Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-16 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 9/14/07, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was Rob working with me on the Linux/390 wiki system that led him to the discovery that the IBM JDK was issuing 10ms sleeps. It wasn't just in the newer versions of the JDK, it was in the 1.4.2 ones as well. So, upgrading to a newer

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 9/14/07, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the importance of that depends on what you want to know, doesn't it? If you're interested in which Linux process is hogging the guest, the absolute number is irrelevant. But if you're comparing usage before and after some configuration

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread Evans, Kevin R
van der Heij Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:07 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: linux performance behind load balancer On 9/13/07, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finishing the thought, IBM's OMEGAMON comes to mind as well. There's more than one decent performance monitor

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 09/14/2007 at 02:19 EDT, Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you *are* very right that performance monitor should be part of your Proof of Concept. We don't see a PoC fail these days because software does not work or cannot be found. We see it fail because people suffer

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread Mark Post
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 6:48 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, As we are just switching to Omegamon and almost up to implementation of our first user to come into a new zLinux front end, can you give ant further details on your comment below?

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread Marcy Cortes
: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:20 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] linux performance behind load balancer On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 6:48 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread barton
comment below? Thanks Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:07 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: linux performance behind load balancer On 9/13/07, Alan Altmark [EMAIL

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread barton
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:20 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] linux performance behind load balancer On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 6:48 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, As we are just switching to Omegamon and almost up

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread Mark Post
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 4:11 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some issues with WAS right now that seriously impact Linux under z/VM. Rob's out of town, he can explain better. The problem is that the current JDK polls every 10ms. this means

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread Marcy Cortes
Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:20 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] linux performance behind load balancer On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 6:48 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, As we are just switching to Omegamon

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread Mark Post
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 4:57 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Do you know what level of the JDK that started in? It's been around for a while. The version I was running at the time Rob first investigated was an older 1.4.2 release. Mark Post

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-14 Thread John Summerfield
barton wrote: Forgive the soap box. This is old news. Linux process data in any virtual environment is wrong. This was measured and presented in a production environment as off by order of magnitude. This is true for all releases and distributions of linux. ibm claims there is a fix in sles10,

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-13 Thread Kate Riggsby
Thank you all for sharing experiences and for advice. It gives me hope there may be a way around my brick wall! Rob, page-in is what this problem feels like. But the lpar has 6G/2G of main/xstor and the total virtual storage of all the guests together is 3264M, of which the problem linux guest

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-13 Thread barton
A decent performance monitor (ESALPS comes to mind) will tell you exactly what processes are using the cpu and exactly how much. Have you considered running a decent performance monitor? Kate Riggsby wrote: Thank you all for sharing experiences and for advice. It gives me hope there may be

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-13 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 09/13/2007 at 10:22 EDT, barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A decent performance monitor (ESALPS comes to mind) will tell you exactly what processes are using the cpu and exactly how much. Have you considered running a decent performance monitor? Finishing the thought, IBM's

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-13 Thread Marcy Cortes
Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:56 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] linux performance behind load balancer On Thursday, 09/13/2007 at 10:22 EDT, barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-13 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 9/13/07, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finishing the thought, IBM's OMEGAMON comes to mind as well. There's more than one decent performance monitor Out There, so shop and compare. But since that will present incorrect CPU breakdown per Linux process, it may lead to wrong

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-13 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 09/13/2007 at 04:07 EDT, Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/07, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finishing the thought, IBM's OMEGAMON comes to mind as well. There's more than one decent performance monitor Out There, so shop and compare. But since that

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-13 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 9:38 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kate Riggsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Mark, the lpar is running z/VM 5.2 at 0601. The linux guests are running SLES9 SP3 (64bit). The system is using Performance Toolkit. cat /proc/meminfo shows: MemTotal: 2050128

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-13 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 9:45 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- SLES 10 and RHEL 5 correct for the virtualization effects and OMEGAMON gives the normalized numbers. Unfortunately in this case, SLES9 is being used, so the incorrect performance data

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-12 Thread Mark Post
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 1:20 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kate Riggsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- The linux userid running the application was using about 3-4% of the cpu. The day we added our instance to the (external) load balancer its base cpu consumption went to 18% of the

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-11 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 9/10/07, Kate Riggsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that the load-balancer polls are an xchange of Hello/Server Hello packets on port 443 (not a full-blown SSL handshake) every 2 seconds. Although you say there's enough real memory, it may be the system is not configure

linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-10 Thread Kate Riggsby
Greetings, As part of our linux proof-of-concept project we built a new instance of the servers which provide our big student services application. The application runs on Oracle Web Application Server. The zlinux instance is running pretty much alone on a z/800 ifl and has oodles of real memory.

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-10 Thread Marcy Cortes
for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kate Riggsby Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:21 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] linux performance behind load balancer Greetings, As part of our linux proof

Re: linux performance behind load balancer

2007-09-10 Thread John Summerfield
Marcy Cortes wrote: I don't know how helpful this is But we do run F5 loadbalancers in front of our biggest app. There are 2 servers hitting us every 5 seconds each for HTTP and for 2 for HTTPS. So, a total 4 hits every 5 seconds. But it runs across 17 z9 EC IFL's and there's never an