is a sleeping law related to adoptive children being treated
different,
as it would never happen.
Anne
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Date: Thursday, September 20, 2007 18:44
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
to
be shown as such.
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Ok you're not really talking realities here, so no one thought about
the point that the heir
Royalty can adopt, but, as you say, the adopted child would be treated
differently from the heir of the body, which is what the discussion was
about. The main differentiation however is that a large number of adoptees
are still alive, certainly in England, who were born under the old system.
They
to
be shown as such.
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Ok you're not really talking realities here, so no one thought about
the point
How many heirs to the thrones in Europe have adopted?
Anne
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From: John Clare
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Royalty can adopt, but, as you say
would.
Anne
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Easy- No adoptee can ever inherit the crown. If that isn't treating
adoptees different
requires that some adopted children be treated differently.
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From: Anne Hildrum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
How many heirs to the thrones in Europe
Greetings:
Changing the direction a wee bit...
If the time is prior to 1926, when adoption was formally legalized in
England... how would one enter in the daughter of one of the parents, and
who was not necessarily related to the other parent? The biological father
is not known, but the
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Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:41 am
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So what, there would never be any adopted child in the family of the
heir to the crown.
So your total unrealistic point, isn't such a good point regarding how
to treat adopted
children as any adopted
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:00:41 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Greetings:
Changing the direction a wee bit...
If the time is prior to 1926, when
Hi Jim,
She'd be entered as Jane SMITH with an AKA as Jane JONES
I'd enter her with two sets of parents. Her mother and unknown father
and her mother and Charles JONES.
I'd enter parent-child relationships showing Charles as step-father.
That's what he would have been if the first
He would be entered as a Step-Parent
On 9/21/07, Jim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings:
Changing the direction a wee bit...
If the time is prior to 1926, when adoption was formally legalized in
England... how would one enter in the daughter of one of the parents, and
who was not
Thanks all for advice.
Jim
On 9/21/07, Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Jim,
Jim Smith
Tampa, FL 33624
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Phil Hawkins wrote: What has this to do with Legacy???
Absolutely nothing Phil, from what I can tell. At the risk of becoming a
complete bore, can we *please* stick to discussions about Legacy and the
add-ons?
Maureen
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John Clare wrote:
Royalty can adopt, but, as you say, the adopted child would be treated
differently from the heir of the body, which is what the discussion
was about. The main differentiation however is that a large number of
adoptees are still alive, certainly in England, who were born
I want to make clear that I admitted that it was an error as regards
the European countries named, about whose adoption laws I know
nothing. And I certainly was not considering monarchies or titles.
As far as I know, all US states currently treat adoptees the same as
biological children.
Sara
Sara,
With regard to the US adoptions, I believe it to be as you have stated.
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From: Sara Binkley Tarpley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 7:38 pm
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I want
of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:30:22 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED
, England, Luxemburg, Leichenstein, The
Netherlands, Belgium, and Monaco.
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From: Sara Binkley Tarpley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:29 pm
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I am somewhat
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Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 3:48 am
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
As a Brit, I would like to know in what way the English Law (which
btw doesn't
exist) adoptees are treated differently. At one time they could only
inherit
from the adoptive
, September 20, 2007 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
This is an over generalization that is simply not true.
I can name off the top of my head 10 western european countries
that, by law, require adoptees be treated differently than others
within their adoptive
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:20:20 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You'll note that I never used the term English Law... however-
There are three specific instances under British law that required
different treatment
I apologize for making an untrue statement. This is probably the only
list that I am on that is international. To the best of my knowledge,
all U. S. states treat adopted children the same as biological
children.
Sara
On 9/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You'll note that I
Certainly the Letters Patent determine the path of inheritance and there are
four Scottish Countesses in their own right at the moment since their
Letters Patent specify heirs of the body. Also, on occasion a special
condition in included such as the Dukedom of Marlborough also allowed
inheritance
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Certainly the Letters Patent determine the path of inheritance and there are
four Scottish Countesses in their own right at the moment since their Letters
Patent specify heirs of the body
relationships. Hopefully they will remain so!
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Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 5:51 pm
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Certainly the Letters Patent determine the path
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Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 8:56 pm
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There are terms for nonbiological relationships: mother, father,
grandmother, grandfather. Where there is a need, these can be
modified with the terms biological and adoptive. If my
:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:29:52 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why should the use
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For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:29:52 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED
I am somewhat reluctant to post on this again as I fear it may be
getting off topic. Let me begin by saying if the law thinks that the
terms mother, father, parent, son, daughter, and child are
adequate to cover adoptive relationships, why is there a problem using
them in genealogy for such
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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:29:52 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
If such relationships are not explicitly stated in a genealogy then
that genealogy is flawed in that it can lead readers to a false
conclusion
While it may well be true that there is no legal difference now, this is not
true of the past. My mother was adopted and her adoptive mother left a
legacy to both her children. My aunt received hers, but my mother did not
since she was not specifically mentioned in the Will, merely referred to a
] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
But what if someone 100 years from now saw an outline tree and
believed that an adopted child was biological? Would that be the end
of the world? Genealogy is a fascinating hobby, attractive for many
different reasons to some people, of no interest whatsoever to many
?
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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:29:25 AM
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But what if someone 100 years from now saw an outline tree
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
But what if someone 100 years from now saw an outline tree and
believed that an adopted child was biological? Would that be the end
of the world
Pat...you are the first respondent that correctly re-phrased the problem.
Thank you.
Ron Taylor
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From: TH
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
You
, The
Netherlands, Belgium, and Monaco.
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From: Sara Binkley Tarpley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:29 pm
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
I am somewhat reluctant to post on this again as I
Mary [M Brenzel] wrote: I think it's time to put this discussion to rest.
I agree. People will have various views on this adoption topic so perhaps
this is not the forum for such a discussion. Could we get back to Legacy
and its add-ons and how they work?
Maureen
Legacy User Group
Computers 'think' in yes/no, on/off, black/white. It
assumes all children listed were born to both parents.
That is why the relationships are given drop down
choices.
Rich in LA CA
--- Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Legacy User Group guidelines:
You can't have it both ways :)
On 9/18/07, Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm late getting involved in this discussion -- sorry!! -- got behind.
This discussion makes me wonder about the following situation:
A married couple named Smith had no children. And so in the marriage info
: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Ahh, but this couple did have a child. They just didn't have any
biological children. How do you think the adopted child would feel to
see that his parents had no children? Furthermore, legally it would
be incorrect to say that the couple had
- WOW! More power to them!
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From: TH
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
You can't have it both ways :)
On 9/18/07, Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:30:16 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, the wording needs to be changed to This couple had no
descendants. Then a note
://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:30:16 -0400
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Actually, the wording needs to be changed
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:30:16 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, the wording needs to be changed to This couple had
On 9/14/07, Ron Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What Legacy needs is a
flag in the marriage record to indicate that children are connected to only
one parent and will never be connected to 2 parents because the second
parent is not unknown but never existed.
Maybe I'm being pedantic g but
Ron, do you also check Just leave it blank instead of Unknown?
Options Customise Data Format Word for Blank Records (Just
leave it blank.)
It works well for Legacy, but add-ons like Legacy Charting Companion
put in Unknown if the person field is blank for MRINs.
Cheers
Tracy
Legacy User
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:31:09 +1000
Ron, do you also check Just leave it blank instead of Unknown?
Options Customise Data Format Word
://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
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From: Ron Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007
You do not have to have a marriage for this. 1 - Add the child to the
mother. 2 - In the marriage screen change the mother to just that mother
or whatever else you would care to use. 3 - In children settings/child
status show the child as adopted. Tom..
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, I
have just indicated in the marriage record notes the detail about this
peculiar family.
Ron Taylor
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From: Tom Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter
Well, I'd either have the marriage record setup for her to be linked up to
either an unknown person - or make a fake no person person set the
marriage status to NOT MARRIED. and then have the child linked to them
with the child status of adopted. And yeah, I'd add a bunch of notes.I
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