RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-05 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 16:59, Micheal J wrote: This is wrong IMO. You might not like their views/question but they are entitled to them. I agree that [some of] this thread should have happened on a JBoss general/business discussion list though ;-) A request to move it to the appropriate list

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-05 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 16:59, Micheal J wrote: This is wrong IMO. You might not like their views/question but they are entitled to them. I agree that [some of] this thread should have happened on a JBoss general/business discussion list though ;-) A request to move it to the appropriate list

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Bill Burke
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hicks, James Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:30 AM To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? Let me start off by saying that I

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Aaron Mulder
But you've got to admit, it would be a real bummer if your company invested time, talent, and money and *then* you were all removed from the mailing lists. Aaron (wondering if he'll need a Hotmail account to read the replies...) On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote: Don't take

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Bill Burke
True. Now I feel bad for the guy. :( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aaron Mulder Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:09 AM To: jBoss Developer Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? But you've got

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Hicks, James
] time is up, where is adam heath? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hicks, James Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:30 AM To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath

Re: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Peter Fagerlund
on 1-12-04 16.30, Hicks, James at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can relate to some points Ean Schuessler made. Now, I am not attacking anyone on this list or the JBoss Group, I just want to raise a few issues. Yes -very good -use the jboss bussines list for those QA's - or lets set up a Heat

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Vincent Harcq
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hicks, James Sent: mardi 4 décembre 2001 16:30 To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? Let me start off by saying that I don't know what initially sparked

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Hicks, James
You must have fallen and bumped your head. James -Original Message- From: Vincent Harcq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:12 PM To: 'Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net' Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? You are at a restaurant

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Jason Dillon
BTW, Marc was just iterating what a lot of us were thinking but were too afraid to say. Put up or shut up dude. I did submit a patch to build.xml to do what I want. No one seems to recall that. I have that patch, just have not had time to deal with it yet. --jason

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Jason Dillon wrote: BTW, Marc was just iterating what a lot of us were thinking but were too afraid to say. Put up or shut up dude. I did submit a patch to build.xml to do what I want. No one seems to recall that. I have that patch, just have not had time to

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-04 Thread Micheal J
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc fleury Sent: 04 December 2001 14:56 To: Dain Sundstrom; 'Adam Heath'; Bill Burke Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath

Re: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, marc fleury wrote: I said I would check on him. Yes, you did. So where is the code that integrates apache, anything to add to what was commited by scott? It's in 2.4.3. crocodile skin makes great underwear We got a new crocodile? or a new RW? rw soldiers perform

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread marc fleury
|I will not work on stuff that I am not paid to do, or that I do not feel a |connection to on a psychological level. | |I am being paid to Debianize jboss. So that is what I am working on. I am |doing this for 2.4.3(and soon, will migrate to 2.4.4), as that is |the stable |released version of

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 15:53, marc fleury wrote: I seriously doubt you are a developer of anything kid... I usually wouldn't credit this kind of bait with a response, but since I am considering doing business with your organization I suppose that it is worth exploring. Adam Heath is one of my

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, marc fleury wrote: I seriously doubt you are a developer of anything kid... See, this is why I didn't respond to your ultimatum email a week ago. I had a suspicion that you would only answer with a pure flame. I guess I was proven right. At this point a person, only

Re: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Peter Fagerlund
on 1-12-04 03.55, Ean Schuessler at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the JBoss group a non-profit, not-for-profit? You are still in the last century ? are You not ? it is a new dawn here ! glowing ... /peter_f Only fools se darkness in the night - the wise se a vault of azure

Re: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 21:30, Peter Fagerlund wrote: You are still in the last century ? are You not ? it is a new dawn here ! glowing ... Please, spare me the rhetoric. I know plenty about mixing business and Free Software. There only a few things I can so far detect about JBoss: - The code

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 21:30, Peter Fagerlund wrote: You are still in the last century ? are You not ? it is a new dawn here ! glowing ... Please, spare me the rhetoric. I know plenty about mixing business and Free Software. There only a few things I can so far detect about JBoss:

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Burke
Are there others out there in the jboss world, that have a bit of common sense or decency? I certainly haven't seen any coming from little old marc here. Adam, you need to eat a piece of humble pie. If you had taken it upon yourself to contribute the tomcat-jboss integration, we would

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Burke
: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:56 PM To: marc fleury Cc: Adam Heath; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 15:53, marc fleury wrote: I seriously doubt you are a developer of anything kid... I usually wouldn't

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 21:59, Dain Sundstrom wrote: - Marc seems to have complete ownership of the domain and, more importantly, the trademark. (http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=docstate=3k4bgs.4.1) so - Marc has retained Larry Rosen, who is also associated with the Open

Re: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Andreas Schaefer
:05 PM Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? Ean, Adam Heath is getting flamed because he has been a jerk. You don't go on these lists demanding features and bashing people because certain features don't work to a community of developers who mostly all work for free! I

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Dain Sundstrom
-Original Message- From: Ean Schuessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:11 PM To: Dain Sundstrom Cc: Peter Fagerlund; marc fleury; Adam Heath; Jboss-Development@Lists. \ \ Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 22:43, Dain Sundstrom wrote: You are performing due diligence. You see things you have not seen before and they give you a queasy feeling. (right?) So what don't you like? Try to start a discussion, and ask questions instead of writing vague accusations. Fair enough.

Re: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Scott M Stark
on. Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC - Original Message - From: Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Dain Sundstrom
Now we are getting somewhere. On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 22:43, Dain Sundstrom wrote: You are performing due diligence. You see things you have not seen before and they give you a queasy feeling. (right?) So what don't you like? Try to start a discussion, and ask questions instead of

Re: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 23:21, Scott M Stark wrote: So a request for what seemed to be a platform specific distribution of a platform independent project did not go over well and some flamed you. Denigrating the rest of the developer community because of this doesn't add to the quality of the

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote: Ean, Adam Heath is getting flamed because he has been a jerk. You don't go on these lists demanding features and bashing people because certain features don't work to a community of developers who mostly all work for free! I secretly applauded Marc

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Burke
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ean Schuessler Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:00 AM To: Dain Sundstrom Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 22:43, Dain

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote: Adam, you need to eat a piece of humble pie. If you had taken it upon yourself to contribute the tomcat-jboss integration, we would have all applauded your efforts and gladly offered our support and guidance to your problems. As I said in another

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote: Who on this list has the time, energy, and/or money to support/run this type of organization? That's just it. This entire list would run it. It wouldn't be any one person, or any one small group of people.

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Burke
YOu don't get it. We don't need this organization. Things are running just fine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adam Heath Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:02 AM To: JBoss Development Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 23:46, Bill Burke wrote: - What formal guarantees are there that my contributions will not be used to create a for-profit proprietary product? You're protected as much as LGPL. You'll have to ask a lawyer. I hate lawyers and I hate licenses. I believe in brutal

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Burke
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ean Schuessler Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 23:46, Bill

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Burke
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adam Heath Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:33 AM To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote

RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?

2001-12-03 Thread Dain Sundstrom
04, 2001 1:21 AM To: Bill Burke Cc: Adam Heath; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote: Didn't see your patch, sorryWell, I actualy couldn't find it after looking a little bit