My fstab list things thusly:
/dev/dasda1 / ext3acl, user_xattr
1 1
Is that device path notation?
Jon
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I don't know much about Python -- I have one book and have only begun
reading it -- but I already prefer it to Perl. (Of course, I prefer
Ruby to Python so far, but that may change.)
From my pitiful bit of reading, Python is in many ways the anti-Perl.
Perl was designed by a linguist; Python
?
On Aug 5, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Jon Brock wrote:
I don't know much about Python -- I have one book and have only begun
reading it -- but I already prefer it to Perl.
http://www.xkcd.com/353/
Adam
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My only exposure to Debian so far is with Ubuntu, which I recently
started up in a virtual box on this PC. Is there a good reference for
the differences/peculiarities of Debian versus, say, Red Hat?
Thanks,
Jon
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I'd like to point out--and please pardon the advertisement--that if
In that case, the next time I need a file system that will corrupt my
data at blazing speed, I'll pick reiserfs.
Jon
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To any of you who may contemplating doing this sort of thing, it turns
out that there is a way; it's just not (yet) in the z/OS 1.8 docs.
From IBMLink document BDC37119:
The NFS client uses ports from 1023 down for the number specified
in biod(n) plus one. A sample of what you should add to
This is a cross-post with the IBM-MAIN list:
I am experimenting with mounting a Linux file system (RHEL 4, running
under zVM) on z/OS. I can get it to work, but it wants to use an
unsecured port (4005, I think it was). How can I get NFS on z/OS to use
a particular port? Is it a matter of
When I tried to mount the file system on z/OS, Linux would reject it
with message request from insecure port (0a0a0185:4005) recorded in
/var/log/messages. I can mount the file systems successfully if I
include the insecure parameter in /etc/exports, but I'd rather not do
that.
Jon
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I am
Thanks for the suggestions, all. I got pulled off onto some z/OS work
for a while, but I'm back on this now.
I think that I will go with the nostart file solution for the quick
fix and look at implementing a menued solution later.
I'm hoping to set up clustering later for this particular
I have a few Linux guests which run WebSphere. There are times when
applying maintenance, etc, that I need to reboot Linux on these guests.
If I have WebSphere auto-start during the boot process then every time I
boot I have to wait for WAS to finish coming up - something that takes
several
That gave me a real shock: due to the order in which my browser loaded
the images the first thing I saw was Marcy Cortes' picture . . . labeled
Oliver Benke.
Jon
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Look here for more monitor abuse:
http://linuxvm.org/community/index.html
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blazing saddles
I didn't get a harumph outta that guy!
/blazing saddles
Jon
This argument assumes a rational actor. Western-style capitalism is
rarely populated by rational actors. Berkelyites and utilitarians, yes.
Rational actors, no.
Or maybe I'm just having a rotten day. Harrumph.
We have LTSP installed here, but I wasn't involved in setting it up.
Some folks from Lillecorp did it while they were here. The idea was to
use it for booting desktop boxes whose hard drive was on the fritz; I
haven't tried booting another guest image from it.
Jon
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How about inside the
This reminds me of something I saw just the other day. I was looking on
the Shire website (found that from Rich Smrcina's SHARE presentation on
the web) to see what sort of Hobbit modules were out there now, since I
hadn't been able to fool with Hobbit for a while. Turns out there is
one module
From
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic;
articleId=9029558
(or for a while at http://tinyurl.com/2mnd9h )
IBM is merging its server blade and data integration software
technologies to create a data virtualization offering that's supposed to
consolidate and
I have had loads of trouble on my laptop with talking through my
WPA-protected wireless router at home. WEP worked fine, but WPA has
been a royal pain. I finally got it running using a couple of
wpa-supplicant commands, but it still drops out frequently. I can boot
the same laptop on XP and all
Yeah, I'm fresh out of whatever. And I'm running a bit low on stuff,
thingummies, and whatsits, too.
Jon
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Not everyone has the time, budget, management patience, or whatever to
do what is needed to get around that.
/snip
Those are the versions I need. Unfortunately, that's the problem. We let our
maintenance agreement lapse, so I can't get RHEL 5; that would allow me to
circumvent the whole dilemma. RHEL 4 has an old version of mod_dav_svn.so.
I eventually recompiled Apache to regen the mod_dav_svn module,
Does anyone out there have a mod_dav_svn.so for zlinux that is later
than 1.1.4? I have run into version problems trying to get WebSphere/HATS to
work correctly with Subversion.
I have Subversion 1.4.3 and Apache 2.0.52, but when I access our
repository via Firefox it says
This is what I want: http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail-450.asp?ID=1
One guy who uses it (or an earlier model) to make 3D puzzles calls it his
Santa Claus machine. He starts it up at night and in the morning he has the
finished product waiting for him.
Jon
I just said I wanted it. I didn't say I could get it.
Having had my first child (she's 3 now) at age 42, in a few more years I'm
going to be saying, Let's see now ... dentures or tuition, tuition or
dentures, what's the call?
Jon
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Yeah, but it's still $40K. When desktop models are
If you have just upgraded to VM 5.2, check for a messsage along the lines of
Error 'E00A'X adding IP address'.
If you are getting this message, then that is the problem. (Recognize the
voice of experience in this?) Fortunately, there's a PTF you can apply. See
APAR VM64162. (PTF UM32042, I
It has been brought to my attention that there is no such thing as Instwiki,
which I mentioned yesterday. That is because I mis-typed it -- the name should
actually be instiki (with no w).
Sorry for any inconvenience.
Jon
If all you need is a small, easy to set up, and easy to carry around wiki, you
could try Instwiki.
Jon
I also am looking for something to collect documentation tidbits into a DB
that all can contribute to. We do have a need to search and organise though.
We are a very small group (6
I haven't done it yet, but was planning on doing it when I got some free time.
I would much appreciate such a document.
(Haha! Free time! chuckle, snort F-free t-t-time! I can hardly even say
it. guffaw, chortle)
I just kill me.
Jon
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How many people on the list have installed
Is anyone out there running Connector Foundation from
GEAC/Infor/whoever-they-are-this-week on zSeries Linux? Their install
procedures are specifically tailored for Intel machines and I am having a devil
of a time figuring out how to get it going.
Thanks,
Jon
They install procedure consists of running a binary file off of the CD. The
.bin file includes, among other things, a JRE. This JRE is then extracted and
the rest of the process runs on it. The embedded JRE is 386-specific.
Since the install mainly just copies files to a particular
I wasn't, but just a couple of minutes ago I removed a line that was apparently
disabling them. Now I think I'm getting somewhere. Too bad I have to leave in
a few minutes. Maybe I can get this going tonight or tomorrow.
Jon
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Are you getting error messages?
/snip
(I am cross-posting this message to the linux-390 and IBMVM lists.)
We are going to be getting into using WebSphere and HATS at my shop.
We have 1 IFL running VM, with Linux guests. Most of the configuration
information I have seen presumes standalone boxes rather than a virtualized
Since you are running MVS on your box, you can always (assuming you are sharing
DASD) take your volume-level backups on the MVS side, which is what we do so
far. To add to the fun, if your DASD has snapshot capability, you can get
minimal guest downtime by:
1) Shut down a guest.
2) Snap its
It can be effective, but it can't be *counted on* to be effective.
Jon
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Low - rely on the probability that the Windows admin will never find/look
for the key file in the file system (security through obscurity can be
very effective :))
/snip
I know. I should have included a smiley face of my own. Or, given the
problems I am currently experiencing with IBM Link, maybe a grimacey face.
Jon
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It was kind of a joke - note the smiley face.
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I was going to install subversion on one of our RHEL4 images, so I
checked for an RPM under our RHEL4 install tree. OK, there's subversion 1.1.
I wanted to check on whether there is a later version at Red Hat, so I went
a-searchin' at rhn.redhat.com. Imagine my surprise when I can't
On our system even those guests with RMFPMS running are only doing about 0.1%
when idle. Would the timer patch (already mentioned by someone) make that much
of a difference?
Jon
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I doubt Rob was referring to RMFPMS, but rather Velocity tools that are more
light weight.
/snip
I believe he was saying that he didn't think that the FAQ had sufficient
discussion of the VM/LPAR choice.
VM pros: Flexibility, testability, large number of images possible.
VM cons: Training required
LPAR pros: Don't have to pay for VM.
LPAR cons: See other posts in this thread.
Jon
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Must be due to lack of training. rim shot
Jon
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Is it just me? Don't you find the syntax descriptions of Linux commands
hard to understand because they're not written with so-called railroad
diagrams?
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Can anyone give me a brief description of what JBoss is? We are apparently
going to need it in conjunction with a project we have here that involves using
WebSphere Application Server and HATS to front-end some of our CICS
applications. I thought that JBoss was an app server/middleware
Yeah, I just found that out after reading this post:
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=2904715forum_id=4143
I had already downloaded the source and un-tarred it. The README file says
this:
Download and install GT.M binary distribution from SourceForge if you do not
have
For the sake of my own curiosity, I am looking at installing WorldVista
(an electronic medical-records system built on the U.S. Veterans
Administration's VistA work) on z/Linux. I have created a system (RHEL 4) and
downloaded one of the SemiViva packages from Sourceforge. (SemiViva is
Yep, that's it. (This was my first exposure to the file command. Into the
toolbox it goes.)
I had not been able to find any documentation on the site that would tell me if
it had an architecture restriction. I'm sure it's there somewhere, but I
haven't seen it.
Thanks,
Jon
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Was
I'm on the download page right now and I still don't see it. I am either blind
or nutso.
Of course, those are not mutually exclusive.
Jon
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I looked at download page and they say it is all for
i386 architecture...
/snip
OK, I see it now. Definitely blind *and* nutso.
Thanks,
Jon
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On Download page there is file reference table with
architecture column.
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The file in question -- mupip -- is apparently the open-sourced Mumps called
GT:M. It is available on Sourceforge as x86 source. I don't see anything I
can use as-is, but, given how oblivious I was a few minutes ago, that doesn't
say much.
Jon
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Do they only provide executable files?
It is usually called M these days, but it's still out there in the healthcare
industry.
Jon
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MUMPS, there's a name I've not heard in a long, long time.
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My thoughts exactly. It's not very likely, but it's worth a shot. That will
be my next step, tomorrow.
Thanks,
Jon
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If it's source, it may compile...
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Here: http://www.moller.com/skyc.htm
I have been wanting one for years.
Jon
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Like Steve Carl said in the early months of 2000:
Where are the flying cars? We were supposed to have flying cars!.
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Heh. Sent this to the wrong list on my first try. Take two:
This may not be the correct place to ask this question, but Google isn't
helping a ton and I can't bear the thought of posting into most other Linux
fora, so I'm going to run this past you folks first.
To cut to the chase, as part
From Linux Worst Practices: What Not to Do by Adam Thornton:
http://zjournal.com/ - October/November 2006 issue. I almost snorted coffee
when I ran across:
. . . the GPL, which is, in fact,
the foundation for the social contract of
an entire utopian society of superevolved
beings of pure
No, I hadn't seen the demo before. Thanks for the link; that is certainly the
bees' knees!
Makes me want to go corrupt some file systems to see what would happen.
Well, OK, not really.
Jon
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Now you are talking: ZFS looks great, cheap disks and reliability too.
I wonder if we will
Indeed. Jaffe's Conjecture usually kicks into play.
Jon
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A drama generally does not have a totally predictable outcome. Jon, I
know that YOU know what happens to threads there that go on to long! :-)
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Hey. I had only 2.5 hours of sleep last night, and had to get up early to
to the airport. Besides, whaddaya think this is? IBM-MAIN? ;-)
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Yeah, the Velocity people are The Best. I have been pushing to get ESAMON
here, but the ever-present budget constraints have not allowed it so far.
After the problem with the app I mentioned, VM/Linux may be dead at this shop,
so I may never get it in here.
Jon
snip
Jon, drop a note to the
If you are going to be examining your DASD setup, check to see if you have your
file systes striped. I did a few tests here and saw performance increase about
10% when I striped the file systems. You have to weigh this against the fact
that you can not dynamically extend a striped file
True enough, but I have yet to find anyone who doesn't fully utilize the PVs to
begin with. (Now I'm the one doing the assuming.) I'm sure there are folks
who do -- and probably for this very reason -- but there aren't very many.
Yes, I was referring to LVM and to EXT file systems. The way
Actually, this leads me to a related question I have been wanting to ask: is
anyone aware of an analysis of the difference between a single-IFL vs a
multi-IFL system under VM?
We have an application we wanted to bring up under VM/Linux, but when we tried
it we had great difficulty with it
I want Beeblebrox's position.
Jon
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Nor, indeed, do I wish a career in politics at such a paltry level.
Thornton for Autocrat, that's my motto.
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What would interest me more would be getting gcc available in z/OS Unix System
Services. But that's another list . . .
Jon
snip
If there is serious interest in funding someone to do it, we have the
people and are willing to get it done.
/snip
That's certainly interesting. I hadn't heard of PDPCLIB or the whole
SPFTOOLS stuff before. The problem I have had here is lack of a C compiler on
z/OS (not to mention lack of time, talent, expertise, marbles, and sundry other
things).
Who knows? If I get a few things
Sure I could; I'd just have to pay for them out of my own pocket, and it is
already shy of everything but lint.
Jon
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Or, of course; you could license our tools... http://www.dignus.com
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Rich,
Do you know whether there is a more recent version of the z/OS Hobbit
client that is on deadcat.net or whether the source is available? The last
time I tried to use it I could get it to send status data once and then it
would abend. I haven't messed with it in a while, though.
I thought of that. Maybe one day when things slow down a little . . .
Haha! Slow down. I just kill me.
Jon
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The version on deadcat.net is the only one that I know of. If there is
an author indicated you may try contacting him/her.
/snip
I find that particular bit -- taking any action based on it is strictly
prohibited -- very amusing. You're allowed to read it, but it shouldn't make
any difference whether you do or not.
Jon
snip
copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on
it, is strictly
Has anyone out there bought one of the new Mac Pros? If so, have you turned it
into a multi-boot (or maybe Xen-based multi-OS) system? Anybody?
Bueller?
Jon
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That's why I was asking about multi-boot/multi-OS configurations. I was under
the impression that MacOS would run under Xen. Is that not the case?
Jon
snip
Personally, I would not spend the
extra money for an Apple system to wipe the OS and install Linux as the only
OS.
/snip
Thanks. My current desktop is starting to show its age, and I'm exploring my
options.
Jon
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I haven't done either, but there is a virtualization product out for
Intel-based Macs that works just great: Parallels Desktop. $49. Runs
everything I've tried, and you don't have to reboot to get
Thanks to everyone for the help with my request. What I have decided
on (at least for the time being) is to install Postfix on the guests I'm
interested in and run it instead of sendmail. I can get that done with a
series of short, easy-to-document steps, whereas sendmail wasn't
I'm not so much interested in using an email client for composing,
sending, and receiving email as I am in having a standardized MTA that programs
such as Tripwire, Logwatch, Nagios, and Hobbit can use for alerts and
exceptional conditions. What I would like is for them to send their
Postfix is what I am trying right now. I have gotten one guest working
with it, but I have another which is refusing to cooperate; I'm thinking of
upgrading the version of postfix to match the one that works.
Jon
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For that purpose, I use postfix listening only on the localhost.
I am planning on starting up TripWire and a couple of other things on
some of my guests, and I want to have them mail their output to my company
email address. It appears that I need an MTA for this purpose.
We are running RHEL4 on these particular guests, and the default MTA
What happens when you try to boot a restored system?
Jon
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FDR says working as designed. They back up the entire volume and restore
the entire volume. I have restored 3 systems and they DO NOT BOOT.
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Pam,
Does this data reside on a SnapShot- or FlashCopy-capable DASD
subsystem? If so, you can reduce your outage time to a couple of minutes per
image instead of an hour. I haven't been backing up our systems lately, but I
think I had it down to about two minutes -- most of which was
For my part, I do volume backups because it is pretty much all I *can*
do right now. I don't have a client for Veritas or some such, and I can't
control my tape robotics with Bacula. I am still considering other options,
and I hope to get a Veritas client license, but I'm open to
Our robotics are controlled by Storagetek's software on our z/OS system; we do
not have a VM version. As far as APIs go, I have no idea.
Jon
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What do you currently use to control your tape robotics?
We did a demo of how to use a client-server program to make Bacula
think it could drive
You live in a beautiful area. Virginia?
Jon
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I wondered that when I saw the title was BC-Daisies-200607, but I thought he
worked at the Sine Nomine main office, which is in VA.
Jon
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Not even close, Jon.:-)
Adam's place is in rural British Columbia, CA. When the revolution
comes, it's where my family and I are holing up...
I don't know, but I think it's the same in RHEL. I don't get it.
Jon
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Mark D Pace
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:52 PM
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Subject: Re: SLES/SLED10 RC Software Available
Why is the
This reminds me of a question I had been meaning to ask: Does anyone know
whether the virtualization systems mentioned -- especially Xen and VMWare --
support overcommitment of memory?
Thanks,
Jon
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Just playing Devil's Advocate here...
No one has mentioned that Virtualization (i.e.
We have a vendor doing some FTP stress-tests on one of our images, and their
tech has sent the following data, cut and pasted from a Linux screen.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# vmstat
procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io --system-- cpu
r b swpd free buff cache si
Yeah I have mentioned ESAMON more that once. We have a relationship with one
of your partners, so I hold out hope we might get it.
Back to the vendor. To tell the truth, I'm not sure why the tech is even
testing on this guest; there will be another (larger) guest that will be
handling all
One thing you will need to do is to ATTach your new volume to SYSTEM.
Jon
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John Summerfied
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:15 PM
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Subject: Re: MySQL location
Jon Brock wrote:
Sorry. Forgot to put the correct subject heading the first time . . .
Jon
Anybody know where the default directory
Anybody know where the default directory for the later versions of MySQL is?
It used to be /var/lib/mysql (I think), but I don't know about nowadays.
Thanks,
Jon
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Sorry. Forgot to put the correct subject heading the first time . . .
Jon
Anybody know where the default directory for the later versions of MySQL is?
It used to be /var/lib/mysql (I think), but I don't know about nowadays.
We drive the backup process from z/OS. I set up jobs that:
1) Signal shutdown to the VM linux guests via REXECD.
2) FORCE the VM guests.
3) Vary the guest volumes online to z/OS.
4) Snapshot the guest volumes. (We use FDR/Instant for snapshot/backup
purposes.)
5) Restart the VM guests.
6)
So who gets the broken stuff? Is it cannibalized for parts or should I start
raiding the dumpsters at Google?
Jon
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1U netbooted boxes (most of
their machines don't even HAVE disks, just CPU and network) are
essentially disposable at the volume that Google buys them -- 5000 to
1 at a
The Old Ones! The Old Ones come!
Or is it the Deep Ones? I'm a little rusty. Anyway, I'm not moving to
Innsmouth.
Jon
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I for one welcome our new aquatic masters.
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When they retired our last water-cooled mainframe I broached the idea to our
management of turning the tank into a hot tub, but they wouldn't go for it.
Jon
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Do I even want to know WHY you had a Shark disk subsytem in you house?
then againwho am I to talk, I have a 9672 shell in my
I have a Storagetek tape silo robot arm that I hope to have mounted on my wall
one day:
Yeah, that was one of the early model Terminators . . . T-1000, I think. It
was a royal pain to kill. Some woman helped me -- last name of Connor or
something.
Jon
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I've been using a DEC PDP-11/34
It was *all* of the Zork games.
Jon
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Or you are likely to be eaten by a grue - wait, that might be a Zork
game.
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I even saw a 100-sided die one time. It looked a lot like a large golf ball.
Took forever to stop rolling.
Jon
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Dude! You never played Dungeons Dragons? Two 20-sided dice
(icosahedra) give you a number between 00 and 99 with an even probability
distribution. Picture at
I thought there were some data corruption problems with Reiser on s390. Is my
impression mistaken?
Jon
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Reiserfs is more popular, because it is the default in SuSE. We've
observed a fair number of cases where reiserfs fails at very high I/O
rates, so we tend to use ext3 in places where we
Somebody let me know when they get around to cargo class.
Jon
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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 1:07 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: OT: RE: New z9 models
Would we get meals with the
We are running SLES8, RHEL3, and RHEL4 in our environment. No trouble with any
of them so far, although keep in mind the RHEL4 systems are new and have no
real work going on.
Jon
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As an IBMer I'm supposed to be neutral about distributions. This is easy
because I feel that both SLES and
Thanks to those of you who replied on this issue. I was under the (mistaken)
impressions that I had already done both the mkinitrd and zipl steps, but I
apparently forgot the mkinitrd. Mea culpa.
Thanks again,
Jon
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I'm sure I have seen this question answered before, but I can't find it on the
archives. I have a linux guest (SLES 8) under VM 5.1 which fails to bring its
logical volumes online when it is IPLed. After every boot, I have to go into
linux and issue a vgscan command, followed by an lvchange
The shutdown/snapshot/restart method is what we use -- quick, solid, and
relatively painless. Still, I would prefer not to have to do it that way,
though. Doesn't linux maintain I/O performance heuristics that are lost at
shutdown time?
Jon
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Linux has data in its
internal buffer cache
Thanks for the reply, Jay, and you just answered the follow-up question I was
going to ask; namely, is it possible to dynamically grow a striped LV. Guess
not.
I'll give the alternate format of the lvcreate command a try.
Thanks,
Jon
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Try this lvcreate command instead:
lvcreate
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Subject: MySQL PHP
Hi, all,
I have downloaded the latest binary version of MySQL for s390x
(version is 5.0.16-standard). I want to install the PHP-mysql
extensions, but I have run
Hi, all,
I have downloaded the latest binary version of MySQL for s390x (version
is 5.0.16-standard). I want to install the PHP-mysql extensions, but I have
run into a dependency problem:
error: Failed dependencies:
libmysqlclient.so.10() (64bit) is needed by
Are any of you out there running linux under z/VM with a large guest image?
That is, do you have any systems defined in the directory with a size greater
than, say, 1500MB or so? I'm interested in any large guests but especially
production ones.
If so, what sort of tuning problems have you
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