Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

Siarhei Siamashka sorry for the direct email instead of into list I hit enter at the wrong time. Before I had all selected. On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Siarhei Siamashka wrote: > On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 19:56:53 -0800 (PST) > oia...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I think we need to bring this back to simp

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

fre 2015-03-06 klockan 19:44 + skrev Manuel Braga: > The video engine is the least priority item in the wish list, but is > dependent of all the others. I understand that, and also don't see a > point of wasting time in a 100% open source driver and software for it, > if the only way to use it

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

Hi, On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 20:41:36 +0100 Michal Suchanek wrote: > Hello, > > On 5 March 2015 at 18:35, Henrik Nordström > wrote: > > ons 2015-03-04 klockan 17:41 + skrev Manuel Braga: > > > >> What we get? Just indifference that the reverse engineering effort > >> even exists. > > > > Sorry yo

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

cedarx2.0 is a refactoring of cedarx1.0. The job is finished about just three month ago and not used by most vendors yet. Some work is still needed to port cedarx2.0 to linux. The directory of cedarx2.0 in Android SDK is frameworks/av/media/liballwinner. The directory of cedarx1.0 in Android SDK is

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 19:56:53 -0800 (PST) oia...@gmail.com wrote: > I think we need to bring this back to simple. Thanks for sharing your opinion. But first of all, please start playing by the rules yourself. This is a technical mailing used by free software developers. And the subscribers are expe

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

Just look at today's news... Statement in support of Software Freedom Conservancy and Christoph Hellwig, GPL enforcement lawsuit On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Christoph Hellwig, with support from the Software Freedom Conservancy , filed suit in Hamburg, Germany

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:42:22 AM UTC+10, Michal Suchanek wrote: > Sure, allwinner is required, legally, to release some sources. And it > might have signed some NDAs to not release them so it may as much > legally be obliged to not release the same sources. It might in fact > have put itself

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

Hello, On 5 March 2015 at 18:35, Henrik Nordström wrote: > ons 2015-03-04 klockan 17:41 + skrev Manuel Braga: > >> What we get? Just indifference that the reverse engineering effort even >> exists. > > Sorry you get this impression. > > I know I have been silent, but that's mostly because vid

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

ons 2015-03-04 klockan 17:41 + skrev Manuel Braga: > What we get? Just indifference that the reverse engineering effort even > exists. Sorry you get this impression. I know I have been silent, but that's mostly because video is not something I am interested in, and especially not Allwinners

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

I think we need to bring this back to simple. 1) as FOSS not out to harm allwinnertech all FOSS want is conformance with license. Reality here the two worst laws to break as a hardware vendor is copyright and trademark. Serous-ally. Both you can enforce by customs both can cause product d

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 02:13:48AM +0200, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 02:31:41PM +0200, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > > Simos, > > > > I am corrosive and bitter, but perhaps i am not the toxic one here. > > > > Luc, > > H

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 10:45:48 +1100 Julian Calaby wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:10 AM, wrote: > > My two cents: > > Stop asking for fixing and start doing the legal stuff (sue for example) > > They have 4 years to fix, they do nothing. > > they release non functional patches, and they not rel

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 02:31:41PM +0200, Simos Xenitellis wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:55:15AM +0100, Luc Verhaegen wrote: >> ... >> > >> > So now there is a LICENSE file stat

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:10 AM, wrote: > My two cents: > Stop asking for fixing and start doing the legal stuff (sue for example) > They have 4 years to fix, they do nothing. > they release non functional patches, and they not release the code correctly. > They reply to simpleness and notes in a

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

My two cents: Stop asking for fixing and start doing the legal stuff (sue for example) They have 4 years to fix, they do nothing. they release non functional patches, and they not release the code correctly. They reply to simpleness and notes in a attempt to avoid or deviate the issue. You have 2

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

Hi, On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 09:46:07 -0300 Rodrigo Pereira wrote: > > This is because reverse engeneering is a PITA, I suppose. > > http://linux-sunxi.org/CedarX/Reverse_Engineering > I disagree. Reverse engineering is an enjoyable and fun thing to do. And as can be see in the above url, it only t

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On March 4, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: >On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:55:57PM +0100, Irgendeiner wrote: >> Am 04.03.2015, 12:57 Uhr, schrieb Luc Verhaegen : >> >>> So now there is a LICENSE file stating that the code in >>> https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec is LGPL? >>> >>> So

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:55:57PM +0100, Irgendeiner wrote: > Am 04.03.2015, 12:57 Uhr, schrieb Luc Verhaegen : > >> So now there is a LICENSE file stating that the code in >> https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec is LGPL? >> >> So Allwinner believes that by sticking the LGPL on a _binary_ s

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

Am 04.03.2015, 12:57 Uhr, schrieb Luc Verhaegen : On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:55:15AM +0100, Luc Verhaegen wrote: This was just posted on the allwinner github account: https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec This contains: https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec/blob/master/sunxi-ceda

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

2015-03-04 11:19 GMT-03:00 : > > @Roberto > asuming allwinner has did copy the hardware (speaking about A80 sun9i) and > the reason of violating GPL's and not publishing sources is might be > possible to get sued by original silicon vendor ... but the question is > which silicon vendor uses big.Li

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

miercuri, 4 martie 2015, 15:44:44 UTC+2, Roberto Alcântara a scris: > > > I'll try to summarize the thread and restart it. Simos > > > > please don't > > +1 > > > I hope to see code from Allwinner to make things better for users.  I don't > fully agree with Luc's words but he has credit that

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

> > I'll try to summarize the thread and restart it. Simos > please don't +1 I hope to see code from Allwinner to make things better for users. I don't fully agree with Luc's words but he has credit that Allwinner doesn't: real code to be used today helping a lot of people. Thank you for all guy

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

>On Wed, 4/3/15, Simon Kenyon wrote: > On 03/04/15 12:51, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > > I'll try to summarize the thread and restart it. Simos > please don't +1 I see Luc as basically in the right. I wouldn't support every little detail or his manner of expressing himself in every case but o

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On 03/04/15 12:51, Simos Xenitellis wrote: I'll try to summarize the thread and restart it. Simos please don't -- simon Simon Kenyon e: simoncken...@gmail.com m: +353 86 240 0005 l: http://ie.linkedin.com/pub/simon-kenyon/0/6b2/744/ s: simonckenyon t: @simonckenyon g: google.com/+SimonKenyon

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 02:31:41PM +0200, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:55:15AM +0100, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > ... > > > > So now there is a LICENSE file stating that the code in > > https://github.com/allwinner-zh/medi

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Rodrigo Pereira wrote: > > > 2015-03-04 9:31 GMT-03:00 Simos Xenitellis : >> >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:55:15AM +0100, Luc Verhaegen wrote: >> ... >> > >> > So now there is a LICENSE file stating that the

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

2015-03-04 9:31 GMT-03:00 Simos Xenitellis : > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:55:15AM +0100, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > ... > > > > So now there is a LICENSE file stating that the code in > > https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec is LGPL? > >

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:55:15AM +0100, Luc Verhaegen wrote: ... > > So now there is a LICENSE file stating that the code in > https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec is LGPL? > > So Allwinner believes that by sticking the LGPL on a _bin

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:55:15AM +0100, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > This was just posted on the allwinner github account: > > https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec > > This contains: > > https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec/blob/master/sunxi-cedarx/LIBRARY/CODEC/VIDEO/DECODER/libvdecod

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On 26 February 2015 at 13:53, wrote: > >> From many years of industrial experience I do know that most probably >> those companies do not intentionally violate GPL. They are just busily >> struggling to survive in these extremely fast moving markets and do not >> have time and resources to care

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

> From many years of industrial experience I do know that most probably > those companies do not intentionally violate GPL. They are just busily > struggling to survive in these extremely fast moving markets and do not > have time and resources to care for this kind of 'details'. This does

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:15:38 AM UTC-8, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > > > Allwinner, it is very high time to start playing nice. You've been at it > > for 4 years now and seem utterly incapable of or unwilling to change. > > I thi

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On 02/26/15 08:54, Irgendeiner wrote: From many years of industrial experience I do know that most probably those companies do not intentionally violate GPL. They are just busily struggling to survive in these extremely fast moving markets and do not have time and resources to care for this kin

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

You have a point there, besides the language barrier of course. On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:54:51 PM UTC+8, Irgendeiner wrote: > > Am 25.02.2015, 13:15 Uhr, schrieb Simos Xenitellis > >: > > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Luc Verhaegen > wrote: > >> > >> Allwinner, it is very hi

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

Am 25.02.2015, 13:15 Uhr, schrieb Simos Xenitellis : On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: Allwinner, it is very high time to start playing nice. You've been at it for 4 years now and seem utterly incapable of or unwilling to change. I think it's time for Luc to start play

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 14:15 +0200, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Luc Verhaegen > wrote: > > > > Allwinner, it is very high time to start playing nice. You've been > > at it for 4 years now and seem utterly incapable of or unwilling > > to change. > > I think it's

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:15:38 UTC+11, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > > > Allwinner, it is very high time to start playing nice. You've been at it > > for 4 years now and seem utterly incapable of or unwilling to change. > > I think i

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

Hi, On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: >> >> Allwinner, it is very high time to start playing nice. You've been at it >> for 4 years now and seem utterly incapable of or unwilling to change. > > I think it's time for L

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On 02/25/15 12:15, Simos Xenitellis wrote: We see constructive efforts from Allwinner to fix issues and it makes sense for the community to be constructive as well. i see *words* saying that they would fix issues. i see no *actions*. and that has been true for a very, very, very long time. --

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

I wanna say big THANKS to Allwinner for this step, please continue to work in this direction. I look forward to see more source code from you guys. One small comment is it will be great if you guys can also use git internally, so we can see the changes along the way. Clement > On Feb 25, 2015,

Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > Allwinner, it is very high time to start playing nice. You've been at it > for 4 years now and seem utterly incapable of or unwilling to change. I think it's time for Luc to start playing nice. His toxic behavior does not help. Trying to b

[linux-sunxi] Allwinner GPL violations: definitive proof.

This was just posted on the allwinner github account: https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec This contains: https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec/blob/master/sunxi-cedarx/LIBRARY/CODEC/VIDEO/DECODER/libvdecoder.so This binary contains symbols from both ffmpeg (LGPL, but altered/hacke