getting at. A company that has that much money has no
problem funding a Java team that consists of 4 people. I
think it's their way of getting people to develop their platform.
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Isn't it a drop in the
http://www.dzone.com/links/r/why_doug_lea_left_the_jcp.html
http://www.dzone.com/links/r/why_doug_lea_left_the_jcp.htmlHis response to
the JCP exec committee members.
To: JCP Executive Committee Members
From: Doug Lea
Date: 22 October 2010
Dear Colleagues,
Here is the promised explanation
Is there some particular reason Oracle choose the diamond operator over
something like “var” ?
For example, I find this
ListEmployee emps = new ArrayList();
far less intuitive than say
var emps = new ArrayListEmployee();
The second example has the added benefit that it would work
I believe they are already using context sensitive keyword with the module
keyword in jigsaw.
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Introducing a new keyword is always very, very dangerous and has the
potential to break a lot of code (witness what
JavaFx 2.0 roadmap posted.
http://javafx.com/roadmap/
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
Could this be true? The twitterverse certainly seems to think so right
now.
Scala, Clojure, Groovy, JRuby, Jython, etc. all invited to the party!
So the
*Mark Reinhold brought up the concept of a value keyword that would
allow for significant suppression of the boilerplate code for data/value
classes.*
I couldn't attend javaone, does anyone know if Mark posted a code sample or
what the value keyword is or what it would look like?
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First time I hear about it, I don't think it ever got mentioned a single
time on the Coin mailing-list. It sounds like it might be property support?
Where did you get this information?
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On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Serge Boulay serge.bou...@gmail.comwrote:
*Mark
The syntax issue is not a problem. I'm just so use to statically typed
languages and the tools
built around them that I never really considered anything else. I think I
identify more with the work
you are doing with Mirah http://www.mirah.org/wiki/MirahFeatures .
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 2:19 AM,
where would you put Fantom in this list?
2010/9/10 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
Hi Tommy,
You're making a lot of good points.
I also think that in terms of ease of migration path from Java, the order
is 1) Groovy, 2) Scala and 3) Clojure (with a big gap behind number 2).
Clojure is a
so in terms on using Java web frameworks I can use anyone without problems?
Lift just looks so different to me; probably a result of my lack of Scala
knowledge.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
Java compatibility is absolutely *not* just a carrot, it
as I have previously said, it's just too bad they didn't make JavaFx
script a more general purpose language - I think it would rank high on your
list.
2010/9/10 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Serge Boulay serge.bou...@gmail.comwrote:
where would you put
I totally agree with you. They could make JavaFx a general purpose
programming language - it has all the elements of a java.next. Scala looks
like a brilliant language but I suspect that java programmers looking for
refuge would better identify with JavaFx. I have no idea why Sun didn't
position
JDK 7 minus lambda, jigsaw and coin .. what's left then?
2010/9/8 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Ricky Clarkson
ricky.clark...@gmail.comwrote:
You need to read that a bit more closely. Mid-2012 is under a plan
they are gravitating away from.
From
exactly, I think I'll read over Kevin's posts again :-) i can just see the
java one keynote now ... your getting ... underscores in numbers!
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Mario Fusco mario.fu...@gmail.com wrote:
JDK 7 minus lambda, jigsaw and coin .. what's left then?
Scala :-)
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why do you think we are getting the real lambda's with this delay? Did the
scope of the lambda project change with the delay?
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Maciej Hrynczyszyn
maciej.hrynczys...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/9/8 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
From Mark's post:
Plan A: JDK 7
What happens if Oracle doesn't win the lawsuit? Maybe Google wins and sues
Oracle for irreparable damages (lost time, market share, client confidence
etc).
Nobody really knows what will happen - it's all speculation
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Fabrizio Giudici
what about throwing generic exceptions with type parameters?
2010/8/31 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
Hi Russel,
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.ukwrote:
Perhaps the JVM could then support type parameters and the abomination
that is type erasure could be
this is going to be really bad for Java.
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
I really, _REALLY_ didn't imagine this was actually going to happen,
but the concern raised a few javaposses back has come true.
My immediate gut reaction to this news: WTF
http://www.cnbc.com/id/36832774
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For more
podcast is now available is anyone is interested.
Speakers in this shootout include, in no particular order:
- Chris Richardson of Cloud Foundry/SpringSource/VMware
- Dan Allen and Lincoln Baxter III of JBoss, a division of RedHat
- Alex Payne of Twitter
- David Black of Cyrus
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http://www.infoq.com/news/2010/04/gosling_leaves_oracle
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for those interested, Mark posted the Straw-Man proposal
http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~mr/lambda/straw-man/
his blog
http://blogs.sun.com/mr/entry/closures_straw_man
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Here’s Suns position on Delegates years ago. Curious, aren't lambda's and
delegates the same thing?
*Extract from white paper*
“The newest version of the Microsoft Visual J++ development environment
supports a language construct called *delegates *or *bound method**
references*. … It is
What spec are you reading. It clearly says Neal Gafter in the top
right corner. From what I hear it's trimmed down version of bgga with
fcm syntax.
On 11/18/09, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
Casper Bang wrote:
Yeah it's confusing, what made them suddenly change their
more good news .Joe said In terms of Project Coin, with the extended
JDK 7 schedule the fate of multi-catch in the release may be reconsidered.
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote:
My understanding is that the goal of coin was small changes that
don't
What I got out of the podcast was that each jdk has a some sort of
priorty/theme. For jdk 7, it’s modularity. Like any other business resources
are allocated based on achieving that priority. Modularity is the major change
for jdk 7. While some of the additional coins proposals and feature
The reality of bringing a new language into an exisiting organization is
that it just isn’t that easy. Managers and the like see it as another thing
they have to maintain. Organizations limit the number of languages in house
for both maintenance and support reasons. It's much easier to get an
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