On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 12:11:32PM -0400, Paul Hanrahan wrote:
> Jan,
> [...]
> Have you tried running Hercules ?
Yes, I think that Jan may have some experience in that area. ;-)
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stems, and as
such they will not require any major modifications.
Just guessing, but there are not that may other possibilities for this to
work within the current architecture.
Jan Jaeger.
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> Consider what MPG offered: Increased performance. Moving to a more
> powerful machine plus the ability to RESERVE or LOCK guest pages helps
> make up for the loss of MPG. Plus, the limit of 6 preferred
> guests makes
> it less interesting for server consolidation, IMHO.
The limit of 6 preferre
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Paul,
Maybe you find some more input for your article on the history of virtualization.(details about the history of VM and S/370 / S/390 / zSeries) in Lynn Wheelers notes: http://www.garlic.com/~
Bob,
Thanks for the tip.
Paul H.
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Matthews
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Vol.13, No.3 (1974), has articles on "O
Matthews,
University of Geneva
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> Paul,
> You ask:
> >I'm doing an article on th
> Phil,
> Looked quickly at the article. Valuable. My first experience with
virtualization was the dynamic address translation done on IBM machines. The
Atlas machine appears to pre-date IBM's DAT facility.
If you REALLY want a quick braincheck, compare the late 1960s GEORGE III "Filestore"
wit
> I'll start looking for a copy of the article on VM/370.
IBM Systems Journals are available online at
http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/
In this case, just click "Search/Index" on the left at the above
URL and enter "VM/370". You will find all the Volume 18 Issue 1
articles.
Jim
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On Friday, 10/10/2003 at 03:23 AST, Henry Schaffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Paul,
> You ask
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> I'm doing an article on the history of virtualization. I've picked up
> a number of pieces off the internet. Anyone have any favor
> I'm doing an article on the history of virtualization. I've picked up a
> number of pieces off the internet. Anyone have any favorite sources on the
> emergence of virtualization in computing?
http://hoc.co.umist.ac.uk/storylines/compdev/commercialisation/atlas.html
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Phil Payne
http://www
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> Paul,
> You ask:
> >I'm doing an article on the history of virtualization. I've picked up a
> >number of pieces off the internet. Anyone have any favorite sources on
the
> >emergence of virtualization in computing?
>
>
Steve,
Thanks! I think I'll visit it again myself! Been a couple of years since I last read
the links there.
Bob
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Paul,
You ask:
>I'm doing an article on the history of virtualization. I've picked up a
>number of pieces off the internet. Anyone have any favorite sources on
>the emergence of virtu
Hi,
I'll print a copy off. Thank you.
Paul Hanrahan
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Hi,
Wow! Jan's a Hercules coder. I'm terrible with names. Probably saw Jan's
name on the documentation somewhere and didn't recall it. I got a real
kick
out of booting VM/370 release 6 on my pc. Brought back o
Paul,
You ask:
>I'm doing an article on the history of virtualization. I've picked up a
>number of pieces off the internet. Anyone have any favorite sources on the
>emergence of virtualization in computing?
There were a series articles, IIRC, in the IBM Systems Journal (a
"small" format journa
Melinda Varian's papers at the Princeton website are terrific. (sorry, don't have the
URL any more)
Bob
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On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 11:11, Paul Hanrahan wrote:
> Jan,
> Have you tried running Hercules ?
I think it's safe to assume that Jan is, ah, intimately familiar with
Hercules internals. (Much of the z/Arch support, for instance, is his
code).
Adam
On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 11:11, Paul Hanrahan wrote:
> Jan,
> Have you tried running Hercules ?
I think it's safe to assume that Jan is, ah, intimately familiar with
Hercules internals. (Much of the z/Arch support, for instance, is his
code).
Adam
Hercules ?
Paul Hanrahan
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Jaeger
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I did not say anything about the removal of SIE, just the SIE
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On Thursday, 10/09/2003 at 04:53 GMT, Jan Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Rick, see this from the positive side, once SIE assist code etc has been
> removed, there will no longer be a
rsday, October 09, 2003 12:53 PM
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Rick, see this from the positive side, once SIE assist code etc has been
removed, there will no longer be an argument for OCO ;-)
Jan Jaeger.
(How about z/VM V5 all source again?)
>From: Alan
On Thursday, 10/09/2003 at 04:53 GMT, Jan Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Rick, see this from the positive side, once SIE assist code etc has been
> removed, there will no longer be an argument for OCO ;-)
No one said anything about the removal of SIE; there continues to be
support for two lev
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> Jim ... I don't like where this is going.
> But then, I'm a purist: I see what VM offers and find
>
that do have a performance issue with multiple levels of
virtual storage (tpf?)
Jan Jaeger.
From: Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:32:58 EDT
&
On Thursday, 10/09/2003 at 09:12 EST, James Melin
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> There seems to be a prejudice here that every shop that is doing z/Linux
is
> also a vm shop, and this is patently false. One of the appealing things
> about a z-990 for OUR situation would be the 30 LPAR capability, as
> I have been bothered by lack of "basic mode" for the past couple
> years. Maybe this is not a problem, since I hear few customers
> complaining.
Rick:
Most customers running z900s are already running in LPAR mode. Don't
forget that if you have IFLs or ICFs on z900s or z800s you are forced
into
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On Thursday, 10/09/2003 at 12:38 EST, Richard Troth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Jim ... I don't like where this is going.
> But then, I'm a purist: I see wh
On Thursday, 10/09/2003 at 12:38 EST, Richard Troth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Jim ... I don't like where this is going.
> But then, I'm a purist: I see what VM offers and find
> little value in "VM in the hardware" other than to sell to
> those customers who either have the rare real problem w
> Unfortunately, you loose support for V=F guests on the z990. With the
> complexity of the I/O subsystem (two logical channel sets, 512
> channels) LPAR mode became mandatory to manage the environment. If you
> have images that really require the level of performance provided by
> V=R/V=F support,
> What is the status of multiple preferred guests on z990 machines?
> iirc the z990 cannot run in basic mode, which was always a prereq
> for multiple preferred guests. When running under PR/SM the MHPGF
> would be taken by PR/SM. Running multiple preferred guests will
> require something like 2nd
zones, unless PR/SM has changed such that it no longer uses the
MHPGF.
Jan Jaeger.
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:57:26 EDT
>>
>> This was further enhanced in announcements on June 11, 1987
>> with the VM/XA System Product and the Multiple High
>> Performance Guest Support facility (MHPGS) and February 15,
>> 1988 as the Processor Resource/Systems Manager (PR/SM) which
>> provides the Logical Partitioning facility (the fir
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Having read the article, while interesting (and important), Intel's
Vanderpool is scarcely the "one of the decade's most significant
breakthr
> This was
> further enhanced in announcements on June 11, 1987 with the VM/XA
> System Product and the Multiple High Performance Guest Support
> facility (MHPGS) and February 15, 1988 as the Processor
> Resource/Systems Manager (PR/SM) which provides the Logical
> Partitioning facility (the first
Having read the article, while interesting (and important), Intel's
Vanderpool is scarcely the "one of the decade's most significant
breakthroughs in computer technology".
IBM mainframes since 1981 have had a function known as "Interpretive
Execution" which is used the same way. On October 21, 198
> Hmmm, now Intel is figuring out that virtualization can be made
> easier with hardware. When was the SIE paper in R&D Journal, 1991?
> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4215
Volume 30 Issue 1 of the IBM Systems Journal (1991)
ESA/390 interpretive-execution architecture, foundat
Hmmm, now Intel is figuring out that virtualization can be made easier
with hardware. When was the SIE paper in R&D Journal, 1991?
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4215
- Mike
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