RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-12 Thread Steven Peck
Jack. tch tch tch :) In any case, the draft looks pretty good. I haven't had time to mull it over in detail yet, but I think I would sign it. Of, course 30 odd folks signing off LRP seems to have made an appropriate statement already, so the point may now be moot. I redid my personal web

[Leaf-devel] ANN: access-list, an ipchains replacement

2001-06-12 Thread Pim van Riezen
Those who followed my CISH efforts a bit know that I started it off by writing a wrapper for ipchains which accepted and displayed cisco-syntax access-list rules. I've taken this concept one step further now and put this functionality in a separate binary. This new command no longer needs the ipch

Re: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-12 Thread Jack Coates
my, what a thread. Opinions are opinions, but: screwing with semipublic infrastructure because of your opinions is over the line, especially when the infrastructure was donated to you by companies wanting to further progress of the semipublic project. (The LRP code may be GPL, but the web site a

Re: [Leaf-devel] [OT] Routing Question

2001-06-12 Thread Jack Coates
man, I wish. See the load-balancing howto, this is not possible with 2.2. Not sure about 2.4. I know how to do it with commercial software, but not sure how much I can say about the plumbing since I used to work as an SE at a company that does network high availability and load-balancing with soft

Re: [Leaf-devel] Monta-Vista Hard-Hat Linux

2001-06-12 Thread Jack Coates
I've used HardHat in lab systems (Ziatech Ketris, sweet boxes) when I was at Rainfinity. From an admin/hack perspective, it feels like RedHat with some kernel patches. It was a pleasure to work with compared to a regular embedded system, but I doubt it would run nicely on a 486/33. -- Jack Coate

[Leaf-devel] [OT] Routing Question

2001-06-12 Thread Kenneth Hadley
Off Topic folks so bear with me ;-) Is there a program that alows floating default gateways for NIC's under Linux Example NIC 1 goes to ISP1 NIC 2 goes to ISP2 ISP1 is the default gateway ISP1 gateway goes down system automatically switches to ISP2 gateway ISP1 gateway works again system automati

Re: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org

2001-06-12 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > Ray Olszewski wrote: > > We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the > > important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their silence on > > this thread. > > I'd like to speak up myself. I would also like to

Re: [Leaf-devel] Monta-Vista Hard-Hat Linux

2001-06-12 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> > NOTE: I'm still very open to suggestions on what to use as the base of the > > next generation of LRP like functionality. I'm mainly looking at starting > > with an existing distribution because 'out of the box' you get a working > > cross-compile environment (no more dedicated Debian Slink

Re: [Leaf-devel] Monta-Vista Hard-Hat Linux

2001-06-12 Thread John Klar
> NOTE: I'm still very open to suggestions on what to use as the base of > the next generation of LRP like functionality. I'm mainly looking at > starting with an existing distribution because 'out of the box' you get > a working cross-compile environment (no more dedicated Debian Slink > boxes

RE: [Leaf-devel] How to Improve LEAF

2001-06-12 Thread Bao C. Ha
I would love to have uClibc, instead of glibc. The other two are probably too bloated: c++ (libstdc++) and a Java VM. Bao > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David > Douthitt > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:33 PM > To: LEAF Devel > S

RE: [Leaf-devel] How to Improve LEAF

2001-06-12 Thread Andrew Hoying
> * Updated glibc > * Updated linux (to 2.4 series) > * New and improved configuration files > * Bootable CDROM (using standard floppy image) > * Build a LRP diskette menu-by-menu > * Removal of multicron Certainly more add on packages, and a central repository for them. If we go with glibc2.1 o

[Leaf-devel] How to Improve LEAF

2001-06-12 Thread David Douthitt
My foray into this realm of floppy distros, LRP, and so on was as a result of my answers to this question. My goals in the beginning were: * More network tools * Better editors * More bug fixes * Updated tools * Integrated multidisk support * Integrated DoC support * Better security * More syste

Re: [Leaf-devel] Monta-Vista Hard-Hat Linux

2001-06-12 Thread David Douthitt
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > Please do. I've actually got a copy of BlueCat, which came with my ELJ > contest kit. Aren't BlueCat and Hard Hat Linux commercial distributions? That is, I can't muck it up and release it as my own the way Best and Mandrake did for Red Hat and the way Stormix and

Re: [Leaf-devel] Monta-Vista Hard-Hat Linux

2001-06-12 Thread David Douthitt
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > In light of my recent decision to abandon waiting for Butterfly, I am taking > a long, hard look at working with Monta-Vista's Hard-Hat linux. > Another benefit of using something like HardHat is multi-processor support. > NOTE: I'm still very open to suggestions

Re: [Leaf-devel] Monta-Vista Hard-Hat Linux

2001-06-12 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> > NOTE: I'm still very open to suggestions on what to use as the base of the > > next generation of LRP like functionality. I'm mainly looking at starting > > with an existing distribution because 'out of the box' you get a working > > cross-compile environment (no more dedicated Debian Slink

Re: [Leaf-devel] Monta-Vista Hard-Hat Linux

2001-06-12 Thread Scott C. Best
Charles: Just thinking out loud: > NOTE: I'm still very open to suggestions on what to use as the base of the > next generation of LRP like functionality. I'm mainly looking at starting > with an existing distribution because 'out of the box' you get a working > cross-compile environme

Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org

2001-06-12 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, John wrote: > This issue _will_ get publicity and it casts a very bad light on Linux and > Open Source (Guilt by Association). A public statement is warranted. > Morgan Reed's draft is good and should serve to limit the damage of > otherwise unfettered reporters (ZDNet fanat

Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org

2001-06-12 Thread John
Also not to pick on Pim, but he does provide good context for comment: > You didn't have to convince me of that, for sure. There is no issue of > silently agreeing with what was stated, just that I feel no need to > get on the publicity bandwagon about what is on a site I am only faintly > affili

[Leaf-devel] Monta-Vista Hard-Hat Linux

2001-06-12 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
In light of my recent decision to abandon waiting for Butterfly, I am taking a long, hard look at working with Monta-Vista's Hard-Hat linux. I think this would make an excellent base distribution for the next generation of internet appliance releases. Of course, the proof is in the pudding (or s

Re: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org

2001-06-12 Thread David Douthitt
Ray Olszewski wrote: > We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the > important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their silence on > this thread. I'd like to speak up myself. I would also like to echo those sentiments: silence does not imply my assent.

Re: [Leaf-devel] I pulled off LRP list

2001-06-12 Thread Mike Noyes
Jacques Nilo, 2001-06-12 20:21 +0200 >Hi every one! >For some strange reasons my contributions to yesterday [Leaf-devel] >linuxrouter.org topic never reached the list. Jacques, The SF staff was performing some maintenance on Mailman yesterday. I suspect it's the cause of your missing posts. I be

[Leaf-devel] I pulled off LRP list

2001-06-12 Thread Jacques Nilo
Hi every one! For some strange reasons my contributions to yesterday [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org topic never reached the list. Let see if I am more successful with this one. My position boils down to a very simple point: I - personnally (I insist: this is strictly a personnal position )- cannot p

[Leaf-devel] Leadership issues

2001-06-12 Thread Jonathan French
Howdy. I just bid farewell at linuxrouter.org. However, in doing so, I'm facing a difficult issue as an occasional package developer. The following are a couple of random thoughts... Ok, I confess I haven't developed nearly as much as others, mostly trying to update 2.9.8 to a functional & no

RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-12 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Scott C. Best wrote: > > I just wanted to split a quick hair. No affront to > Pi, I just needed a handy quote to speak from: > > > My point: This is an LRP issue. Deal with it in LRP and try not to > > generalize it into something larger. Abstaining from politics is pol

RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-12 Thread Scott C. Best
I just wanted to split a quick hair. No affront to Pi, I just needed a handy quote to speak from: > My point: This is an LRP issue. Deal with it in LRP and try not to > generalize it into something larger. Abstaining from politics is politics > as well. > > Pi To be sure, McVei

RE: [Leaf-devel] Linux Mandrake

2001-06-12 Thread Steven Peck
---Original Message- From: David Douthitt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/12/2001 7:50 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] Linux Mandrake Steven Peck wrote: > I switched to Mandrake. I will use it for a few months to get more comfortable with Linux and then we shall see what happens. Which Mandrake?

RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-12 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Pim van Riezen wrote: > My point: This is an LRP issue. Deal with it in LRP and try not to > generalize it into something larger. Abstaining from politics is politics > as well. Doing a bit of a follow-up on myself here. I think it may help if I point out what my position to

Re: [Leaf-devel] Website Problem

2001-06-12 Thread Mike Noyes
David Douthitt, 2001-06-12 10:03 -0500 >Daniel Baker wrote: > > > In your Document Replace all "Lesser Thans" with "& l t ;" and all > > your "Lessor Thans" with "& g t ;" Doing a global search and replace > > in most editors will accomplish this with minimal fuss. > >Bourne shell can do it: > >

Re: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org

2001-06-12 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> >I agree with Scott's wording. I recognized my mistake as soon as I read his > >message. I think we should give Morgan a chance to write a draft. He may > >come up with something we can all agree on. > ... > > We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the > important

RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-12 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Morgan Reed, 2001-06-12 00:52 -0400 > >This is an inital rough draft that I think/hope represents all of the > >ideas mentioned here. > > Morgan, > It looks pretty good to me. For this to work we need all of our project > admins and a strong majority of de

RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-12 Thread Luis.F.Correia
I subscribed to this list moments ago, and this is the second message I received. If you plan to send this out, I will sign it. Cheers -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-deve

Re: [Leaf-devel] Website Problem

2001-06-12 Thread David Douthitt
Daniel Baker wrote: > In your Document Replace all "Lesser Thans" with "& l t ;" and all your > "Lessor Thans" with "& g t ;" Doing a global search and replace in most > editors will accomplish this with minimal fuss. Bourne shell can do it: #!/bin/sh # Filter a message... sed 's/>/\>/ s/ht

RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-12 Thread Mike Noyes
Morgan Reed, 2001-06-12 00:52 -0400 >This is an inital rough draft that I think/hope represents all of the >ideas mentioned here. Morgan, It looks pretty good to me. For this to work we need all of our project admins and a strong majority of developers to sign it. If this can't be accomplished,

[Leaf-devel] Linux Mandrake

2001-06-12 Thread David Douthitt
Steven Peck wrote: > Once all that occurs, I will be able to focus my time back to LEAF. :) In > a nicer setting. On a plus note, I got a Linux system up and going finally. > I was trying Progeny, but it had to many gotchas, so I switched to Mandrake. > I will use it for a few months to get mo