Not so fast...
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:18:13 -0800, Aviram Jenik avi...@jenik.com wrote:
Tal Kaplan, from pczlaw, was kind enough to give me a detailed
explanation(*)
about this matter.
First, to answer both Dotan and Boaz, it should be a relatively simple
process
to get 1,000 NIS for
Omer Zak wrote:
From the contents of a relatively unfiltered mailbox (which fortunately
is not widely advertised and I check it only once each few weeks),
Leiberman indeed uses very much the political exemption.
I got in that mailbox a lot of spam from:
* Israel Beitanu (Leiberman's party) -
b...@rymland.com wrote:
You may want to start with this:
http://www.moital.gov.il/NR/exeres/1A0A7AB5-68D4-4739-801D-44390FEE7A39.htm
That's exactly the reason why I haven't done it myself as well. The
necessity to appear in court
which means taking a day off or something.
A few
b...@rymland.com wrote:
That's exactly the reason why I haven't done it myself as well. The
necessity to appear in court
which means taking a day off or something.
You can add that cost to the claim.
A few complimentary questions:
1) Have anyone heard of successful small claims suits so
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Well, I find that hard to believe. You will eventually have to prove
that you received the SPAM from them. and that you did not alter it in
any way.
The law is very specific that having your name appearing on the spam as
the one being advertised is sufficient
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:24:34AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
The law is very specific that having your name appearing on the spam as
the one being advertised is sufficient evidence that you are the
presumed spammer. I imagine that, should the spammer want to claim they
are not, the burden
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:24:34AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
The law is very specific that having your name appearing on the spam
as the one being advertised is sufficient evidence that you are the
presumed spammer. I imagine that, should the spammer want to
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: OFFTOPIC: Re: Hebrew
spam: what to do about it?:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Well, I find that hard to believe. You will eventually have to prove
that you received the SPAM from them. and that you did not alter it in
any way
Nadav Har'El wrote:
What do you do in such a case?
Sue.
The law specifically says that the person in charge of marketing must
make a personal effort to make sure that the company is spam free, or
face PERSONAL consequences.
In any case, like I said before, it's up to the spammer to prove
On Sunday 08 February 2009 23:42:54 b...@rymland.com wrote:
The only down side is that in small claims you have to file and appear
yourself, without a lawyer. This is basically the reason I haven't done
it
yet.
That's exactly the reason why I haven't done it myself as well. The
According to a couple of recent Hebrew spams that I got, there's a loophole
allowing ONE spam message per spammer per email address. They say that the
law allows sending one message if it is an offer for registration to a
publicity list (they can't send you more if you do not respond), so
Amit Aronovitch wrote:
According to a couple of recent Hebrew spams that I got, there's a
loophole allowing ONE spam message per spammer per email address. They
say that the law allows sending one message if it is an offer for
registration to a publicity list (they can't send you more if you
Quoting Aviram Jenik, from the post of Mon, 09 Feb:
On Sunday 08 February 2009 23:42:54 b...@rymland.com wrote:
The only down side is that in small claims you have to file and appear
yourself, without a lawyer. This is basically the reason I haven't done
Agreed. The only reason I wrote
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 09:25:51AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Slightly off-topic: I got annoyed by political spam that was sent to my
work address (at least 4 messages, with a considerable size) Result:
blacklisted mailing list messages from their provider (and notified them
as well).
Cohen
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:26 AM
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
Shachar seems to suggest that this might be used for a small claims
court case in which the spammer may be sued for up to 1000 NIS per
email.
I'll donate the 1000 NIS right back
It needs to be commercial to be illegal.
Really? If I have a website that I don't make money off of, like
gibberish.co.il then can I send spam? I'll do it too, not in order to
promote the site but in order to get the law changed.
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 07:11:59AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Shachar seems to suggest that this might be used for a small claims
court case in which the spammer may be sued for up to 1000 NIS per
email.
Does this only cover email from Israel, or can it be SPAM
Quoting Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com:
It needs to be commercial to be illegal.
Really? If I have a website that I don't make money off of, like
gibberish.co.il then can I send spam? I'll do it too, not in order to
promote the site but in order to get the law changed.
There is no
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:25:53AM +0200, ronys wrote:
Indeed it's legal. When the anti-spam law was passed, a special
exemption was put in to allow politicians to send spam.
Not only politicians.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you:
We all know that ISOC is an NPO, and as such in a good
The way the current law defines spam is as a message that induces you to
spend money. So spam calling for donations is also illegal. Promoting
causes, such as asking for signatures for Gilad Shalit, or banning silicon
from dairy products, is legal.
So a spam campaign abnout getting the spam
From the contents of a relatively unfiltered mailbox (which fortunately
is not widely advertised and I check it only once each few weeks),
Leiberman indeed uses very much the political exemption.
I got in that mailbox a lot of spam from:
* Israel Beitanu (Leiberman's party) - sends tons of spam.
Similarly, due to time constraints I'm not currently performing any
active steps with the several spam emails that I have received lately,
all from some coaching/spiritual spammer.
If there's a lawyer or someone with enough spare time on his hands in
the crowd who wishes to raise the glove
Tal Kaplan, from pczlaw, was kind enough to give me a detailed explanation(*)
about this matter.
First, to answer both Dotan and Boaz, it should be a relatively simple process
to get 1,000 NIS for every incoming hebrew spam. Think about it as a gift
from a stranger. The process is documented
I have started getting Hebrew spam again, even now that the new
anti-spam law is in place. Sure, I _could_ just filter it, but I would
prefer to make life miserable for the spammers, even at my own
expense. What legal tools do I have?
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 10:35:19PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have started getting Hebrew spam again, even now that the new
anti-spam law is in place. Sure, I _could_ just filter it, but I would
prefer to make life miserable for the spammers, even at my own
expense. What legal tools do I
2009/2/7 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com:
I have a booklet from emun hatzibur with the law. They also have an example
how to file a law suit against spammers (see the last pages) of the
attachment. Sorry for the hebrew mismatch in the name of the file.
Thank you Sara, I will read that
Dotan Cohen wrote:
I have started getting Hebrew spam again, even now that the new
anti-spam law is in place. Sure, I _could_ just filter it, but I would
prefer to make life miserable for the spammers, even at my own
expense. What legal tools do I have?
Anyone who got spam from Rinat Zoref
On 08/02/2009, at 08:23, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Anyone who got spam from Rinat Zoref and kept it is welcome to
email me in private.
Also, anyone who got spam from divur.lasakim, likewise.
And, whatever you do, KEEP THOSE EMAILS. I keep all of the Hebrew
(and Israeli) spam I get.
Why keep
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 08:57:06AM +0200, sammy ominsky wrote:
On 08/02/2009, at 08:23, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Anyone who got spam from Rinat Zoref and kept it is welcome to email
me in private.
Also, anyone who got spam from divur.lasakim, likewise.
And, whatever you do, KEEP THOSE EMAILS.
Shachar seems to suggest that this might be used for a small claims
court case in which the spammer may be sued for up to 1000 NIS per
email.
I'll donate the 1000 NIS right back into anti-spam efforts or to KDE
or something.
Slightly off-topic: I got annoyed by political spam that was sent
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 07:11:59AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Shachar seems to suggest that this might be used for a small claims
court case in which the spammer may be sued for up to 1000 NIS per
email.
Does this only cover email from Israel, or can it be SPAM from Israeli
companies sent
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