On 13 Apr 2014 22:36, Ron Ferguson wrote:
Always. In 1752 it was not the months/dates which changed, but the start of
the year. I think, but stand to be corrected, that Feb's leap day may have
also been added
No. There'd been a Leap day since 1582 and its' calculation was the cause of the
On 13 Apr 2014 01:09, Ron Ferguson wrote:
They are simply a record of when these events were*registered*. Strictly
speaking I suppose that one should create a Registration Event for each type
then it would be clear that March 1852 was a quarter date.
That's precisely what I've started to do.
Forgetting all the issues of accuracy with the GRO Index it is worth
noting that an individual has 42 days in which to register a birth so a
13 week quarter on the birth index covers up to 18 weeks of possible
dates of birth. Deaths on the other hand are required to be registered
within 5 days,
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
Forgetting all the issues of accuracy with the GRO Index it is worth noting
that an individual has 42 days in which to register a birth so a
13 week quarter on the birth index covers up to 18 weeks of possible dates of
birth. Deaths
Ron Ferguson wrote:
David,
It would seem that you are not familiar with the English quarter days.
Historically these are the days on which many accounts had to be settled,
especially anything relating to land, property and government administration.
The actual day being the last day of
On 13 Apr 2014 15:48, singhals wrote:
Since you alluded to it -- was 31 March the quarter day when
the year began 25 Mar? Because my logic suggests quarter
day then would have been 26 June, which would explain a few
puzzles.
I ask primarily because I once ran across some Quaker MM
records
Only in England ... :)
C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON
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From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
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Cheryl,
Good question!
I suggest that you Google English
Apr 2014 09:48:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
Ron Ferguson wrote:
David,
It would seem that you are not familiar with the English quarter days.
Historically these are the days on which many accounts had to be settled,
especially anything relating to land, property
The bureaucrat that thought of this - wonder how many pints it took …
C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON
From: Susan Anderson [mailto:sander...@waitrose.com]
Sent: April 13, 2014 12:01 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
The Quarter days are 25 March, 24
On 13 Apr 2014 19:29, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
The bureaucrat that thought of this - wonder how many pints it took …
I think the English ( Wales?) legal system still adheres to these dates. So,
they've been known and used for a very, very long time.
--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)
Legacy
: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
The Quarter days are 25 March, 24 June, 29 Sept, 25 Dec. They can be
remembered by 5 letters March, 4 June, 9 September and Xmas Day. Rents are
still paid on Quarter days--- I have to send out invoices!
Sue Anderson
From: singh...@erols.com
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On 13/04/2014 19:33, Ron Ferguson wrote:
There were no what we would call bureaucrats at the time, say 2000+
years ago, everything related to time was related to natural phenomena,
lunar, solar cycles etc.
I presumed CG was referring to the method of remembering the dates of
the Quarter days.
MikeFry wrote:
On 13 Apr 2014 15:48, singhals wrote:
Since you alluded to it -- was 31 March the quarter day when
the year began 25 Mar? Because my logic suggests quarter
day then would have been 26 June, which would explain a few
puzzles.
I ask primarily because I once ran across some
GRO Quarter Dates are not dates but actually publication references.
Properly, for Legacy to convert them to dates, Legacy should do so by rendering
them in the form before (quarter end date). All that is actually known is
that the event took place prior to the quarter's end.
Note that not
Cheryl,
Always. In 1752 it was not the months/dates which changed, but the start of the
year. I think, but stand to be corrected, that Feb's leap day may have also
been added
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
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singhals singh...@erols.com wrote:
MikeFry wrote:
On 13 Apr 2014
Legacy does a marvelous job of 'cleaning up' date entries. However, an
English (?) Quarter date must be entered [month] Q [year].
Legacy says that Jan-Mar 1876 is a date range (I agree) but also suggests
that Jan-Feb-Mar 1876 is a date range, where others (Ancestry for one)
accept this format
Why not lobby Ancestry to change their formatting to conform to Legacy's
standard. Why should it be Legacy's responsibility to conform to
Ancestry's format?
Ron Bernier
On Saturday, April 12, 2014, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote:
Legacy does a marvelous job of 'cleaning up' date
, 2014 7:04 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
Why not lobby Ancestry to change their formatting to conform to Legacy's
standard. Why should it be Legacy's responsibility to conform to Ancestry's
format?
Ron Bernier
On Saturday, April 12, 2014
*To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
Why not lobby Ancestry to change their formatting to conform to Legacy's
standard. Why should it be Legacy's responsibility to conform to
Ancestry's format?
Ron Bernier
On Saturday, April 12, 2014, Bob Austen rgaus
: Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:31 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
If that is the case, then the OP should be contacting both Ancestry and Legacy.
My point is, the requests are always for Legacy to change what they are doing.
It's always - I want to use
While I see your problem, largely because I have it in
reverse, I don't see a need to change anything in Legacy or
Ancestry or whatever.
It's a bad date because non-British researchers interpret
Jan-Feb-March 1876 differently than British researchers.
Americans who don't do British research read
Bob,
Q date is a Legacy innovation introduced, in my view wrongly by user request.
The correct reference format is last month of the quarter+year, which is what I
use - not to mention all English statutory bodies.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
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Bob Austen
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Why not lobby Ancestry to change their formatting to conform to Legacy's
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Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:31 AM
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If that is the case, then the OP should be contacting
On 12 Apr 2014 15:31, Bob Austen wrote:
Why must legacy be so restrictive when entering English quarter dates?
Because this is exactly how FreeBMD records them!
--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)
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Absolutely agree, Ron
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
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Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote:
If that is the case, then the OP should be contacting both Ancestry and Legacy.
My point is, the requests are always for Legacy
On 12/04/2014 16:06, Ron Ferguson wrote:
Q date is a Legacy innovation introduced, in my view wrongly by user
request.
The correct reference format is last month of the quarter+year, which is
what I use - not to mention all English statutory bodies.
Admittedly FreeBMD (to take one very
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Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:20 PM
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On 12/04/2014 16:06, Ron Ferguson wrote:
Q date is a Legacy innovation introduced, in my view wrongly by user
request.
The correct reference format is last
David,
It would seem that you are not familiar with the English quarter days.
Historically these are the days on which many accounts had to be settled,
especially anything relating to land, property and government administration.
The actual day being the last day of each quarter - the first
, April 12, 2014 1:47 PM
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
David,
It would seem that you are not familiar with the English quarter days.
Historically these are the days on which many accounts had to be settled,
especially anything relating to land, property
.
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From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:47 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Quarter
How would you know March 1852 is a quarter date? It could also mean that
it happened in the month of March in 1852 but the day of the month is
unknown. That is why we elected to add the Q to the date. That
eliminates the confusion between a March event and an event registered
at the GRO in a three
Brian,
I did say that the way I deal with these is not a recommendation. The BMD
quarter dates have nothing, at least directly, to with the actual BMDs
They are simply a record of when these events were *registered*. Strictly
speaking I suppose that one should create a Registration Event for
: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 3:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
How would you know March 1852 is a quarter date? It could also mean that it
happened in the month of March in 1852 but the day
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter Dates
Apologies, I should have thanked both Colin and Tony. Tony's way requires a
little more work but a registration is after all an event so it seems to make
more sense to me than putting the quarter date into the date field.
Christine
I use
Many thanks to all of you who answered my query. Colin's response however was
closest to my current way of thinking.
Christine
I use a registration event and put something like Sep 1841 in the date
field. The full sentence reads:
[HisHer] birth was registered during the quarter ended
Apologies, I should have thanked both Colin and Tony. Tony's way requires a
little more work but a registration is after all an event so it seems to make
more sense to me than putting the quarter date into the date field.
Christine
I use a registration event and put something like Sep 1841
I use a registration event and put something like Sep 1841 in the date
field. The full sentence reads:
[HisHer] birth was registered during the quarter ended [Date] at the
[~Place], with GRO reference [Desc] [Notes].[Sources]
I put something like vol 2b, page 234 in the Desc field and only use
I would appreciate some guidance from those researching in England re quarter
dates. As an example, I have been entering in the birth field Mar Q 1841
which is the date when the birth was registered. I am wondering if others
enter Abt 1841 in the birth date field and make an event for the
On 23/12/2011 14:33, gen_quest wrote:
I would appreciate some guidance from those researching in England re
quarter dates. As an example, I have been entering in the birth field
Mar Q 1841 which is the date when the birth was registered. I am
wondering if others enter Abt 1841 in the birth
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From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter Dates
On 23/12/2011 14:33, gen_quest wrote:
I would appreciate
Actually, the Dates Help topic in Legacy for entering quarter dates reads:
Quarter Dates
There is a special date format for recording dates from the indexes
of Births, Marriages, and Deaths for England and Wales published by
the GRO (General Records Office). These indexes are organized on a
On 2011/12/23 18:24, David C Abernathy wrote:
I have never seen or heard the use of a Month and Quarter at the same time. I
have only seen 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th Quarter.
That all depends on how you define and annotate your quarters. In the UK, the
financial year used to run from April to March.
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Quarter Dates
I would appreciate some guidance from those researching in England re quarter
dates. As an example, I have been entering in the birth field Mar Q 1841
which is the date when the birth was registered. I am wondering if others
enter Abt 1841
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From: Jenny M Benson Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter Dates
On 23/12/2011 15:12, Bob Rowe wrote:
I have gone at this in two ways and not sure which one I like better.
For some of the BMD events I have used “Q2, 1841â
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