[Leaf-devel] DachStein for pppoe ?

2001-06-15 Thread Etienne Charlier
    Hi,   I wanted to have a try to the Dachstein pre-release (  2001/05/27 ) but I didn't found any trace of pppoe support   Does someone work on this ??   Have a nice WE   Etienne Charlier

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Mike Sensney wrote: > At 09:53 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote [...] > >Good point. I'm using the leaf-announce list to post security > >bullitins. I admit, I haven't done a great job. Do we need a separate > >list for security announcements, or are you suggesting som

Re: [Leaf-devel] Distribution Question

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Steven Peck wrote: > What are the posibilities of doing a custom pre configured build of Oxygen > ala Eigerstein series? I haven't had the time to look at Oxygen at all, so > I don't know if the single disk with preloaded modules and a firewall are > posible, much less space for dhclient/ppoe/fi

Re: [Leaf-devel] New Project

2001-06-15 Thread Matt Schalit
David Douthitt wrote: > [snip setup.lrp description...] > Thoughts? David, that's sweet. I like the fact that you configure the distro on the future router, rather than on a windows box like some floppy routers have you do. I think it's good to get the user into the mode of using the Linux

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Sensney
At 11:13 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Steven Peck wrote >A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its >administrator that updates are needed. > >- >I don't necessarily agree with this. Part of the appeal of a base config'd >system for me is that eve

[Leaf-devel] Distribution Question

2001-06-15 Thread Steven Peck
So, Given that we have 2 goals here. 1. Simplified single disk plug in the numbers turnkey distribution 2. Flexible toolkit. What are the posibilities of doing a custom pre configured build of Oxygen ala Eigerstein series? I haven't had the time to look at Oxygen at all, so I don't know if t

RE: [Leaf-devel] Scenarios

2001-06-15 Thread Steven Peck
These are great senarios. Add them to your Oxygen usage page. :) But, we also have people who need to 'get something up now!', have more than 3 systems and don't want to pay for the per user sygate license and have read on the dangers of unprotected Windows ICS or use a newer more expensive syst

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Sensney
At 09:53 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote >Mike Sensney, 2001-06-15 08:35 -0700 >>At 06:31 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote >> >>>David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500 Mike Sensney wrote: > > Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an > advisor

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Sensney
Gee. And I was just thinking of simple notification, then letting the admin do the work. :-) At 10:54 AM 06/15/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote >Mike Sensney wrote: > >> A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator >> that updates are needed. > >This is a great i

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Steven Peck
A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator that updates are needed. - I don't necessarily agree with this. Part of the appeal of a base config'd system for me is that even if it is hacked, there arn't many tools to use. Remote

RE: OT [Leaf-devel] Mail Attachments isse

2001-06-15 Thread Steven Peck
I'll do some looking next week through technet. It may be a setting specific to exchange. It happens on lists ONCE in a while. Certainly not every message. And yes, I am using Exchange5.5 and Outlook2000 at home for now. Experiance with it pays my rent. It's not just from you that it happens

Re: [Leaf-devel] New Project

2001-06-15 Thread Scott C. Best
David: This, now, is a great idea. Go fer it. Suggestion: > A new user comes along (with or without UNIX/network tech), boots with > two disks (yes two), and then goes through this initial setup step by > step, with a boot disk to be configured in hand. Once this is all > done, t

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Noyes
Mike Sensney, 2001-06-15 08:35 -0700 >At 06:31 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote > > >David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500 > >>Mike Sensney wrote: > >>> > >>> Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an > >>> advisory list for package updates and security issues. > >

Re: [Leaf-devel] New Project

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Jonathan French wrote: > > A new user comes along (with or without UNIX/network tech), boots with > > two disks (yes two), and then goes through this initial setup step by > > step, with a boot disk to be configured in hand. Once this is all > > done, then the disk is backed up to another, the c

Re: [Leaf-devel] New Project

2001-06-15 Thread Jonathan French
> A new user comes along (with or without UNIX/network tech), boots with > two disks (yes two), and then goes through this initial setup step by > step, with a boot disk to be configured in hand. Once this is all > done, then the disk is backed up to another, the configuration saved, > and the u

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Mike Sensney wrote: > A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator > that updates are needed. This is a great idea, and one I like. However, there are several things that would be needed before something like this could be truly useful: * A centralized package se

RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Noyes
Jack Coates, 2001-06-15 08:34 -0700 >you're on Exchange 5.5 too. I did some quick searching but couldn't find >any good reason for the problem. Will keep looking. Jack, Could this be related to the following support request I just opened? ML user messages not delivered https://sourceforge.net/tr

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Sensney
At 06:31 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote >David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500 >>Mike Sensney wrote: >>> >>> Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an >>> advisory list for package updates and security issues. >> >>A very good idea - and very possibly, a good pl

RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-15 Thread Luis.F.Correia
Great, no problem. I'm used to it... BTW, wanna have a good laugh? Here @ work, we use Exchange 5.5+Outlook 2000 as a std. When a guy sends a HTML message using a Portuguese Outlook Express, our mail gateways cannot understand the encoding.. Funny, even Microsoft's eng. do not who to solve the

RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-15 Thread Jack Coates
you're on Exchange 5.5 too. I did some quick searching but couldn't find any good reason for the problem. Will keep looking. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Luis.F.Correia wrote: > Yeah! > > I got this: > > > This message uses a character set that is

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Pim van Riezen wrote: > I'm even known to grab for a Mac > if I'm really in a weird mood :) Heh. I've even loaded emacs and vi onto my Mac before - however, somehow my Mac hasn't been infected - though Mac people think me strange too as I STILL prefer MacWrite :-) ...then on Windows I tend to fa

[Leaf-devel] New Project

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
I've started work on a setup.lrp, which will use dialog (which requires libm and ncurses) to provide a simple setup script for experts and novices alike. It is also flexible enough to be used for new environments and new "configurations" such as seawall or the EigerStein scripts. It works a bit

[Leaf-devel] Scenarios

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
[Pim had written:] > > Think about it, a 500MB IDE harddrive to install FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Debian > > Linux or whatever else on costs close to nothing. If I wanted a Unix > > machine to do that task, I'd go and build one and wouldn't bother with > > things like LRP. As a 'consumer', I go for LRP b

Re: [Leaf-devel] [ leaf-Patches-432947 ] Resource monitor top

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Noyes
Kenneth Hadley, 2001-06-15 06:09 -0700 >I had top packaged but seam to have lost itI'll make another >available late today Kenneth, I assigned the task to you. Thanks. >- Original Message - >From: "Mike Noyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> For me personally, my aim is not to build "black box appliances that need > no maintenance", but rather to build "network appliances that don't carry > Unix baggage unless if there's no alternatives". With my consumer hat on, > if I install an appliance to take care of a specific task for me, I

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > > We will probably perpetually disagree in our viewpoints here then. Which > > doesn't matter, diversity == strength :) > > Being a vi nut, I'm used to being alone :-) I use vi solely as my editor when I work as root and when I do I prefer it to be a

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Pim van Riezen wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > For me personally, my aim is not to build "black box appliances that need > no maintenance", but rather to build "network appliances that don't carry > Unix baggage unless if there's no alternatives". That's if you consider

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Noyes
David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500 >Mike Sensney wrote: > > > > Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an > > advisory list for package updates and security issues. > >A very good idea - and very possibly, a good place for LEAF: to >coordinate package updates, system

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
David Douthitt wrote: > > Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > > Hey! What's with this VI stuff...it's emacs all the way! > > ;-) > > I love Emacs too - that's the problem. I got spoiled using real Emacs > on a HP Apollo for a while - never left Emacs, even though X was > available. I forgot to

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > Hey! What's with this VI stuff...it's emacs all the way! > ;-) I love Emacs too - that's the problem. I got spoiled using real Emacs on a HP Apollo for a while - never left Emacs, even though X was available. However, there's not one decent powerful and complet

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > Hey! What's with this VI stuff...it's emacs all the way! > ;-) Heh, I can see it now: Connected to 192.168.1.2 Escape character is ^] Welcome to Nitrogen Username: jrhacker Password: 1..Interface Configuration 2..Route C

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Luis.F.Correia wrote: > > >Take a look at Cisco I'd say. I never have to compile IOS from source, but > >they're pretty responsible in reporting security issues. > > Provided you'll pay for the fixes. > > They do NOT offer nothing for free... but they never said that either..

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> > Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an > > advisory list for package updates and security issues. > > A very good idea - and very possibly, a good place for LEAF: to > coordinate package updates, system updates, etc. Ah-ha! An overlooked requiremnet of the new p

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Luis.F.Correia
>Take a look at Cisco I'd say. I never have to compile IOS from source, but >they're pretty responsible in reporting security issues. Provided you'll pay for the fixes. They do NOT offer nothing for free... but they never said that either... ___ Lea

Re: [Leaf-devel] Apparent Directions

2001-06-15 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> > Also, I'm generally interested in 'really thin' servers. The first will > > probably be a BIND server, which I'd also like to see install straight from > > the CD. > > > > Charles Steinkuehler > Hi Charles ! > What are the reasons which make you choose Bind over tinydns if you are > looking f

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > Mike Sensney wrote: > > > > At 12:26 PM 06/14/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote > > > Windows users who don't know Linux/ipchains should just skip installing a > > LEAF firewall since it will add no protection? Well, that will simplify > > things a lot

Re: [Leaf-devel] [ leaf-Patches-432947 ] Resource monitor top

2001-06-15 Thread Kenneth Hadley
I had top packaged but seam to have lost itI'll make another available late today -Kenneth Hadley - Original Message - From: "Mike Noyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] [ leaf-Patches-432947 ] Resource monitor

Re: [Leaf-devel] [ leaf-Patches-432947 ] Resource monitor top

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone, Who would like to evaluate this package? [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-06-13 17:16 -0700 >Patches item #432947, was updated on 2001-06-13 17:16 >You can respond by visiting: >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=313751&aid=432947&group_id >=13751 > >Category: None >Group: None >

Re: [Leaf-devel] [ leaf-Patches-432949 ] Console for hybrid cable modems

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone, Who would like to evaluate this package? [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-06-13 17:20 -0700 >Patches item #432949, was updated on 2001-06-13 17:20 >You can respond by visiting: >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=313751&aid=432949&group_id >=13751 > >Category: packages >Group: Non

Re: [Leaf-devel] New Development Platform?

2001-06-15 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > Jack Coates wrote: > > [speaking of Portage, a version of the BSD ports tree for Linux] > > That would rock, speaking as one who's been bitten by many an > > rpm-related problem... Does picoBSD have anything like that? Could be a > > good place to raid

Re: [Leaf-devel] New Development Platform?

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Jack Coates wrote: [speaking of Portage, a version of the BSD ports tree for Linux] > That would rock, speaking as one who's been bitten by many an > rpm-related problem... Does picoBSD have anything like that? Could be a > good place to raid. I don't believe so. I did run PicoBSD for a little

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Mike Sensney wrote: > > At 12:26 PM 06/14/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote > Windows users who don't know Linux/ipchains should just skip installing a > LEAF firewall since it will add no protection? Well, that will simplify > things a lot for the new users page. "You don't know Linux? Don't use

RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?

2001-06-15 Thread Luis.F.Correia
Yeah! I got this: This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original