[The Java Posse] bye, bye

2010-09-10 Thread Wildam Martin
Folks, I wish you happy scaling. I will continue to listen to the podcast but stop reading the group as the value I get out of reading has dropped drastically. Maybe, will check back in a few months. -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- You received this message because y

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Request for scala fans.

2010-09-10 Thread Wildam Martin
Bye, bye! -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsub

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Request for scala fans.

2010-09-10 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:44, Kevin Wright wrote: > But given the resistance I'm seeing to even small differences between > Java/Scala syntax, I suspect that Clojure will be far too radical for most > institutionalised Java developers. Somehow this sounds as Java developers are considered as not

Re: [The Java Posse] Request for scala fans.

2010-09-09 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 19:22, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > Can you please stop infecting every thread with the same tired > discussion? Feel free to make a new thread whose first post quotes a > bit from a different thread. +1 I am not "against" Scala, but as I have put it aside (after investiga

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: JDK 7 (as currently defined) delayed to mid 2012

2010-09-09 Thread Wildam Martin
Again, a discussion that leads to Java vs Scala... - it starts to get annoying. At http://blogs.sun.com/mr/entry/rethinking_jdk7 in the comments many complain that they wait for invokedynamic. I wonder, because I use dynamic class loading and dynamic calling of methods already for a while in Java

Re: [The Java Posse] JDK 7 (as currently defined) delayed to mid 2012

2010-09-08 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 18:54, Mario Fusco wrote: > I am really sorry to report that my worst forecasts are going to > become reality: > http://blogs.sun.com/mr/entry/rethinking_jdk7 What I miss most in JDK 6 is the strings in switch statements. Then I would like to see faster startup of Java app

Re: [The Java Posse] Mushroom season - New language each year

2010-09-08 Thread Wildam Martin
I think, now we finally got the result that nearly every discussion turns into lately: Java vs Scala... I say goodbye for this thread - at least after reading that people prefer to use vim or emacs rather than a real IDE just for the sake of doing Scala... -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/

Re: [The Java Posse] Mushroom season - New language each year

2010-09-08 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 13:12, Glenn Bech wrote: >>And no I don't see an overall business benefit for a large team moving to >>Scala from Java at this point. >>Given reasons previously stated you need to look at macro benefits not 'I am >>a developer and I like it' mentality. > > Amen! The best t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

2010-09-02 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 17:06, Robert Casto wrote: > I think the question is... > >"What are your options if the JVM is not a viable option?" > > If you are a Java developer of 10+ years which many of us are, it is a big > change. I am not 10+ years on Java and even I don't see many other opti

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

2010-09-02 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:47, Carl Jokl wrote: > The question of change of locale. It is typical for users to change > their local in the middle of using an application? Is it typical for > all applications to immediately take into account the change of locale > without first having to be restarte

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

2010-09-02 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 16:51, Casper Bang wrote: > Yup, Mono has no trouble running Java code thanks to iKVM. I have tried IKVM - for small things it looks to do the job perfectly. Tried to convert something with GUI and was not able until chosen exactly the layouts that are supported. Matisse fr

[The Java Posse] #321 - Engineering vs Management

2010-09-01 Thread Wildam Martin
Just a few days ago I listened to another podcast's episode that I thought of a few times while listening to javaposse #321, so I consider this very related and therefore I want to share the link: http://techcast.chariotsolutions.com/index.php?post_id=634076 -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.co

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

2010-09-01 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 15:31, Josh Berry wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Wildam Martin wrote: >> Solving end-user problems is far more important than learning crazy >> new programming paradigms. > Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it appears to be saying "

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

2010-09-01 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 19:00, CKoerner wrote: > Subject says it all. People like you continously try to push me into moving to other languages. And I continously loose time by starting (new) evaluations, that all get me to the same conclusion again and again: NO, there is no alternative to Java

[The Java Posse] Mushroom season - New language each year

2010-08-27 Thread Wildam Martin
I thought the mushroom season for this year is over ;-) - but season for new programming languages seams to be everlasting... For the language freak folks - here is yet another language you can learn: http://newspeaklanguage.org/ -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- You

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: JP320: Why no mention of GWT ?

2010-08-25 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:59, Casper Bang wrote: > You can very well use GWT to do this kind of work, you don't NEED to > connect a heavyweight service layer, but could just connect to a > simpel key-value store or ODATA endpoint in much the same way we use > the HTML5 localestorage API. That so

Re: [The Java Posse] JP320: Why no mention of GWT ?

2010-08-25 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:14, Miroslav Pokorny wrote: > The GWT development > environment does not compile anything to javascript, this is a later step > when one wishes to leave and deploy. What is the GWT development environment? I used NetBeans 6.5 or 6.7 or so with GWT Plugin. Anyway, GWT i

Re: [The Java Posse] JP320: Why no mention of GWT ?

2010-08-24 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 05:27, mP wrote: > but why was there no > mention of GWT which addresses and solves many of these problems. > While not perfect, in terms of solving browser nasties over CSS and > other rendering problems it is a great step forward... In my framework evaluations I also lik

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans - Compile on Save and Track dependencies

2010-08-24 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 08:10, hlovatt wrote: > I have found both of these options buggy and regularly turn them off : Thank you for mentioning. I don't know why I - while starting to become mad - always still think that it's my fault if something is not working... You mean "compile on save" and

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans - Compile on Save and Track dependencies

2010-08-23 Thread Wildam Martin
Oh, and on the libraries node in the project properties tree I have an option "Build projects on classpath" - should that be enabled or not? On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 16:40, Wildam Martin wrote: > Hi folks, > > it is starting to become a headache for me. I have some projects t

[The Java Posse] NetBeans - Compile on Save and Track dependencies

2010-08-23 Thread Wildam Martin
Hi folks, it is starting to become a headache for me. I have some projects that automatically do a clean & build removing my existing javadoc and I have projects that sometimes need to be built twice to build without errors (usually problems with symbols not found). I have quite modularized archi

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

2010-08-23 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 14:19, Wildam Martin wrote: > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 13:20, Casper Bang wrote: >> ...as well as Larry's yachts. :) > > I was just thinking of changing profession and looking for a job at > Larry's yacht, but unfortunately first of all they

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

2010-08-23 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 13:20, Casper Bang wrote: > ...as well as Larry's yachts. :) I was just thinking of changing profession and looking for a job at Larry's yacht, but unfortunately first of all they search for developers and consultants: https://irecruitment.oracle.com/OA_HTML/OA.jsp?page=/o

Re: [The Java Posse] What If You were Oracle CEO

2010-08-23 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 15:46, jitesh dundas wrote: > Since we have so many  experts in our group, I was wondering if you > could put yourself in the shoes of Larry Ellison and decide about the > latest happenings in your company. > Also,I would love to hear about your plans  for the future of Ora

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

2010-08-23 Thread Wildam Martin
There is talked only about layoffs at Oracle, but they also told that they are hiring. Where do the new people go to work? On JavaFX? Oracle Database? - Or what? -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [The Java Posse] Swing LaF / Synth skins

2010-08-22 Thread Wildam Martin
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 18:44, Alexey Zinger wrote: > I suppose there are only so many ways to present the same half a dozen > differently behaving widgets in a generic, usable and professional manner. > Did you see this page: > http://www.taranfx.com/best-java-swing-look-and-feel-themes-professio

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Thoughts on google app inventor.

2010-08-17 Thread Wildam Martin
If it will ever be finished it falls into the category of RAD tools I would say. There have been times when there was a good market for those tools and I used Magic II for many years with a high productivity. But IMHO those times are gone, because a) Flexibility in general is not given in the sa

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

2010-08-17 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 21:10, Casper Bang wrote: > Perhaps I am overreacting. But I'm also thinking within the context of > a canned OpenSolaris and the subtle degradation of NetBeans. OK, OpenSolaris is being dropped, but NetBeans?!? Take a look at the timeline: http://netbeans.org/community/r

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Shuttleworth: Oracle's Java Lawsuit 'An Extremely Unsophisticated Move'

2010-08-17 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:45, Kevin Wright wrote: > Obviously this is totally dependant on how everything turns out, and what > Oracle really wants here, but I think that Martin has historical precedent > behind his arguments. I have seen for myself and customers (not only our own customers). If

Re: [The Java Posse] If Android is not Java then why do so many classes have "java" in their name ? TIC

2010-08-17 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:04, Kevin Wright wrote: > *sigh*, lawyers... At least here in Austria it used to be one of the shortest studies (don't know after the changes trying to get international compliancy). So if you want to get a title fast, getting a lawyer is a good option. Maybe that is wh

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Shuttleworth: Oracle's Java Lawsuit 'An Extremely Unsophisticated Move'

2010-08-17 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:48, Miroslav Pokorny wrote: > Yes they dont exist in isolation, > but its not like current customers have an option, they cant just leave > Oracle products, its not like there are drop in replacements. Its just > cheaper and easier to continue as is, rather than drastica

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Shuttleworth: Oracle's Java Lawsuit 'An Extremely Unsophisticated Move'

2010-08-16 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 02:06, mP wrote: > It might seem like a heartless greedy opportunity by many but their > opinion overall does not count. Oracle does not care what you, me or > Mark and Unbuntu community say. It's a fact that you can't exist as a human being in isolation. Even Larry and St

Re: [The Java Posse] Disappointment in Oracle

2010-08-16 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 04:53, work only wrote: > Oracle/Sun is protecting Java, you just can't have any company (Google) > implement a Java environment that does not follow Sun’s specifications! You > need your Java code to run on any JVM! Indeed, that is a good argument IMHO. JME did not have m

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can code katas make you a better programmer?

2010-08-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:39, Mario Fusco wrote: > Now I know a > new technique and I have enriched my programmer's toolbox with another > item. Can you obtain some similar benefits by repeating the same > exercise again and again? Only from rushing over the topic, but this is again similar to t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Dick's Crystal Ball: Oracle sues Google over Android. Facepalm!

2010-08-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:38, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > indeed they are the ones that started playing bully > against Sun, by introducing Dalvik, by forbidding Sun to port JavaFX > on it (bad or good idea that it could be) I did not know that. Thanks for the information. > So, please let's not

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Dick's Crystal Ball: Oracle sues Google over Android. Facepalm!

2010-08-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:38, Casper Bang wrote: > company who should focus more on innovating. Another incentive to > ditch Oracle at work ASAP! Are you talking about Oracle DB only or about Java, VirtualBox, OpenOffice, Solaris, What I really find crazy is, that as soon as there is a lig

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Dick's Crystal Ball: Oracle sues Google over Android. Facepalm!

2010-08-12 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:00, Michael Neale wrote: > All Oracle are doing are making people nervous, confirming fears, and > generally causing a whole lot of frustration when everyone knows there > can be no benefit. Indeed. I am a really convinced Java developer and on whatever languages I look

Re: [The Java Posse] HTML 5????

2010-08-11 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:16, Kirk wrote: > apparently this is implemented in HTML 5. http://muro.deviantart.com/ > If so, it might not matter that the iPad doesn't support flash. http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/10aug/uf014211.gif -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Strange hint since NetBeans update to 6.9(.1)

2010-08-11 Thread Wildam Martin
ty classes final... It is a long time I do plan to use findbugs but so far didn't have the time. That said, it seems that more and more findbug features find their way into NetBeans and by updating NetBeans I also get more and more of findbugs. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:52, Wildam Martin

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Strange hint since NetBeans update to 6.9(.1)

2010-08-11 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:41, Jan Van Besien wrote: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3404301/whats-wrong-with-overridable-method-calls-in-constructors Oh yes, the parent class has not finished initialization when the constructor of the child class is used - I forgot about that and I even for

[The Java Posse] Strange hint since NetBeans update to 6.9(.1)

2010-08-11 Thread Wildam Martin
I have a constructor of a normal class and within that I call another public method. Now NetBeans wants me to make the complete class final or change the public method to final, static or private. I assume that is because of possible derivations of the class. But if somebody subclasses this class

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans 6.9.1 + jdk1.6.0_21 - Swing forms not loaded into Matisse

2010-08-10 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 08:20, Wildam Martin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 02:01, Eugene Ho wrote: >> Which Update 21 - b06 company name "Oracle" or b07 company name >> "Sun" ? I have b06 and my Matisse forms are loading on NB 6.9.1 > build 1.6.0_21

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans 6.9.1 + jdk1.6.0_21 - Swing forms not loaded into Matisse

2010-08-10 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 02:01, Eugene Ho wrote: > Which Update 21 - b06 company name "Oracle" or b07 company name > "Sun" ? I have b06 and my Matisse forms are loading on NB 6.9.1 build 1.6.0_21-b06 - so it is Build 6 - Sorry that I didn't write that earlier but I didn't know that there are sever

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans 6.9 does not create lib folder and contents any more

2010-08-10 Thread Wildam Martin
yway created. For the plugins where they are distributable programs I can do it the way described above and at the same time I have some information output for those who try to run it standalone. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:26, Wildam Martin wrote: > Hi folks, > > I noticed yesterday, that for

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans 6.9.1 + jdk1.6.0_21 - Swing forms not loaded into Matisse

2010-08-10 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 15:42, Wildam Martin wrote: > I upgraded NetBeans from 6.9 to 6.9.1 and Java to jdk1.6.0_21 on my > Ubuntu box (development machine) and now I experienced a serious > problem: NetBeans matisse (Swing GUI WYSIWYG editor) is not loading - > even simplest - dial

[The Java Posse] NetBeans 6.9.1 + jdk1.6.0_21 - Swing forms not loaded into Matisse

2010-08-10 Thread Wildam Martin
Holy sh**, I upgraded NetBeans from 6.9 to 6.9.1 and Java to jdk1.6.0_21 on my Ubuntu box (development machine) and now I experienced a serious problem: NetBeans matisse (Swing GUI WYSIWYG editor) is not loading - even simplest - dialogs any more! NetBeans completely hangs! Is this a bug or am I

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Scala is complete esoteric nonsense!

2010-08-09 Thread Wildam Martin
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 16:06, Viktor Klang wrote: > this discussion is becoming more and more blurred. > There are infinitely different situations with different needs and different > constraints, there is no point in trying to argue that solution X will work > for everyone. I think the OP fully

Re: [The Java Posse] Netbeans updates failing

2010-08-09 Thread Wildam Martin
I had a different error which was due to the fact that I did an install via sudo and the updates could not update all files. I ended up in uninstalling, downloading the full 6.9.1 package and reinstalling using a different folder in /opt/netbeans (to which I gave full permissions and changed owner

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Scala is complete esoteric nonsense!

2010-08-06 Thread Wildam Martin
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 00:09, Kevin Wright wrote: > Unlike certain religions/cults, there's no limit on how many are > allowed to be enlightened here :) The limit is the level of intelligence required to master the language. If only the 10 smartest people in the world are intelligent enough to ma

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Scala is complete esoteric nonsense!

2010-08-06 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 16:42, Kevin Wright wrote: > Esoteric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esotericism) is "That which is known > to enlightened people" > Abstract Nonsense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_nonsense) describes > a class of mathematical proof that is well regarded for its soph

[The Java Posse] NetBeans 6.9 does not create lib folder and contents any more

2010-08-06 Thread Wildam Martin
Hi folks, I noticed yesterday, that for libraries on build it does not create any more the lib folder and copy the needed jars there (for applications it still does - see http://forums.netbeans.org/topic30087.html). This is an issue for me as I am writing plugins and I need an easy way to copy al

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Linux power saving utility

2010-08-04 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 14:09, Casper Bang wrote: > No, powernowd is a just userspace client deamon much like cpufreqd > (which I happen to be using). Both interact with the sysfs interface. > Your Ubuntu system likely already runs with a modern kernel-level > scaling power governor, i.e. on my 10.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Linux power saving utility

2010-08-04 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:53, Casper Bang wrote: > Just a note since I have metered power outlets and have been > investigating power aspects for a long time. I have NOT been able to > measure any advantage in power consumption using the granola userspace > governor rather than Ubuntu's on-demand

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Linux power saving utility

2010-08-04 Thread Wildam Martin
I am about to try this but I can't find any hint in the documentation if this can be turned easily on and off - just for the case I get problems after installation. Can this be easily completely turned off (and back on) if installed? -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Y

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Scala is complete esoteric nonsense!

2010-08-03 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 18:28, Dick Wall wrote: > or doing it with anonymous inner classes: > > Arrays.sort(list, new Comparator() { >  public int compare(Object o1, Object o2) { >    String s1 = (String) o1; >    String s2 = (String) o2; >    return s1.toLowerCase().compareTo(s2.toLowerCase()); >

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Scala is complete esoteric nonsense!

2010-08-03 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 13:39, Kevin Wright wrote: > On 3 August 2010 09:41, Wildam Martin wrote: >> 1. Strangely too many different possibly approaches to implement the same >> thing. >> I like to have options, but where it makes sense. I mean, I already >> have two

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Scala is complete esoteric nonsense!

2010-08-03 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 03:59, Kevin Wright wrote: > FWIW, my honest beliefs: > Static typing has definite benefits, but verbose implementations (*cough* > like Java's) have given it a bad name Scala is both easier and harder than > Java. I think, verbosity is exaggerated. Everything less verbose

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Scala is complete esoteric nonsense!

2010-08-01 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:40, Blanford wrote: > There seems to be a Scala movement gaining steam on this site. Too much for my favor... > I hate to break it to you all, but Scala will be going absolutely > nowhere!! ...but this is maybe to harsh. > There are many reasons for this: > 1. Scal

Re: [The Java Posse] Blogs

2010-08-01 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:32, jahid wrote: > Anyone knows any better+popular+free blogging site? I was trying to > use www.blogger.com, but does not seems like they take care of code. > So the code appears really bad on the output. One option is also to use http://pastebin.com/ -- Martin Wilda

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Google Engineer Decries Complexity of Java, C++

2010-08-01 Thread Wildam Martin
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:06, Blanford wrote: > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/07/23/1838243 I have read that but don't really see much truth in there. > I have wondered this for years, how Java could be the language of > choice for web application design. This sentence coul

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Helios vs Sun

2010-07-24 Thread Wildam Martin
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 14:15, Lhasadad wrote: > The reality is the Posse has a thing about Eclipse.  I ignore it, > but its there. the discussion on NetBeans when the latest > version came out was timely and all positive. It is about two years ago, that I compared Eclipse to NetBeans. I also hav

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Helios vs Sun

2010-07-23 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 08:53, Neil Bartlett wrote: > Actually the competition that IBM wanted to eclipse was -- and still > is -- Visual Studio. And this is the most important competition - Sometimes when I see people using different Linux distributions arguing against each other or developers u

Re: [The Java Posse] Android development overview and limitations

2010-07-21 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:41, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > You probably don't realize, but you've asked a $100,000 question (not > a million, indeed, but just a magnitudo below). :-) No, I didn't - I was just thinking to be too stupid to work it out... (It's always my first assumption that it is my

[The Java Posse] Android development overview and limitations

2010-07-21 Thread Wildam Martin
Hi folks, I do currently not have any Android project, but however, as so much time is taken for Android on the podcast, I would like to know I got a short overview at: http://www.dalvikvm.com/ which I found by searching the internet - currently the shortest understandable introduction I got: ==

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Google Groups

2010-07-19 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 15:15, Christian Catchpole wrote: > Around my bed, I hire out of > work actors to re-enact the members of the Java Posse.. but that bit > is a bit creepy so I won't go into any more detail... Aha! I guess you have stolen the hat... -- Martin Wildam -- You received this

[The Java Posse] Terms and understanding in IT business (was: Choosing a Java web framework - with security as a focus)

2010-07-19 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 03:54, Alan Kent wrote: > He asked "what is security".  He went on to talk about > the marines, army, air force, navy, etc - each would have a different > interpretation of "securing a building" - (invade and kill everyone, put a > fence around, lock the doors when you leav

Re: [The Java Posse] Google Groups

2010-07-16 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:13, Vince O'Sullivan wrote: > Is Google Groups the only way to view this forum? I read it over my gmail account. -- Martin Wildam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email

Re: [The Java Posse] Choosing a Java web framework.

2010-07-16 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 19:19, Moandji Ezana wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Wildam Martin wrote: >> OK, might not scale well, the Open Office generated html will be nice >> and blablabla, but who cares - a simple solution was asked. What do >> you think? > Expo

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is functional programming "abstract nonsense"?

2010-07-16 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 16:09, Nick wrote: > OO > does mimic the way we view the world in its focus on objects or > nouns. Think about how you would describe a scene to someone, you > would focus on the objects and then describe attributes or things they > are doing. "There is a road, its full o

Re: [The Java Posse] Choosing a Java web framework.

2010-07-15 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 16:42, Kevin Wright wrote: >> You can use JPA entities as >> the model, Session beans to provide REST endpoints (controller), and HTML >> with JavaScript (dojo, jquery, etc) to provide the view. >> [...] > You think this is a simple solution? I tried something completely o

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Distributing Java program on Ubuntu 10

2010-07-15 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 14:47, Kevin Wright wrote: > You can even build rpm/deb/dmg files via Maven plugins. > For bonus points, also deploy them to a repository as secondary artefacts THIS can be a good reason to use Maven. Nobody told me that so far. Thanks. -- Martin Wildam -- You received

Re: [The Java Posse] Distributing Java program on Ubuntu 10

2010-07-15 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 13:47, rhythmchicago wrote: > The Java program runs great on Ubuntu. The only problem is giving a > user a nice "Shortcut" in the menu and on the desktop. I wrote a shell > script and placed it in the application directory, but the shell > script won't run if a execute it f

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is functional programming "abstract nonsense"?

2010-07-15 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 09:54, Mario Fusco wrote: > What always surprise me is that > it often looks more similar to a religious or at least ideological > discussion than a technical one. Could please somebody explain me why? Maybe the reasons are similar as different people prefer different lang

Re: [The Java Posse] Choosing a Java web framework.

2010-07-15 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:36, Carl Jokl wrote: > I hope this discussion does not devolve to the point that I wish I > hadn't asked ROTFL! I evaluated several frameworks a little bit and still I am not really satisfied with any of those - but maybe my requirements are too sophisticated. ;-) Tha

Re: [The Java Posse] Is functional programming "abstract nonsense"?

2010-07-14 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 15:29, Kevin Wright wrote: >   "Future programming *will* be (at least partly) functional in nature, the > needs of concurrency demand it!" > vs >   "Object-Orientation works, expanding Java like this just > adds unnecessary complexity, and FP has never really left academia

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Java on 64-bit Windows 7

2010-07-14 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 14:10, rhythmchicago wrote: > I've never opened a ticket with Microsoft before. I do tend to avoid > them.  :-)  Where does one file a ticket? If your customer has appropriate contracts with Microsoft there should be a contact. Ask your customer for their contacts to Micro

[The Java Posse] LINQ (was: Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated)

2010-07-14 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 13:02, Casper Bang wrote: > There are caveats, but yes it's nice and KISS. It's superior in many > ways to Hibernate since the providers are working with expression > trees rather than static queries and thus only fetches the data you > need, when you need it. Note though t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 19:46, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > Back to the original topic, I think that the pessimistic guys are not > considering a point: twenty years ago the average software project was > *much* simpler than today. I mean, there were not Internet, the > related massive scalability is

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 17:44, Lyle wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Wildam Martin wrote: >> BTW: Java already allows this: >>  for (Object object : list) >> { >> } > This just illustrates the point I'm trying to make. So you're okay > with t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Java on 64-bit Windows 7

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 06:26, rhythmchicago wrote: > So, the problem has turned out to be that the server device will send > out an ACK request from time to time. It sends the ACK out on port > 50001. On the Win 7 machine, the .read operation on the socket blocks > when this happens, even though

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 16:07, Kevin Wright wrote: > So threads are enterprise, but databases are not? I just meant, that some software architectures use a huge stack of libraries and frameworks. And I know that also can make a lot of sense. But there are people who are using such a stack even wh

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 16:03, Kevin Wright wrote: > SQL is turing-complete, so is XSL-T > (though not XML, that's just an SGML format) > for that matter, so are Perl-5 regular expressions. > and turing completeness really is the only valid criteria for judging > whether or not something is a "pro

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 15:59, Kevin Wright wrote: > The idea of silently having an object always persisted is certainly an > appealing one. > Shame it doesn't work so well in practice,  in order to avoid issues of > persisting an object (or multiple related objects) in an inconsistent state > we

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 15:40, jitesh dundas wrote: > I think XML is a really good way of reducing the coding efforts..What is > wrong with XML...HIbernate uses XML so I guess that is one of the strengths > of the same.. I can tell you what is wrong with XML: It takes longer to get the XML right

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 14:48, Lyle wrote: >> I think there is a difference between boilerplate and meaningful >> variable and function names! > There is nothing preventing you from writing meaningful identifiers in > non-Java languages. No, but if you choose longer identifier names then using fu

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:59, Kevin Wright wrote: > Having IDEs write boilerplate for you is NEVER the correct solution, not > until they can read it for you as well. I think there is a difference between boilerplate and meaningful variable and function names! >  The cost of writing code is tr

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-13 Thread Wildam Martin
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 06:29, Oscar Hsieh wrote: > Well, someone need to balance the force ... so let me take on the other > side. Thanks, I already somehow got the impression being quite the only person here that sees some of the currently hyped (real programming) languages and paradigms from a

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: It is hard to be a good developer

2010-07-12 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 18:18, Carl Jokl wrote: > I found it hard in many instances as a new developer because so many > people have strong opinions and will want you to do things their way. > Many of these people though can be wrong. With so many conflicting > opinions it can be hard to know whic

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-12 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 16:25, Kevin Wright wrote: > Of course, chances are you'll then reach a stage of frustration with > single-abstract-methods, and having to write getters on an immutable object > just to keep some 3rd party library (i.e. Spring) happy, and marshalling > exceptions through st

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-12 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 14:28, Carl Jokl wrote: > As much as I have favourites I am not prepared to cut of my nose to > spite my face or make myself a martyr by sticking to just one platform > and refusing to use anything else. It is not, that I am refusing the rest, but I definitely can't get an

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-12 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:38, Kevin Wright wrote: > "I can also see that my current approach really wouldn't sit well on a > machine with 100s of cores, as it is I already HATE debugging deadlocks and > race conditions - and that's only on 2 cores!" I think I did not yet pass beond this phase. :

[The Java Posse] It is hard to be a good developer

2010-07-12 Thread Wildam Martin
Within my newsfeeds today I found an article that in point 2. talks about the 10 000 hour rule (I heard this before but did not think further about it): http://thinksimplenow.com/happiness/how-to-have-good-luck/ This means that with an approx of 150 working hours per year it takes more than 8 year

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-12 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:27, Kevin Wright wrote: > All developers work with multiple languages on a daily basis. > Java (procedural/OO) > SQL (declarative) > XSLT (declarative) > build tool scripting (declarative) > shell script (procedural/OO) > JavaScript (OO/functional) > etc. Aha, I think I

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-11 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:18, Kevin Wright wrote: > Not at all!  It's as though I've said "a screwdriver is often a better tool > than a hammer", but you're only interested in hanging picture frames. OK, I understand... >  I'm saying that (for a given problem) functional programming will give

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-11 Thread Wildam Martin
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 13:36, Kevin Wright wrote: > declarative paradigm: > - SQL for database queries > - JavaFX for GUI work > - XSL-T for "document" processing > functional paradigm: > - highly concurrent + stable telecoms switches using Erlang > - reactive programming against a 2D scene graph

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-11 Thread Wildam Martin
2010/7/11 Kevin Wright : > Modularity is good practice in any language, but it isn't an automatic > cure-all. There are some problems that really demand a paradigm shift for > the best solution (i.e. to a functional or declarative model) > Such a shift can't simply be achieved through writing small

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-10 Thread Wildam Martin
I tend to think that the features of a programming language itself is often overrated. I mean, who cares about about a particular thing you can solve in 1 line of code in Scala (or whatever) instead of using 3 or 5 in Java. Basically, all work I need more than 5 lines of code for it, gets a a subro

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-09 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 16:41, Carl Jokl wrote: > I think that when it comes to a point that the major Universities > start teaching something other than Java as the main teaching language > it would be a fairly good litmus test that Java was in real decline. And what is current status at universi

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Rumours of Java's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

2010-07-09 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 16:01, robilad wrote: >> I really wonder, why there is no RISE in Java. > If you're taking the TIOBE index seriously, take another > look at the methodology. I know that they are using web search results or something like this (if I remember right) and I take the statistic

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Java on 64-bit Windows 7

2010-07-09 Thread Wildam Martin
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 15:12, rhythmchicago wrote: > We're seeing the slower performance, even when the Win 7 machine is > far more powerful than the Windows XP. Our real problem is that some > of the transmissions out of the TCP/IP port seem to get lost or > filtered. We're using Java for real-ti

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