On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 04:28:01PM -0600, Steve G. wrote:
I thought I got the joke, but was not sure if it was Monty Python, so thanks
for clarifying.
Now a technical question - wouldn't we still be able to run Linux as a
virtual machine under windows?
Maybe. But this is a very grave
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:18:43PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Well, from what I understood, it's just that Stallman in his visit to
the Palestinian Authority, complied to the demands of his Palestinian
sponsors,
and wouldn't lecture at
On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
IANAL and thus IDCALI.
Sorry, I don't understand the acronym, nor could I find an explanation
that fit.
Stallman did this as a private person.
NO, he did not. Here's an example of his signature from his emails,
taken from a
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011, Amit Aronovitch wrote about Re: FSF Campaign against
Microsoft's Plan to Enforce Secure Boot:
People care. Corporations seek profit for investors. Some people would argue
that this is more a virtue than a flaw.
Yes, all corporations seek profit, but like the Perl moto
On Tuesday 25 October 2011 10:07:30 Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:18:43PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Well, from what I understood, it's just that Stallman in his visit
to the Palestinian Authority, complied to the
On Oct 25, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
another company can decide that it can't be bothered with this
small market (this is the way Apple went for many years, and many of
its
services still are unavailable in Israel),
That's simply untrue. Apple for whatever reason it chose,
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:36:44AM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
IANAL and thus IDCALI.
Sorry, I don't understand the acronym, nor could I find an explanation
that fit.
Stallman did this as a private person.
NO, he did not. Here's
Setting aside the amusing political debates and going back to the original
topic - what's the actual status of the UEFI boot issue?
(Following up on the link from Tzafrir's
post:http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/6503.html,
see my comments below )
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Amos Shapira
On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
Setting aside the amusing political debates and going back to the
original topic - what's the actual status of the UEFI boot issue?
1. Microsoft never said they would do what the FSF claims they would.
2. Microsoft has said, but not in
Hi Amit,
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 05:37:29PM +0200, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.comwrote:
I didn't follow the detail but a few weeks ago this made a noise on
Slashdot and as far as I'm aware Microsoft issued a statement which
On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Baruch Siach wrote:
Hi Amit,
The MS response on this issue is at
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/22/protecting-the-pre-os-environment-with-uefi.aspx
.
Matthew then responded to this at http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/6503.html
.
For those that don't
2011/10/25 Amit Aronovitch aronovi...@gmail.com:
I didn't follow the detail but a few weeks ago this made a noise on
Slashdot and as far as I'm aware Microsoft issued a statement which
calmed down the activists and it became a none-issue. I didn't follow
it closely so I might be wrong.
Can
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 05:37:29PM +0200, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
Setting aside the amusing political debates and going back to the original
topic - what's the actual status of the UEFI boot issue?
(Following up on the link from Tzafrir's
post:http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/6503.html,
see my
On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
This does not really mean much to me. As far as I can decipher the
really problematic piece is the bootloader (e.g., grub for our
purposes).
The points not covered here is that secure boot IN PART has been
around for a long time. Later
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 06:00:41PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Baruch Siach wrote:
Hi Amit,
The MS response on this issue is at
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/22/protecting-the-pre-os-environment-with-uefi.aspx
.
Matthew then responded
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, geoffrey mendelson
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
Setting aside the amusing political debates and going back to the original
topic - what's the actual status of the UEFI boot issue?
1. Microsoft
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011, geoffrey mendelson wrote about Re: FSF Campaign against
Microsoft's Plan to Enforce Secure Boot:
small market (this is the way Apple went for many years, and many
of its
services still are unavailable in Israel),
That's simply untrue. Apple for whatever reason it chose
On Oct 24, 2011, at 1:56 AM, Amos Shapira wrote:
I wrote:
The FSF is struggling to regain some semblance of public support
after RMS's
disastrous FSF boycott of Israel and his comments about Steve Jobs.
Do the
world a favor and let the FSF die with dignity, instead of being
remembered
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011, geoffrey mendelson wrote about Re: FSF Campaign against
Microsoft's Plan to Enforce Secure Boot:
Amos wrote:
Were there echoes of this argument outside Israel?
Yes, the hi-tech field is both heavily invested in Israel and
populated by Jews. It spread like wildfire even
On Oct 24, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
I obviously don't agree with any of these statements, but it's sad
that
apparently this is what people think (or at least, search in
Google...).
Anyway, most of the results of my intended query appear to be
Israeli or
Jewish sources. It
On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:03 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On Oct 24, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
I obviously don't agree with any of these statements, but it's sad
that
apparently this is what people think (or at least, search in
Google...).
Anyway, most of the results of my
Either way, I am not going to participate in anything that lends credence to
FSF. Quite frankly, at least MS are not openly anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic,
or anti 'the bad Jews/Israeli'.
Let someone more credible start a petition, and I will surely sign.
F-FSF.
Z.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:13 AM,
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011, Steve G. wrote about Re: FSF Campaign against
Microsoft's Plan to Enforce Secure Boot:
at least MS are not openly anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic,
or anti 'the bad Jews/Israeli'.
Indeed. I still remember very vividly a meeting held 11 years ago in the
ISOC-IL offices, about
Shlomi,
1. Thank you for the education
2. I am not trying to negate the validity of their argument (or for that
matter to support it). I am saying that I will have nothing to do with them,
their drives, their server, and any of their software that is not already
provisioned by my distro, unless
Hi Steve,
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:24:54 -0600
Steve G. word...@gmail.com wrote:
Either way, I am not going to participate in anything that lends credence to
FSF. Quite frankly, at least MS are not openly anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic,
or anti 'the bad Jews/Israeli'.
Well, from what I
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:37:39AM -0600, Steve G. wrote:
Shlomi,
1. Thank you for the education
2. I am not trying to negate the validity of their argument (or for that
matter to support it). I am saying that I will have nothing to do with them,
their drives, their server, and any of
On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Well, from what I understood, it's just that Stallman in his visit to
the Palestinian Authority, complied to the demands of his
Palestinian sponsors,
and wouldn't lecture at a place that didn't support the boycott of
the Israeli
academia.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about Re: FSF Campaign against
Microsoft's Plan to Enforce Secure Boot:
There are plenty of other organizations to support.
People's Front of Judea is one.
No way, I hate them! I support the Judean People's Front!
(If someone doesn't understand
freezes my computer, or at least my Xserver on
every machine I tested...)
Let the flames begin.
Z.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about Re: FSF Campaign against
Microsoft's Plan to Enforce Secure Boot
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011, Steve G. wrote about Re: FSF Campaign against
Microsoft's Plan to Enforce Secure Boot:
at least MS are not openly anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic,
or anti 'the bad Jews/Israeli'.
Indeed. I still
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:51 PM, geoffrey mendelson
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 24, 2011, at 1:56 AM, Amos Shapira wrote:
I wrote:
The FSF is struggling to regain some semblance of public support after
RMS's
disastrous FSF boycott of Israel and his comments about Steve
On Oct 25, 2011, at 2:45 AM, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
Sorry for not following up on the legal issues (getting too tired
right now), but I thought that Israel was the country that tried to
legislate a non-boycott law :-)
If US law forbade boycotts, how comes Pepsi or McDonnald's were not
Hi all,
The Free Software Foundation started a campaign called “Stand up for your
freedom to install free software!” about Microsoft's plan to enforce “Secure
Boot” in the installations of Windows 8, which will prevent people from being
able to boot into GNU/Linux, one of the BSD variants, or
On Oct 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
The Free Software Foundation started a campaign called “Stand up for
your
freedom to install free software!” about Microsoft's plan to enforce
“Secure Boot” in the installations of Windows 8, which will prevent
people from being able to
Unfortunately this is not FUD at all, it was reported by a Red-Hat employee
and was not denied by Microsoft.
See:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/21/secure_boot_firmware_linux_exclusion_fears/
--
Ori Idan
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 1:06 PM, geoffrey mendelson
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 01:11:01PM +0200, Ori Idan wrote:
Unfortunately this is not FUD at all, it was reported by a Red-Hat employee
and was not denied by Microsoft.
See:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/21/secure_boot_firmware_linux_exclusion_fears/
The said RedHat employee is Matthew
On 23 October 2011 22:06, geoffrey mendelson
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
The Free Software Foundation started a campaign called “Stand up for your
freedom to install free software!” about Microsoft's plan to enforce
“Secure Boot” in the
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