On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:44:35 +0200
Sven Barth pascaldra...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:19:34 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
Yes, but asm.js is usually used as an intermediate language akin to
Java bytecodes. cf Emscripten etc.
Now if something like that can't, ultimately, be run from a shell or a
makefile it's going to be problematic for an FPC port. It's going to be
particularly problematic for the various tests that are run automatically
to test the compiler's correctness: it's all very well saying that in the
Am 16.07.2013 23:34, schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd:
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:19:34 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
[...]asm.js has strictly numeric types,
yes
so you can't write a conventional Hello, World! in it.
There are javascript
On 07/16/2013 06:07 PM, Jy V wrote:
I guess the main library entry points are located in mozjs.dll
so the wrapper fpcjs may need some search and replace replace,
Ah, this is what I guessed: The command-line java script interpreter
does use parts of the normal Firefox distribution.
-Michael
Sven Barth wrote:
[Later] Something like Rhino Shell might do the job. Possibly others.
Such as ejscript.
Please read the tutorial of emscripten as it explains how to run a
JS/asm.js program on the command line:
https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki/Tutorial
Looks pretty good. So it
Am 16.07.2013 01:57, schrieb Jy V:
I do agree with Sven,
the way to go is http://goldparser.org/
the same technique has been used for project llvm_pascal
http://code.google.com/p/llvm-pascal/
Why would I want to use a parser generator if we have a fully
On 07/15/2013 10:47 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
asm.js does seem to have a lot going for it. So I suppose a fair
question is to what extent custom-drawn LCLs for Android and Firefox
OS could share code, and whether this abstraction could be useful for
other targets e.g. framebuffer or naked
On 07/15/2013 09:24 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
I would keep out LLVM and emscripten and just directly generate asm.js
code which is then simply compatible to the libraries provided by the
emscripten project.
That of course is advantageous, as it can be done in Pascal, as the fpc
is used to and
On 07/15/2013 10:19 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
Why would I want to use a parser generator if we have a fully working
multi-backend compiler available?!
+1
Either stay with the current (excellent) Parser, or switch to a major
standard such as LLVM or gcc !
-Michael
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On 07/16/2013 10:44 AM, Michael Schnell wrote:
http://asmjs.org/spec/latest/#introduction looks really interesting as
a target arch for fpc.
Should we switch to the fpc-devel mailing list on that issue ?
-Michael
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Am 16.07.2013 10:44, schrieb Michael Schnell:
On 07/15/2013 10:47 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
asm.js does seem to have a lot going for it. So I suppose a fair
question is to what extent custom-drawn LCLs for Android and Firefox
OS could share code, and whether this abstraction could be useful
Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/16/2013 10:44 AM, Michael Schnell wrote:
http://asmjs.org/spec/latest/#introduction looks really interesting as
a target arch for fpc.
Should we switch to the fpc-devel mailing list on that issue ?
I think an important issue is whether asm.js can be translated
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/15/2013 10:47 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
asm.js does seem to have a lot going for it. So I suppose a fair question
is to what extent custom-drawn LCLs for Android and Firefox OS could share
code, and whether this abstraction could be
On 07/16/2013 12:23 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
show how you can execute it on the command line as well.
Do you start Firefox, a part of same (or whatever) with some command
line arguments to do this ?
-Michael
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On 07/16/2013 12:11 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
Ehm... you do know that the Android GUI is not based on any HTML? It's
a Java based system...
While I learned this only after I phrased this message, OTOH HTML5 also
is a Java based system and thus the thought might not be _completely_
wrong.
Am 16.07.2013 12:58 schrieb Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de:
On 07/16/2013 12:11 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
Ehm... you do know that the Android GUI is not based on any HTML? It's a
Java based system...
While I learned this only after I phrased this message, OTOH HTML5 also
is a Java based
On 16-7-2013 12:56, Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/16/2013 12:11 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
Ehm... you do know that the Android GUI is not based on any HTML? It's
a Java based system...
While I learned this only after I phrased this message, OTOH HTML5 also
is a Java based system and thus the
Am 16.07.2013 12:54 schrieb Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de:
On 07/16/2013 12:23 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
show how you can execute it on the command line as well.
Do you start Firefox, a part of same (or whatever) with some command line
arguments to do this ?
If you want a GUI you'll need
Am 16.07.2013 12:13, schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd:
Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/16/2013 10:44 AM, Michael Schnell wrote:
http://asmjs.org/spec/latest/#introduction looks really interesting
as a target arch for fpc.
Should we switch to the fpc-devel mailing list on that issue ?
I think an
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/16/2013 12:11 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
Ehm... you do know that the Android GUI is not based on any HTML? It's a
Java based system...
While I learned this only after I phrased this message, OTOH HTML5 also is a
Java based system and thus the
On 07/16/2013 01:09 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
but otherwise a JS command line interpreter is sufficient.
That was what I tried to ask. I never heard of any JS command line
interpreter. Is there one provided by Mozilla ?
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On 07/16/2013 01:09 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
JS command line interpreter
OK, I did find Rhino. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Rhino
-Michael
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On 07/16/2013 01:07 PM, Sven Barth wrote:
HTML5 has *nothing* to do with Java.
Sorry for again typing faster than thinking. :-(
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On 07/16/2013 01:25 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Where do you get your information ?
I was just being confused and apologize for wasted bandwidth :-( .
-Michael
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I Do know that confusing Java and Java-Script is similar to confusing a
HedgeHog and a Pig, But things like that happen in my advanced age :-( .
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:53:02 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
So can anybody provide step-by-step instructions for writing a Hello,
World! in Javascript, compiling it to asm.js, and running that from a
(Linux) shell? Even better, converting the asm.js to native
Hello Mark,
So can anybody provide step-by-step instructions for writing a Hello,
World! in Javascript, compiling it to asm.js, and running that from a
(Linux) shell? Even better, converting the asm.js to native code so it can
be run without a wrapper?
asm.js is just a subset of JavaScript.
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:33:50 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
So can anybody provide step-by-step instructions for writing a Hello,
World! in Javascript, compiling it to asm.js, and running that from a
(Linux) shell?
Nothing gets compiled from JS to asm.js
Reimar Grabowski wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:33:50 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
So can anybody provide step-by-step instructions for writing a Hello,
World! in Javascript, compiling it to asm.js, and running that from a
(Linux) shell?
Nothing gets compiled
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:19:34 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
[...]asm.js has strictly numeric types,
yes
so you can't write a conventional Hello, World! in it.
There are javascript libraries implementing strings via arrays.
If you want to do that, then you
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:19:34 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
[...]asm.js has strictly numeric types,
yes
so you can't write a conventional Hello, World! in it.
There are javascript libraries implementing strings via arrays.
Yes,
I read the Firefox OS is gaining support by cell phone manufactures and
distributors (e.g. Deutsche Telekom).
While Android support seems to be a hot topic here, what about the
upcoming Firefox OS.
I suppose this is Java-based in a similar way as Android, and maybe a
unified support for
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Michael Schnell wrote:
I read the Firefox OS is gaining support by cell phone manufactures and
distributors (e.g. Deutsche Telekom).
While Android support seems to be a hot topic here, what about the upcoming
Firefox OS.
I suppose this is Java-based in a similar way
On 07/15/2013 10:12 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I really should get my Pascal-to-Javascript translator project on
track :(
How far has this advanced yet ?
-Michael
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On 07/15/2013 10:12 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
As far as I know, it is Javascript. Not Java.
As Firefox is a very fast Javascript interpreter this does make sense.
But it supposedly makes it completely incompatible with Android from
ground up (this might be on purpose).
But can an OS
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/15/2013 10:12 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I really should get my Pascal-to-Javascript translator project on track :(
How far has this advanced yet ?
I have the AST trees ready, it's just a matter of writing the conversion step
between
On 07/15/2013 10:25 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
but needs time. As all things.
Understood;-) .
(Great project nonetheless...)
-Michael
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote:
I read the Firefox OS is gaining support by cell phone manufactures and
distributors (e.g. Deutsche Telekom).
There is also Bada and WebOS ... in my opinion there are too many
mobile OS, for me personally I think it is
Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/15/2013 10:12 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
As far as I know, it is Javascript. Not Java.
As Firefox is a very fast Javascript interpreter this does make sense.
But it supposedly makes it completely incompatible with Android from
ground up (this might be on
On 07/15/2013 10:45 AM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
There is also Bada and WebOS ...
and Windows 8 phone, and ...
But besides iOS and Android, I only see Firefox OS as a candidate for
decent growth.
Lets wait and see...
-Michael
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On 15-7-2013 10:19, Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/15/2013 10:12 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
As far as I know, it is Javascript. Not Java.
As Firefox is a very fast Javascript interpreter this does make sense.
But it supposedly makes it completely incompatible with Android from
ground up
On 07/15/2013 11:03 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Michael Schnell wrote:
But can an OS completely done in Jacascript be a valid alternate
foundation for cell phone and Tablet designs ?
A lot of people who should know better think that the GUI is the OS.
That is why I put quotes around OS. In
On 07/15/2013 11:23 AM, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
However, as long as there is overwhelming market share for
iOS+Android, supporting those does seem to be the easiest way.
Yep, but - as always - being prepared is not a bad thing.
In fact with Android having a market share of some 70 %, it
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/15/2013 11:23 AM, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
However, as long as there is overwhelming market share for iOS+Android,
supporting those does seem to be the easiest way.
Yep, but - as always - being prepared is not a bad thing.
In fact with
On 07/15/2013 11:58 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Delphi XE5 - scheduled for release in september is supposed to contain
Android support.
They already delayed this several times, so I don't hold my breath.
In fact this would be the first support for Linux after Kylix death. (Of
course
Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/15/2013 11:03 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Michael Schnell wrote:
But can an OS completely done in Jacascript be a valid alternate
foundation for cell phone and Tablet designs ?
A lot of people who should know better think that the GUI is the OS.
That is why I
On 15-7-2013 10:45, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote:
I read the Firefox OS is gaining support by cell phone manufactures and
distributors (e.g. Deutsche Telekom).
There is also Bada and WebOS ... in my opinion
Since Firefox (and i assume Firefox OS) uses the new asm.js subset of
javascript (a js subset that looks like assembly which can be converted to
native code, something like a js-based portable LLVM bitcode), couldn't FPC
generate asm.js code instead of x86 assembly/machine code?
Obviously that
On 15-7-2013 12:49, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote:
Since Firefox (and i assume Firefox OS) uses the new asm.js subset of
javascript (a js subset that looks like assembly which can be converted
to native code, something like a js-based portable LLVM bitcode),
couldn't FPC generate asm.js code
On 07/15/2013 11:20 AM, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
Firefox OS used to run on top of Android
I don't think that this is the way it is meant to be installed on
devices by - say - Deutsche Telekom. Why would they wont to install
anything on top of Android, when they have Android anyway ?
and
On 07/15/2013 12:49 PM, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote:
Since Firefox (and i assume Firefox OS) uses the new asm.js subset
of javascript (a js subset that looks like assembly which can be
converted to native code, something like a js-based portable LLVM
bitcode), couldn't FPC generate asm.js code
Am Montag, den 15.07.2013, 13:18 +0200 schrieb Michael Schnell:
On 07/15/2013 11:20 AM, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
Firefox OS used to run on top of Android
I don't think that this is the way it is meant to be installed on
devices by - say - Deutsche Telekom. Why would they wont to install
On 07/15/2013 01:39 PM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
Regarding news about Intelligence Agencies around the world Firefox
OS will for sure have it's cusomers.
Especially in Europe and even more in Germany.
(awaiting the news that the said Agency succeeded in turning down
Mozilla org. )
-Michael
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Am Montag, den 15.07.2013, 13:23 +0200 schrieb Michael Schnell:
On 07/15/2013 12:49 PM, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote:
Obviously that wouldn't solve the GUI issue (one will still need to
implement a HTML-based (or whatever) LCL backend, but i think with
canvas nowadays that is possible).
Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/15/2013 12:49 PM, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote:
Since Firefox (and i assume Firefox OS) uses the new asm.js subset
of javascript (a js subset that looks like assembly which can be
converted to native code, something like a js-based portable LLVM
bitcode), couldn't
On 07/15/2013 03:15 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Perhaps comparable with the custom-drawn Android LCL.
That is what I was thinking of.
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:02:54AM +0200, Michael Schnell wrote:
While Android support seems to be a hot topic here,
If that is *hot*, I think the level for firefox OS is proportionately
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On 15.07.2013 11:41, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
OTOH, Michael's Pascal-to-Javascript translator project comes handy in
that case.
But do we really want to go there? The FPC and Lazarus projects are
stretched enough as it is, without having to get involved in Javascript
language issues.
A JS
On 15.07.2013 13:01, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 15-7-2013 12:49, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote:
Since Firefox (and i assume Firefox OS) uses the new asm.js subset of
javascript (a js subset that looks like assembly which can be converted
to native code, something like a js-based portable LLVM
I would keep out LLVM and emscripten and just directly generate asm.js
code which is then simply compatible to the libraries provided by the
emscripten project.
I do agree with Sven,
the way to go is http://goldparser.org/
the same technique has been used for project llvm_pascal
On 15.07.2013 21:42, Jy V wrote:
I would keep out LLVM and emscripten and just directly generate
asm.js code which is then simply compatible to the libraries
provided by the emscripten project.
I do agree with Sven,
the way to go is http://goldparser.org/
the same technique has
Sven Barth wrote:
On 15.07.2013 11:41, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
OTOH, Michael's Pascal-to-Javascript translator project comes handy in
that case.
But do we really want to go there? The FPC and Lazarus projects are
stretched enough as it is, without having to get involved in Javascript
I do agree with Sven,
the way to go is http://goldparser.org/
the same technique has been used for project llvm_pascal
http://code.google.com/p/llvm-**pascal/http://code.google.com/p/llvm-pascal/
Why would I want to use a parser generator if we have a fully working
multi-backend compiler
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