Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-15 Thread Paul Rogers
> Paul Rogers wrote: > >> Well, except if the kernel breaks something, just remove the file and > >> grub entry and then reboot. If a BIOS/UEFI update causes an issue, you > >> get the pleasure of finding out whether there is a supported downgrade > >> path. :-) > > > > IF your system hasn't been

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-15 Thread Pol Vangheluwe
There is still life besides Intel and AMD: More about Spectre and the PowerPC (or why you may want to dust that G3 off) pvg > > -- > http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ:

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-15 Thread Thomas Seeling
Hallo, > Not all the microcode is to fix Spectre! > > My experience is that intel microcode for older processors does not > get changed, but they copy it into the latest tarball. When I I dowloaded the 2018 microcode package and to my big surprise I found files for old CPUs where there was no

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-14 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Paul Rogers wrote: Well, except if the kernel breaks something, just remove the file and grub entry and then reboot. If a BIOS/UEFI update causes an issue, you get the pleasure of finding out whether there is a supported downgrade path. :-) IF your system hasn't been "bricked". If you are

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-14 Thread Paul Rogers
> Well, except if the kernel breaks something, just remove the file and > grub entry and then reboot. If a BIOS/UEFI update causes an issue, you > get the pleasure of finding out whether there is a supported downgrade > path. :-) IF your system hasn't been "bricked". -- Paul Rogers

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-14 Thread DJ Lucas
On 01/13/2018 06:09 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Paul Rogers wrote: Updating microcode can be a dangerous thing.  I've never found a need to live on the bleeding edge of technology. I agree about bleeding edge issues, but leading edge is OK.  My view is that rc releases and betas or earlier are

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-14 Thread Paul Rogers
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Paul Rogers wrote: > > > Updating microcode can be a dangerous thing. I've never found a need > > to live on the bleeding edge of technology. > > I agree about bleeding edge issues, but leading edge is OK. My view is > that rc releases

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-13 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Paul Rogers wrote: Updating microcode can be a dangerous thing. I've never found a need to live on the bleeding edge of technology. I agree about bleeding edge issues, but leading edge is OK. My view is that rc releases and betas or earlier are bleeding edge and latest stable is leading

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-13 Thread Paul Rogers
> I don't have any love for general initrds, but using an initrd for > microcode allows early loading - for a few intel machines with buggy > microcode, that is the only available method. Sure, if it comes to that being necessary. Otherwise, I'll opt for late loading whenever possible. AFAICT,

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-12 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 02:31:27PM -0800, Paul Rogers wrote: > > For matching filenames to hardware, I guess you mean the family - > > - model - stepping part : I don't know of any way to convert that to > > particular CPUs, > > /proc/cpuinfo gives us that, plus the microcode level. > No, it

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-12 Thread Paul Rogers
> > Not all the microcode is to fix Spectre! True enough, but I don't feel an urgency to fix anything else. ;-) > > My experience is that intel microcode for older processors does not > get changed, but they copy it into the latest tarball. Intel took some heat for their early attempts at

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-12 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 09:48:11AM -0800, Paul Rogers wrote: > This morning I was referred to this site with microcode updates: > https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27431/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File > > But it claims to have microcode updates going back to the venerable "P54" >

[lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-12 Thread Paul Rogers
This morning I was referred to this site with microcode updates: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27431/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File But it claims to have microcode updates going back to the venerable "P54" Pentium-90 and "P55" Pentium-233 MMX. I'm confused. We're not told