Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-04-01 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
The KolorManager project has been moved to extragear/graphics . Thanks to all who helped with that. kind regards Kai-Uwe Behrmann -- www.oyranos.org

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-31 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Saturday 31 March 2012 Mar, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: > Given the recent discussions in this thread, there is not something > fundamentally technical to change inside KolorManager. Many have expressed > the opinion to move it not into kdegraphics ATM and use kdeextragear > instead. > > As mos

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-31 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 11:26 +0100 schrieb Kai-Uwe Behrmann: Request ID: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295987 About: KolorManager is a front end to the Oyranos Colour Management System (CMS). Why: Colour Management is a important part of modern desktops. It helps designers to improve colour usabi

Re: Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-19 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 16.03.12, 17:05 +0100 schrieb Alex Fiestas: On Friday, March 16, 2012 03:09:39 PM John Layt wrote: Here's my pragmatic take on it, without judging the merits of either project or their champions, and not knowing what the implications for application developers are. At the moment I believe we

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-17 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2012-03-14, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > And btw. colord is a XDG project, not a GNOME project. Yes, it was > started by a GNOME developer, but this doesn't make it a GNOME > project. It is developed independent from GNOME. Being a freedesktop.org project in the sense of being hosted at

Re: Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-16 Thread Alex Fiestas
On Friday, March 16, 2012 03:09:39 PM John Layt wrote: > Here's my pragmatic take on it, without judging the merits of either project > or their champions, and not knowing what the implications for application > developers are. > > At the moment I believe we are only talking about KCM Modules to c

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-16 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/3/16 John Layt : > On Wednesday 14 Mar 2012 15:54:54 Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> Hi! >> Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a >> FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "standard", but does mean that >> it's not GNOME) So everyone is free to contribute to it, and th

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-16 Thread John Layt
On Wednesday 14 Mar 2012 04:36:12 Daniel Nicoletti wrote: > > Request: > > > > After working on KolorManager and Oyranos in the past months for the last > > Oyranos-0.4.0 release, we feel the stack is ready to review for inclusion > > into KDE. > > KolorManager resides currently in Playground/Grap

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-16 Thread John Layt
On Wednesday 14 Mar 2012 15:54:54 Matthias Klumpp wrote: > Hi! > Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a > FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "standard", but does mean that > it's not GNOME) So everyone is free to contribute to it, and the > maintainer is interested

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Michael Pyne schrieb: >On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 20:43:59 Daniel Nicoletti wrote: >> > On the other hand if there are things that a mere 'power user' >might >> > >> > find >> > useful (that colord will not be supporting due to scope) then it >might >> > make >> > sense to have extra U/I if Oy

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Pyne
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:11:34 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: > Am 14.03.12, 22:15 -0400 schrieb Michael Pyne: > > The problem is that the software is /like/ KDE but doesn't use any KDE > > technologies. To best utilize a given subsystem we would typically use at > > least a light abstraction layer,

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Pyne
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 20:43:59 Daniel Nicoletti wrote: > > On the other hand if there are things that a mere 'power user' might > > > > find > > useful (that colord will not be supporting due to scope) then it might > > make > > sense to have extra U/I if Oyranos is available. Perhaps mult

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 15.03.12, 09:39 -0300 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti: 2012/3/15 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : ... and do caching, lookup, perhaps wrapping of CMMs and so one. Would it not be nice to share that? Really caching of so small files? If you cache small files you have an unneeded overhead at best and a complex sol

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/3/15 Alexander Neundorf : > On Thursday 15 March 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: > ... >> In my humble opinion we should just wait and see what of them last longer >> and healthier. > > +1 I agree with that too :) Maybe wait a few months and then check the new situation. (or rediscuss the old one if

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Thursday 15 March 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: ... > In my humble opinion we should just wait and see what of them last longer > and healthier. +1 Alex

Re: Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Alex Fiestas
Don't know the best place to reply, so I guess that this is as good as any. We don't need to choose right now, colord-kde just started and Oyranos is just starting to make noise thanks to KColorManager, where is the hurry to choose a side? it seems to me that some people are using this "fight" t

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Thursday 15 March 2012, Thomas Zander escreveu: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 20.31.30 Lamarque V. Souza wrote: > > I said I wanted the most versatile, which means one that > > satisfies > > > > my needs and somebody else's needs. > > The requirement for 'most versatile' doesn'

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
2012/3/15 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : > ... and do caching, lookup, perhaps wrapping of CMMs and so one. Would it > not be nice to share that? Really caching of so small files? If you cache small files you have an unneeded overhead at best and a complex solution at worst. > That is a apple against orange p

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 15.03.12, 13:09 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: Basic design of system color management is that each input (scanner etc) and each output (monitor, printer) has to have assigned a personal color profile. That is not as simple as that. You must include the driver, the colour related driver setti

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Thomas Zander
On Wednesday 14 March 2012 20.31.30 Lamarque V. Souza wrote: I said I wanted the most versatile, which means one that satisfies my needs and somebody else's needs. The requirement for 'most versatile' doesn't follow in that sentence. You are making a logic error, or at least taking t

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 14:29 -0700 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti: If CUPS is locally installed this means it can just send the job color corrected! Am 15.03.12, 04:11 -0700 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti: So far colour conversion happens on the end machine. That is the one, which is connected to the device. That

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 15.03.12, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Stas Verberkt: On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 14:22:54 Sune Vuorela wrote: There's a few major points which I think if can be answered would help clarify what that would look like: Indeed, this discussion is going places, but does not really come up with answers. A

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 15.03.12, 08:06 -0300 schrieb Lamarque V. Souza: Maybe, that is something that needs to be discussed with oyranos' community. By what I read in this thread elektra is still maintained and is optional, not sure about fltk. FLTK is optional. The core library is toolkit independent and

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 22:15 -0400 schrieb Michael Pyne: On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 14:22:54 Sune Vuorela wrote: I would really prefer to at least have one common gui. preferably just one stack. But if we have to have two competing stacks until one of them dies, then I guess we will just have to live wi

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
> So far colour conversion happens on the end machine. That is the one, > which is connected to the device. That fits to what Michael Sweet says about > early versus late colour binding, suggesting that early colour binding can > cause > gigabytes of traffic, while late colour bind will have no

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Thursday 15 March 2012, Daniel Nicoletti escreveu: > >Like I also help with Wicd support in KDE, Kopete, and other areas of > >interests for KDE users. I do not use Wicd, but I help KDE users of Wicd > >even before I was the Network Management maintainer. By the way, I am not > >driven by FDO in

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 20:39 -0700 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti: Like I also help with Wicd support in KDE, Kopete, and other areas of interests for KDE users. I do not use Wicd, but I help KDE users of Wicd even before I was the Network Management maintainer. By the way, I am not driven by FDO interests. W

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 20:43 -0700 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti: On the other hand if there are things that a mere 'power user' might  find useful (that colord will not be supporting due to scope) then it might make sense to have extra U/I if Oyranos is available. Perhaps multi-monitor CMS would fit the b

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 14:29 -0700 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti: 2012/3/14 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : It is indeed relevant because now we have a central place to configure it. And users need to manage and error check everything themself. I would not use that in a professional environment, where time counts.

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 17:04 +0100 schrieb Matthias Klumpp: 2012/3/14 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : Am 14.03.12, 15:54 +0100 schrieb Matthias Klumpp: [...] I also want to point you to this comparison colord against Oryanos: => http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/faq.html#oyranos Matthias, you help spreadin

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-15 Thread Stas Verberkt
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 14:22:54 Sune Vuorela wrote: > There's a few major points which I think if can be answered would > help clarify what that would look like: Indeed, this discussion is going places, but does not really come up with answers. As someone who has no understanding of colour

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
> On the other hand if there are things that a mere 'power user' might  > find > useful (that colord will not be supporting due to scope) then it might make > sense to have extra U/I if Oyranos is available. Perhaps multi-monitor CMS > would fit the bill (assuming colord will not support). I'm

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
>Like I also help with Wicd support in KDE, Kopete, and other areas of >interests for KDE users. I do not use Wicd, but I help KDE users of Wicd even >before I was the Network Management maintainer. By the way, I am not driven by >FDO interests. We are using upower/udisks because there is no oth

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Daniel Nicoletti escreveu: > >Oyranos were against the patch, Kai-Uwe already said that and explained > >why. The fact that there is patch does not mean it is the correct way to > >do things. The fact that it is not integrated upstream can also mean cups > >developers t

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Michael Pyne
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 14:22:54 Sune Vuorela wrote: > I would really prefer to at least have one common gui. preferably just > one stack. But if we have to have two competing stacks until one of them > dies, then I guess we will just have to live with it. But do it with a > common gui. pretty

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Sven Langkamp
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 Mar, Daniel Nicoletti wrote: > > > Request: > > > > > After working on KolorManager and Oyranos in the past months for the > last > > > Oyranos-0.4.0 release, we feel the stack is ready to review for > inclusion

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
>Oyranos were against the patch, Kai-Uwe already said that and explained why. >The fact that  >there is patch does not mean it is the correct way to do things. The fact that >it is not integrated >upstream can also mean cups developers to do not like it. Do you know what >they think about the pa

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Matthias Klumpp escreveu: > Speaking of project activity: > => https://www.ohloh.net/p/colord > => https://www.ohloh.net/p/oyranos > Of course there metrics are unfair to both projects (metrics always > are), but they might provide some information about activity, > cont

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Daniel Nicoletti escreveu: > > So you are saying your original argument is not valid anymore? > > Where is the Oyranos CUPS patch? All I see is a planning since as > far as I can tell he didn't decide the best way to do it, OTOH we have > something that already works fo

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Speaking of project activity: => https://www.ohloh.net/p/colord => https://www.ohloh.net/p/oyranos Of course there metrics are unfair to both projects (metrics always are), but they might provide some information about activity, contributors and codebase. (although I don't think we should pay too m

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
> So you are saying your original argument is not valid anymore? Where is the Oyranos CUPS patch? All I see is a planning since as far as I can tell he didn't decide the best way to do it, OTOH we have something that already works for a bunch of people. > I said I wanted the most versatile, which

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Daniel Nicoletti escreveu: > >As long as you patch cups and all other applications to use. Oyranos is > >also a central place > > > > to do color management as far as I know, this argument is valid for both. > > It is valid once it's written, once there is a line of cod

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
>As long as you patch cups and all other applications to use. Oyranos is also a >central place > to do color management as far as I know, this argument is valid for both. It is valid once it's written, once there is a line of code doing it's job. Or we can just play politics. You say you want t

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Daniel Nicoletti escreveu: > 2012/3/14 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : > > CUPS is a cross platform solution. It works with colour management on osX > > fine. IMO that recommendation on Debian has to do with colord in Gnome > > and that colord needs compiled in support inside CUPS. N

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Wednesday 14 March 2012 Mar, Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander wrote: > > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 21.29.09 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > > The wiki page somebody pointed to mentioned that colord is linux-only, > > > while oyranos also works on Windows and

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/3/14 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : > Am 14.03.12, 21:10 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: >> >> On Wednesday 14 March 2012 18.12.13 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: >>> >>> Am 14.03.12, 17:46 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: That said; Cups also depends on colord. And IMO that has a bigger impact than the gnome

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Weng Xuetian
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Thomas Zander wrote: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: >> > Hi! >> > Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a >> > FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "standard", but does mean that >> > it's not GNOME) >>

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
> 2012/3/14 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : > CUPS is a cross platform solution. It works with colour management on osX > fine. IMO that recommendation on Debian has to do with colord in Gnome and > that colord needs compiled in support inside CUPS. No more no less. This sentence is hard to read but Recommends

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
2012/3/14 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : > CUPS is a cross platform solution. It works with colour management on osX > fine. IMO that recommendation on Debian has to do with colord in Gnome and > that colord needs compiled in support inside CUPS. No more no less. This sentence is hard to read but Recommends i

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
> I know basically nothing about color management systems. > Don't some applications needs some kind of interface to use the color > management system ? > Or is it only for setting up X, the printer, Wayland, etc. > > In the first case, if applications (e.g. krita) need some way to work with the >

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
> I know basically nothing about color management systems. > Don't some applications needs some kind of interface to use the color > management system ? > Or is it only for setting up X, the printer, Wayland, etc. > > In the first case, if applications (e.g. krita) need some way to work with the >

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 22:03 +0100 schrieb Alexander Neundorf: On Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2012 21.29.09 Alexander Neundorf wrote: The wiki page somebody pointed to mentioned that colord is linux-only, while oyranos also works on Windows and OSX. If we chose c

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 21:29 +0100 schrieb Alexander Neundorf: On Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2012 18.12.13 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: Am 14.03.12, 17:46 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: Colord - just to mention

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 21:10 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: On Wednesday 14 March 2012 18.12.13 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: Am 14.03.12, 17:46 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: That said; Cups also depends on colord. And IMO that has a bigger impact than the gnome components that pull it in. colord print CM: CUPS

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander wrote: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 21.29.09 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > The wiki page somebody pointed to mentioned that colord is linux-only, > > while oyranos also works on Windows and OSX. > > > > If we chose colord, how does our solution for Window

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
> The wiki page somebody pointed to mentioned that colord is linux-only, while  > oyranos also works on Windows and OSX. > > If we chose colord, how does our solution for Windows and OSX look like ? > Does kolormanager work under Windows and OSX ? > The wiki page somebody pointed to mentioned tha

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Zander
On Wednesday 14 March 2012 21.29.09 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > The wiki page somebody pointed to mentioned that colord is linux-only, > while oyranos also works on Windows and OSX. > > If we chose colord, how does our solution for Windows and OSX look like ? > Does kolormanager work under Window

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/3/14 Alexander Neundorf : > On Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander wrote: >> On Wednesday 14 March 2012 18.12.13 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: >> > Am 14.03.12, 17:46 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: >> > > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: >> > >>> Colord - just to mention t

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander wrote: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 18.12.13 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: > > Am 14.03.12, 17:46 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: > > > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > >>> Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Zander
On Wednesday 14 March 2012 18.12.13 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: > Am 14.03.12, 17:46 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: > > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > >>> Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a > >>> FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "stand

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Alexander Neundorf escreveu: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012, Lamarque V. Souza wrote: > > Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander escreveu: > > > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > Colord - just to mention that - is also no

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Wednesday 14 March 2012, Lamarque V. Souza wrote: > Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander escreveu: > > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a > > > > FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mea

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Sune Vuorela escreveu: > On 2012-03-14, Lamarque V. Souza wrote: > > I should stop working in Plasma NM then since for distributions that > > > > ships Gnome as default desktop nm-applet is the standard. > > erm. you are aware that colord better can be compared to

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 17:46 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "standard", but does mean that it's not GNOME) Well, no, having something on fr

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-03-14, Lamarque V. Souza wrote: > I should stop working in Plasma NM then since for distributions that > ships Gnome as default desktop nm-applet is the standard. erm. you are aware that colord better can be compared to NetworkManager than to Plasma NM ? /Sune

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander escreveu: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > Hi! > > > Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a > > > FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "standard", but does mean that > > > it's not GNOME) > >

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Thomas Zander escreveu: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.59.55 Lamarque V. Souza wrote: > > Colord is not wide used in KDE and since oyranos includes a wider feature > > set I guess it is more usefull for a wider range of users. > > This assumption seems to not be suppor

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Sune Vuorela escreveu: > On 2012-03-14, Lamarque V. Souza wrote: > > You are talking as if colord is the default standard and well used in > > > > KDE and then out of a suden comes oyranoes trying to replace it. Colord > > is not wide used in KDE and since oyranos

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Zander
On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.39.00 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > Hi! > > Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a > > FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "standard", but does mean that > > it's not GNOME) > > Well, no, having something on freedesktop.org doesn't mean i

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/3/14 Lamarque V. Souza : > Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Sune Vuorela escreveu: > >> On 2012-03-14, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: >> > It's easy enough to package -- the opensuse packages I use work >> > perfectly >> > fine, so I cannot imagine that there are any real and relevant problems >> > for ot

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2012/3/14 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : > Am 14.03.12, 15:54 +0100 schrieb Matthias Klumpp: >> [...] >> I also want to point you to this comparison colord against Oryanos: >> => http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/faq.html#oyranos > > Matthias, you help spreading false assertions here. Then please

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Zander
On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16.59.55 Lamarque V. Souza wrote: > Colord is not wide used in KDE and since oyranos includes a wider feature > set I guess it is more usefull for a wider range of users. This assumption seems to not be supported by the documentation. The specific set of user-groups al

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-03-14, Lamarque V. Souza wrote: > You are talking as if colord is the default standard and well used in > KDE and then out of a suden comes oyranoes trying to replace it. Colord is > not > wide used in KDE and since oyranos includes a wider feature set I guess it is No. colord s

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Sune Vuorela escreveu: > On 2012-03-14, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > It's easy enough to package -- the opensuse packages I use work perfectly > > fine, so I cannot imagine that there are any real and relevant problems > > for other distributions. > > Sure it can be done

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 15:54 +0100 schrieb Matthias Klumpp: Hi! Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "standard", but does mean that it's not GNOME) So everyone is free to contribute to it, and the maintainer is interested in collaborati

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2012-03-14, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: It's easy enough to package -- the opensuse packages I use work perfectly fine, so I cannot imagine that there are any real and relevant problems for other distributions. Sure it can be done. but it is just useles

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-03-14, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > It's easy enough to package -- the opensuse packages I use work perfectly > fine, so I cannot imagine that there are any real and relevant problems > for other distributions. Sure it can be done. but it is just useless churn if it doesn't really provide a

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Hi! Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "standard", but does mean that it's not GNOME) Well, no, having something on freedesktop.org doesn't mean it's not a gnome project; it is

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 15:14 +0100 schrieb Thomas Zander: We had a little talk about those two projects recently on k-c-d as well, where colord was proposed and Kai used that opportunity to plug his project. I then went and downloaded both codebases and looked at them. First thing that I'm worried about

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Colord - just to mention that - is also not a GNOME project, it's a FreeDesktop project. (Doesn't mean it's "standard", but does mean that it's not GNOME) So everyone is free to contribute to it, and the maintainer is interested in collaborating with KDE. (which he already does very nicely) Th

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Zander
Quoting Kai-Uwe Behrmann : I'm actually targeting KDE SC 4.9 as gnome-color-manager is very mature and I am pretty much just rewriting it with Qt/KDE libs. OpenICC colour experts have then a different view of maturity. Kai, the two projects clearly have a different set of ideas about what

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-03-14, Daniel Nicoletti wrote: >> Request: > >> After working on KolorManager and Oyranos in the past months for the last >> Oyranos-0.4.0 release, we feel the stack is ready to review for inclusion >> into >> KDE. >> KolorManager resides currently in Playground/Graphics: >> http://quic

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Zander
Quoting Daniel Nicoletti : So how do we go into the merit discussion without creating yet another flame war? I'm sorry, but merit has to be the metric, that's the basis of both open source in general and KDE specifically. I'd like KDE to avoid sliding towards a social support group ;) We

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Kai-Uwe Behrmann escreveu: > Am 14.03.12, 06:01 -0700 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti: > >>> I'm actually targeting KDE SC 4.9 as gnome-color-manager is very > >>> mature and I am pretty much just rewriting it with Qt/KDE libs. > >> > >> > >> OpenICC colour experts have th

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 14 March 2012, Boudewijn Rempt escreveu: > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 Mar, Daniel Nicoletti wrote: > > > No. There should be color management by default in KDE, that's really > > > > > > important; and there should be only one solution by default. We > > > shouldn't let distributions,

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 06:01 -0700 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti:   I'm actually targeting KDE SC 4.9 as gnome-color-manager is very mature and I am   pretty much just rewriting it with Qt/KDE libs.   OpenICC colour experts have then a different view of maturity.     1- http://dantti.wordpress.com/2012/03/1

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Wednesday 14 March 2012 Mar, Daniel Nicoletti wrote: > > No. There should be color management by default in KDE, that's really > > > important; and there should be only one solution by default. We shouldn't > > let distributions, or even worse, users decide which solution they use. > > That

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
>>  I'm actually targeting KDE SC 4.9 as gnome-color-manager is very mature and >>I am >>  pretty much just rewriting it with Qt/KDE libs. >  > OpenICC colour experts have then a different view of maturity. >  >>  > 1- http://dantti.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/coloring-you-desktop-with-colord-kde/ > 

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
> No. There should be color management by default in KDE, that's really  > important; and there should be only one solution by default. We shouldn't  > let distributions, or even worse, users decide which solution they use. That > way  > madness lies. KDE's Color management solution shouldn't be

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 14.03.12, 04:36 -0700 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti: Request: After working on KolorManager and Oyranos in the past months for the last Oyranos-0.4.0 release, we feel the stack is ready to review for inclusion into KDE. KolorManager resides currently in Playground/Graphics: http://quickgit.kde

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Wednesday 14 March 2012 Mar, Daniel Nicoletti wrote: > > Request: > > > After working on KolorManager and Oyranos in the past months for the last > > Oyranos-0.4.0 release, we feel the stack is ready to review for inclusion > > into > > KDE. > > KolorManager resides currently in Playground/G

Re: Review Request: include KolorManager in kdegraphics

2012-03-14 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
> Request: > After working on KolorManager and Oyranos in the past months for the last > Oyranos-0.4.0 release, we feel the stack is ready to review for inclusion > into > KDE. > KolorManager resides currently in Playground/Graphics: > http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kolor-manager.git&a=summary Jus