Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Chris Bayley
Lance Blackler wrote: Talking of fixits and stuff - I'd like an opinion on the following. I have been given a 486 (DX475) Digital HiNote laptop - no CDROM 20mb of RAM 1.3gb hard drive. I would like to load Linux of some flavour on it so that I can use it for word processing (Abiword) and checking

Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Chris Bayley
Lance Blackler wrote: Talking of fixits and stuff - I'd like an opinion on the following. I have been given a 486 (DX475) Digital HiNote laptop - no CDROM 20mb of RAM 1.3gb hard drive. I would like to load Linux of some flavour on it so that I can use it for word processing (Abiword) and checking

Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:25, you wrote: > Talking of fixits and stuff - I'd like an opinion on the following. > > I have been given a 486 (DX475) Digital HiNote laptop - no CDROM 20mb of > RAM 1.3gb hard drive. If you can get it a bit more memory that would be very good. > I would like to load Linux

RE: Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Lance Blackler
Talking of fixits and stuff - I'd like an opinion on the following. I have been given a 486 (DX475) Digital HiNote laptop - no CDROM 20mb of RAM 1.3gb hard drive. I would like to load Linux of some flavour on it so that I can use it for word processing (Abiword) and checking webmail etc, while c

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> The find slows things down a bit. The dd makes the entire desktop feel > like it is doing 1 fps. Ok, summary: disk is using DMA, box is not swapping, Athlon XP (i.e. fast) CPU, 20GB Seagate disk (prob 5400 rpm, 512k cache), VIA VT8233 chipset. RH 9. On heavy disk activity, simultaneous reading

Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Carl Cerecke
Nick Rout wrote: This is where we started the conversation. One of my points in initiating this discussion was that not many people were attending/supporting the workshop sessions. And that includes both "patients" and "doctors". Fixing of problems is the main use of this mailing-list. Although fix

Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Nick Rout
This is where we started the conversation. One of my points in initiating this discussion was that not many people were attending/supporting the workshop sessions. And that includes both "patients" and "doctors". So it looks as if there are still some problems out there that people want fixed/sort

Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Jamie Dobbs
Now this is an idea I _really_ like, makes me even more desperate to move my wife and I down to Christchurch!!! (now if only we could find work to enable this to happen). > This is a FixItFest or a ProblemFest, which would be a good side-track > to an InstallFest. Victims bring along their gear (j

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Carl Cerecke
Matthew Gregan wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 02:02:34PM +1300, Carl Cerecke wrote: The 2.4.20 that came with RH 9 If you don't mind building a new kernel and want to avoid the pain of upgrading to 2.6, try upgrading to 2.4.24 and using your current .config. There has been quite a bit of work o

Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Douglas Royds
This is a FixItFest or a ProblemFest, which would be a good side-track to an InstallFest. Victims bring along their gear (just like at an installfest), but with something they want to achieve, e.g. Install Linux on this Windows machine; Set up a mail server for my home network; Set up a photo a

Re: Kinda interesting interview with Lindows COO

2004-01-22 Thread Mike Beattie
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 02:40:07PM +1300, Paul Swafford wrote: [snip] Please don't do the whole 'hit reply, change subject' thing to start a new thread. For those of us with threaded mail readers, it appears smack in the middle of another thread. In other places, this is called thread hi-jacking

Kinda interesting interview with Lindows COO

2004-01-22 Thread Paul Swafford
Hi all .. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5758 included is a coupon to get LindowsOS 4.5 for nothing :) I particularly like the "our competition is Microsoft, Microsoft and Microsoft..." phrase. anyways have a read. Cheers Paul Swafford (Manager, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arts Centre) (Level

Re: Size of initrd

2004-01-22 Thread G. M. Bodnar
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 02:19:13PM NZDT, Andrew Errington wrote: > Hello, > > I have built an MP3 player box at home. Well, I built one ages ago but the > hard drive expired, so I made it network boot instead. > [snip] > > I had it all going without Lirc in less than 4Mb, but adding Lirc invol

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 14:18, Carl Cerecke wrote: > hdc is a hard drive > hda is a CD-ROM > > My boss had a look and said "Why did you set your machine set up like > that?" I replied "Why did *you* set up my machine like that?". You could try swapping them around and seeing if that helps. Maybe i

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 02:02:34PM +1300, Carl Cerecke wrote: > The 2.4.20 that came with RH 9 If you don't mind building a new kernel and want to avoid the pain of upgrading to 2.6, try upgrading to 2.4.24 and using your current .config. There has been quite a bit of work on the IDE drivers, and

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Carl Cerecke
Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 14:02, Carl Cerecke wrote: Does your machine feel sluggish if you run something like 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/somewhere/on/hdc/testfile bs=32k count=10k'[0]? How about when running 'find / > /dev/null'? Bingo. It feels like video conferencing on

Size of initrd

2004-01-22 Thread Andrew Errington
Hello, I have built an MP3 player box at home. Well, I built one ages ago but the hard drive expired, so I made it network boot instead. Is there a limit to the size of the initial ramdisk? I have compiled my kernel with support for initrd, and the default size is 4096kb, so I left it at that

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 14:02, Carl Cerecke wrote: > > Does your machine feel sluggish if you run something like 'dd > > if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/somewhere/on/hdc/testfile bs=32k count=10k'[0]? > > How about when running 'find / > /dev/null'? > > Bingo. It feels like video conferencing on dial-up. S

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Carl Cerecke
Matthew Gregan wrote: Next step; what kernel are you running? It's worth checking the changelogs between the kernel you're running and whatever is current (assuming you're not running the latest and greatest) to see if there have been any improvements in the VIA IDE drivers. The 2.4.20 that came

Re: Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Nick Rout
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:36:22 +1300 Matthew Gregan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, if the users don't ask for it, they won't provide it... > > Having said that, I was doubtful of your claim that IMAP is not > generally available from NZ ISPs. I ran a very quick and shallow survey > found that

Re: Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 12:50:15PM +1300, Nick Rout wrote: > email on machine a and half on machine b. imap solves this. isp's in > general do not do imap. ergo do it yourself. Well, if the users don't ask for it, they won't provide it... Having said that, I was doubtful of your claim that IMAP i

Re: Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Paul William
control ;) On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 11:24, Robert Fisher wrote: > Apologies to those who consider this a dumb question... > > I can think of two reasons why one would set up an email server at home. > > 1/ Mail is readily "served" to workstations from an always on server > 2/ Mail can be access

Re: Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Nick Rout
well 1. you may have many client machines (even two is enough to be a pain), so you don't want pop mail, because u end up with half your email on machine a and half on machine b. imap solves this. isp's in general do not do imap. ergo do it yourself. 2. if you have dialup you can regularly dialu

Re: Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Nick Rout
some isp's let you have a number of pop boxes on their server. so then set up your mail server with fetchmail with a number of entries like this: poll pop.isp.co.nz proto pop3 user mayes1 with pass whatever is kerry here this retrieves mail in mayes1's pop box at isp.co.nz and spools it to user

Re: Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Andy George
Speed(your client isnt tied up with trying to download 86 emails when you get home if they're collected every 30 minutes), avaliability(the ISP pop server can crash all it likes, your email server can store and send them later), backups(the "Opps I didnt really mean to send that" factor...), simpli

RE: Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
We have all got separate email addresses. There are heaps of free email providors if your isp does not have enough. Regards, Robert What Do Fish Say When They Hit a Concrete Wall? Dam! -Original Message- From: Kerry Mayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 23 January 2004 12:0

Re: Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Jaco Swart
My wife and I tend to send email to each other when we need to pass information on, or get one another to proofread some text, or whatever. I never got round to get internal mail going, so we have to log on and use our normal adresses. The irony is that she goes online through my box when we ne

RE: Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Kerry Mayes
This is more likely to be a dumb question! What other methods are there to get individual mail for each member of the family (of five)? (And what are the advantages / disadvantages of each method) Kerry Mayes -Original Message- From: Robert Fisher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 10:58, Carl Cerecke wrote: > Michael JasonSmith wrote: > > > > I have heard a lot of good things about machines having better > > interactive performance under 2.6, so it is probably worth a shot as it > > would be cheaper than the other options. > > It would? I think it has

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Carl Cerecke
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:19, Carl Cerecke wrote: Hi, updatedb is set to run about an hour after I boot up in the morning. Once it is started, my machine is almost unusable for 10 minutes. Couple of ideas. Change the nice of the updatedb process. It's already niced to th

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:47:26AM +1300, Carl Cerecke wrote: > # hdparm -d -u /dev/hdc [ snipped output] Looks fine. > I think the * next to udma5 in the output of hdparm -i also indicates > that it is using udma mode 5, no? (That's why I didn't run the command That's right. But the transfer m

Email server for Home Network - why?

2004-01-22 Thread Robert Fisher
Apologies to those who consider this a dumb question... I can think of two reasons why one would set up an email server at home. 1/ Mail is readily "served" to workstations from an always on server 2/ Mail can be accessed elsewhere without using "webmail" Neither of these reasons are compell

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:19, Carl Cerecke wrote: > Hi, > > updatedb is set to run about an hour after I boot up in the morning. > Once it is started, my machine is almost unusable for 10 minutes. Couple of ideas. Change the nice of the updatedb process. Change the time update is to run to be after y

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Carl Cerecke
Jamie Dobbs wrote: If it is an option, why not leave the machine running once you leave for the day and get a cron job to kick off the updatedb in the early hours of the morning? This has always been my preferred method. It's my preferred method too. But we switch our desk machines off when we le

Re: Mandrake 10 Beta1 Now on the mirrors

2004-01-22 Thread Jason Greenwood
Dunno, download, try, test, report faults - that's what BETA is for. If you don't test/report, then you can't complain! Cheers Jason Jamie Dobbs wrote: In case anyone is interested, it hit the mirrors last night and is a 3cd set - 3 ISO's available for download. Mirrors are syncing up now. Che

Re: Mandrake 10 Beta1 Now on the mirrors

2004-01-22 Thread Jamie Dobbs
> In case anyone is interested, it hit the mirrors last night and is a 3cd > set - 3 ISO's available for download. Mirrors are syncing up now. > > Cheers > > Jason > I wonder if this version will finally fix the crappy sound quality I've had with 9.2? Mind you I'm tending towards Gentoo these days

Re: Mandrake 10 Beta1 Now on the mirrors

2004-01-22 Thread Jamie Dobbs
> In case anyone is interested, it hit the mirrors last night and is a 3cd > set - 3 ISO's available for download. Mirrors are syncing up now. > > Cheers > > Jason > I wonder if this version will finally fix a few of the crappy sound quality I've had with 9.2? Mind you I'm tending towards Gentoo t

RE: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I still regard myself as a "Newbie" but I was pleasantly surprised at how smoothly my upgrade to 2.6 kernel went. It auto detected my hardware very well and as per my previous posts on the speed issue, it is substantially faster for me. Next speed upgrade, according to feedback, is upgrading KDE t

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Jamie Dobbs
> Hi, > > updatedb is set to run about an hour after I boot up in the morning. > Once it is started, my machine is almost unusable for 10 minutes. Moving > windows around the screen is unbearable: sometimes when I move a window > I can see X redrawing the screen line by line. If it was any slower I

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Carl Cerecke
Michael JasonSmith wrote: I have heard a lot of good things about machines having better interactive performance under 2.6, so it is probably worth a shot as it would be cheaper than the other options. It would? I think it has the potential to be more expensive - futzing around with settings and w

Mandrake 10 Beta1 Now on the mirrors

2004-01-22 Thread Jason Greenwood
In case anyone is interested, it hit the mirrors last night and is a 3cd set - 3 ISO's available for download. Mirrors are syncing up now. Cheers Jason

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Carl Cerecke
Matthew Gregan wrote: What does 'hdparm -d -u /dev/hdc' return? # hdparm -d -u /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: unmaskirq= 1 (on) using_dma= 1 (on) Looks OK. I think the * next to udma5 in the output of hdparm -i also indicates that it is using udma mode 5, no? (That's why I didn't run the command

RE: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Kerry Mayes
(encouraged by these postings, I'll add my 5cents worth - since 2cents isn't legal tender anymore). -Original Message- From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 06:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Purpose of the CLUG (encouraged by Douglas's firs

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 10:19, Carl Cerecke wrote: > updatedb is set to run about an hour after I boot up in the morning. > Once it is started, my machine is almost unusable for 10 minutes. [snip] > Question is, to fix this do I need (my boss to) replace: > > hard drive > motherboard > kernel (with

Re: updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:19:38AM +1300, Carl Cerecke wrote: > updatedb is set to run about an hour after I boot up in the morning. > Once it is started, my machine is almost unusable for 10 minutes. > # hdparm -i /dev/hdc > /dev/hdc: > UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 What does

updatedb affecting performance

2004-01-22 Thread Carl Cerecke
Hi, updatedb is set to run about an hour after I boot up in the morning. Once it is started, my machine is almost unusable for 10 minutes. Moving windows around the screen is unbearable: sometimes when I move a window I can see X redrawing the screen line by line. If it was any slower I'd just abo

Re: Accounting programs (was Purpose of the List)

2004-01-22 Thread Andrew Packer
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 15:26, pmw57 wrote: > For example, I'm having trouble getting GNUCash to work something like > MYOB, so what other business accounting programs are there out ther > for > Linux that are suitible for an office situation? You could investigate Moneydance: not free, but cheap,

RE: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Do a google search for "finance packages for Linux" Regards, Robert What Do Fish Say When They Hit a Concrete Wall? Dam! -Original Message- From: pmw57 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 23 January 2004 2:26 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Purpose of the CLU

Re: smb.conf file

2004-01-22 Thread Nick Rout
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:49:28 +1300 Roger Searle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm encouraged by all of yesterday's responses. I've not booted my > machine into linux for a few weeks now. I'm going to change that > starting Monday (I need to go away for a couple of days). Minimum 90% > home com

smb.conf file

2004-01-22 Thread Roger Searle
I'm encouraged by all of yesterday's responses. I've not booted my machine into linux for a few weeks now. I'm going to change that starting Monday (I need to go away for a couple of days). Minimum 90% home computer time to be linux. So a question then . . . I was struggling with configurin

Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread pmw57
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 12:19, Lee Begg wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:07, pmw57 wrote: > > After logging in I always receive three identical warning messages. They > > being "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream". > > > > OK, so you

Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread Lee Begg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:07, pmw57 wrote: > After logging in I always receive three identical warning messages. They > being "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream". > OK, so you a loading KDE or Konqueror when you get this message. To solv

Re: Purpose of the CLUG

2004-01-22 Thread pmw57
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 21:27, Carl Cerecke wrote: > As a general rule of thumb, if you aren't close to the answer within 5 > minutes of competent googling, then ask away. We certainly don't want to > put newcomers off asking questions, otherwise it might turn in to some > elitist linux-experts g

Re: CLUG social

2004-01-22 Thread Zane Gilmore
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 17:41, Jason Greenwood wrote: > Bungs up the munging... That has got to be the quote of the week! LOL -- Regards, Zane Gilmore (Linux nerd since 1998) Any suffici

Re: MS at it again ....

2004-01-22 Thread Wesley Parish
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Re: Great article resource

2004-01-22 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:58:24 +1300 anton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > LPI Certification 101 Exam Prep > > Part 1: Linux fundamentals > > Part 2: Basic administration > > Part 3: Intermediate administration > > Part 4: Advanced administration > > LPI Certification 102 Exam Prep > > Part