ticut,
where I've fled south to a house
with lights, heat, water, HOT water, working stove, microwave...aaahhh.
(Power not expected to be restored at home until sometime this Sunday.)
>
>
>From: Sue Fink
>To: lace digest
>Sent: Wednesday,
I think it depends on the person using the diagram, the thread choice
and whatever lace it is ;)
I like to see twists marked that aren't part of our usual bobbin lace stitches!
I can choose not to do them, or add more or less as it works out. If
the markings aren't there to remind me - I forget.
W
> I recently took a class where
> the teacher said she doesn't mark the twists. This creates
> confusion.
Drawing twists makes a diagram more error prone. Better no marks than wrong
marks. So it is better to teach them by mouth in those situations they don't
come natural with your level of under
Hi All,
Hear, hear Clay!! I could not agree with you more about using diagrams while
making Binche!! In fact I go further, one pin in the lace - pin in the same
place on the diagram. I use map pins and have a colour coding of my own
that I use. Green for a finished pin, yellow where there is
's goals and how the tool is
used!
Nancy
Connecticut, USA, in the cold and dark after the big storm :-(
>
>From: Chris Brill-Packard
>To: Arachne Lace List email
>Sent:
Monday, October 31, 2011 6:52 PM
>Subject: Subject: [lace] diagrams
eping all that information in your brain better organized and
more easily retrievable.
Kathy
-in cold Marcola, Oregon (sunny but near freezing this morning)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:30:11 -
From: "Alex Stillwell"
Subject: [lace] Lace diagrams
Hi Robin
Re: I, however, learn a
On Mon Oct 31st, 2011 7:17 PM PDT Adele Shaak wrote:>Hi Everybody:>>I often
wonder about the patterns we have that are reconstructions of old lace>pieces.
Did the lacemaker who examined the old piece and made the modern>pattern:>>-
draw the overall design and then make it herself and diagram wha
Hi Everybody:
I often wonder about the patterns we have that are reconstructions of old lace
pieces. Did the lacemaker who examined the old piece and made the modern
pattern:
- draw the overall design and then make it herself and diagram what she did,
or
- examine the threads paths in one repeat
Alex wrote: In my experience the majority of lacemkers will follow the
diagrams faithfully without understanding what is happening and also they
believe it
is the only way the pattern can be made.
My first instructor
taught with colored diagrams, thread diagrams and prickings. She would have
m
Nancy asked if colored diagrams were "cheating". I do not believe it is
cheating at all, since individuals learn differently. It is just one more
tool in our tool box to accomplish the task of making lace.
Sometimes we
do not have a good picture of the lace nor do we have a sample of the l
Lorelei Halley wrote:
The Californian Poppy designed by Ulrike is a wonderful example, which proves
beyond all doubt that 'there IS more than one way of skinning a cat'! To date
there are 37 different variations/interpretations of this identical design.
Each lacemaker has worked the poppies
g to all, whether you use charts or not
Alex
- Original Message -
From: "Jenny Brandis"
To: "'Alex Stillwell'" ;
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: [lace] Lace diagrams
Many do not and faithfully continue follow diagrams for yea
Hi Arachnids
- Original Message -
From: "Jenny Brandis"
To: "'Alex Stillwell'" ;
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: [lace] Lace diagrams
Many do not and faithfully continue follow diagrams for years
without
thinking about
Lyn Bailey wrote:
On the other hand, if you're depending on the diagram without analyzing what
you are doing, I don't think you're learning as much. -
And *that* is the crux of the matter--whether or not you're analyzing what you
are doing while using the diagrams.
Robin P.
Los Ange
I think people come to lacemaking the same way they do to anything else in
the world. There are some people who love to be creative and will want to
dive in immediately to see how the lace works. There are also lots of
people that want to learn enough of the "language" to be able to work a
certai
Hi All,
The best thing about coloured diagrams is that it allows many more lace books
to be printed, the one edition catering for up to 5 language groups.
I am sure I am not the only one whose mind works quicker that than her hands,
plans to do more lace have to be shelved, or to put off finishin
Many do not and faithfully continue follow diagrams for years without
thinking about
how it all works. They are my concern.
But they are still making lace - for years.
Many stay on the 'easy' pieces rather than challenge themselves but they
still make lace.
Many go on to try more than on
Clay thank you so much for making the comment using continental laces as
your example. I agree with all you say concerning the need for coloured
diagrams. Further when working lace from the Dutch 17th century where
the pricking consists of a few isolated pins, the diagram is essential.
I suspe
All this talk of "slavishly following diagrams" and thinking that is the only
way to work a pattern has me perplexed. I don't get it. I learned bobbin
lace from Doris Southard's book. I enlarged her prickings and dotted them out
on 4/inch graph paper, and worked them in 10/2 linen. Her photogra
orner of the state that got 26+ inches. The rest of the day will be
spent
digging out a long driveway in the hope of getting to work tomorrow. No
lace
for me today. No power either. Complete bummer.
>
>
>From: Susan Roberts
>To: Arachne
>Se
Hello All! We may need to agree to disagree here. I do best when I am in a
workshop & get some expert supervision. At home, my brain turns to mush & it
isn't long before the whole thing escapes me. Re-reading my notes & my
self-colored drawings doesn't always click. In that case, pre-colore
t;---
>Susan
Roberts
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/susanroberts
>
>-Original Message-
>From: robinl...@socal.rr.com
>Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:27 AM
>To:
Arachne
>Subject: Re: [lace] diagrams
>
>-
--
Susan Roberts
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/susanroberts
-Original Message-
From: robinl...@socal.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:27 AM
To: Arachne
Subject: Re: [lace] diagrams
- Nancy Neff wrote:
I am interested in what yo
> Also you are one of the 'thinkers' ... Many do not and
> faithfully continue follow diagrams for years without
> thinking about how it all works. They are my concern.
Why worry so much? One mans ceiling is another mans floor. Of course you can
try to encourage.
Someone called teachers with
vania, US, waking up from the worst October
snowstorm on record. Power outages, although, obviously, not in my house.
Church is cancelled. No power. Possible icy road problems, too. 30F, -1C
-Original Message-
From: Alex Stillwell
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 6:30 AM
To: lace@arachn
Hi Robin
Re: I, however, learn a whole lot more having a diagram than without it.
Without the diagram or someone to show me at least one way to work a difficult
part,
When you have no teacher or opportunity to learn from others these diagams
have their place, and a big place too. Also you are one
Oh I so agree Catherine.
Maureen
- Original Message -
From: "Catherine Barley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:42 AM
Subject: [lace] diagrams
Alex wrote:
< In my experience the majority of lacemkers will follow the diagrams
it
is
experience/standard of w
Alex wrote:
< In my experience the majority of lacemkers will follow the diagrams
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
I've been very happy working torchon Bedfordshire, Bruges and free lace for
several years, I decided to have a go at Bucks Point. I worked through the
UK Lace Guild instruction book on Bucks Point, then made a small Christie
Springett fan. Fine. Then I decided to be over ambitious and make Jane
> The colors in that book don't correspond
> to the system as we know it know.
Allways make a legend when publishing, and look for it when reading
> a verbal description has to be translated
> into an image in the student's head
> before she can follow the instruction.
The image is like a roadma
Lorelei
This truly describes how I need to understand and often cant until I
understand that image, from pictures, diagrams and/or prickings. I also
used to print them out really big and play about with pencil, or coloured
pencils to work out where threads come from and go too. It helped me h
- Nancy Neff wrote:
I am interested in what you all think about the colored diagrams that accompany
much published lace. I was struck by the phrase "which is sort of paint by
numbers" in a recent post.-
I have come across this attitude before. Holly Van Sciver does not use
diagr
I learned to make lace in the mid-90's. The syllabus my teacher, Lynn, used
to
teach lace was put together by Arlene McKinnell and spelled out each cross
and
twist. It wasn't until the 6th lesson that she brought out the
diagrams. That
lesson had the piece both spelled out in CT by Arlene, an
Yes, Lorelei! I've always felt like the diagram was a diagrammatic version of
a computer algorithm.
Nancy
Connecticut
>
>...Using a diagram is more like using a tutorial that comes with a computer
>program, or using the help function that is embedded in the progr
I've been reading, with interest, the various views on color coded diagrams,
and thought I'm add my perspective.
There are many laces which can be worked from the pricking alone - assuming you
know what the various components are meant to look like. Especially in the
smaller pieces which have
close for today. West of us is much more serious.
Power outages are occurring.
-Original Message-
From: Nancy Neff
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:56 PM
To: Arachne
Subject: [lace] diagrams
Fellow Arachnids,
I am interested in what you all think about the colored
diagrams that acc
Nancy
I agree with you that diagrams are very useful. I would even say they are
essential for learning and working the more complex laces such as Flanders,
Binche and Valenciennes. And more, for those of us who usually learn from
books instead of live teachers, good diagrams are absolutely essent
From: Nancy Neff
<>
This is exactly why I believe that pricking out a pattern
helps you to understand and gain a feel for the pattern. Marking in the
directions, stitches etc also help learn this. It is how I first learnt to
deconstruct a pattern (the second way I learnt was to make lace bac
Lacemaking is a hobby, the diagrams are useful and in some cases
necessary. For some laces, such as Binche, I for one am married to the
diagram
Sometimes, if convenient, I use the diagram as the pricking!
I like it when I don't need a diagram, it is a feeling of freedom but
I'd be lost without on
Fellow Arachnids,
I am interested in what you all think about the colored
diagrams that accompany much published lace. I was struck by the phrase
"which is sort of paint by numbers" in a recent post. The full quote is "It
has colored diagrams for the whole thing, which is sort of paint by numbe
re STILL one among millions in
the world!!
Clay
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Diagrams again (long, I'm afraid)
> In a message dated 24/08/2004 21:14:05 GMT St
In a message dated 24/08/2004 21:14:05 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I think it is fairly obvious that when it comes to showing how a particular
> stitch is done, or how some technique works, a standard diagram can be
> invaluable, and not using one where it is appropriate, on
As I was in at the beginning of the current round on
the use of diagrams, in that it was triggered by
Tamara commenting on my comments to her, but haven't
actually posted on it, I thought I should set out what
I was interested in, especially as the subsequent
debate has illuminated some of it.
I t
Dear Lacemakers,
The discussion of the merits of diagrams, etc. (and introducing originality)
comes on the heels of two weeks of pouring over a lace collection with lace
identification experts - attempting to accurately describe and identify as many
individual items as possible.
Imagine the pr
Another thing diagrams are very useful for is when using threads in different
colors - I can just go over the diagram with a colored pencil and I know where
all of my threads are going, and I can fiddle if I'd prefer them to go somewhere
else. Much harder with verbal descriptions...
Weronika
--
Robin and Tamara and all
I think we've had similar discussions on the usefulness of diagrams before.
I think in this matter I'm closer to Robin's view than Tamara's. It may be
a function of the kinds of lace we are trying to make.
In learning a traditional form of lace which has a recognized set
I like diagrams a lot too. I agree it's a good idea to try to change things to
get the effect you like instead of just following the pattern exactly, but
first I'd like to know how whoever made the pattern did it, since they probably
have a better idea of what they're doing than I do... And even
>>>From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've just had a private message from Leonard (not yet answered; sorry ),
musing on the advantages/disadvantges of diagrams. I agree with him up to a
point: diagrams do clip our wings, and limit our imagination/flexibility;
they ossify our lace, ma
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