Re: More about the Widget Problem

2005-11-03 Thread Chris Riedl
Actually, the problem is that I don't think the drive controller and the Lisa are talking on a normal basis. Only one or two of the many times I've tried to boot have been successful in getting any sort of error message. The rest of the times, the machine acts as if it's a Lisa without a har

Re: More about the Widget Problem

2005-11-03 Thread Jason Perkins
Hi lucky Jason ! a little damaged seleonid brake or greas, which has become hard during that very long time or dust will cause this error... The thing is I had allready un-stuck the head motor when I un-stuck the brake. The heads could move around just fine. Eh, what'll ya do :) -J -- Li

Re: More about the Widget Problem

2005-11-03 Thread macmoni
Hi lucky Jason ! a little damaged seleonid brake or greas, which has become hard during that very long time or dust will cause this error... ... only for information greetings TOM from Bavaria, the center of europe, the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig e.g. Neuschwanstein and last but not

Re: Non-working Lisa PSU

2005-11-03 Thread macmoni
Hi Phil, when you opened the PSU, did you before check, whether it's necessary to solder something inside? It's very likely, that your PSU still works - and I'm shure it does, until I see one reason for an error, that it doesn't. Yes, it's true that sometimes caps dry out and sometimes the surg

Re: More about the Widget Problem

2005-11-03 Thread macmoni
Hi Chris, you wrote about your Widget-Drive - or better Lisa one's :-) It repeatedly gave the same error if I hit continue, but the next power cycle, it just hangs at the hourglass screen for a while and then asks to insert a floppy (appears if no HD is present again). Yes, thats right. The B

Re: More about the Widget Problem

2005-11-03 Thread Jason Perkins
After the drive spins up, you hear the clack of the brake, and then the head starts seeking around, right? It should be seeking around a lot, not just a blip ever second. When I got my Lisa, its Widges was non functional. When I powered it up the drive would spin up, but it would just sit ther

More about the Widget Problem

2005-11-03 Thread Chris Riedl
I've got an update regarding the problem with my Lisa's Widget. It appears that if the drive is disconnected, the system will go straight to the boot process, but when connected, the system hangs at the rectangular screen with the hourglass for some time before it attempts to boot from the

Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning

2005-11-03 Thread Jason Perkins
I do not have the plan for the 1.8 amp PSU. I did have the plans for the 1.2 amp, if I can't find it on my computer, I'll download it again. The plans for the 1.8A are not available on the internet as a PDF. VintageMicros was selling ones they had made on ebay a while ago. I picked up a set

Re: My 2 cents worth

2005-11-03 Thread Jason Perkins
"Finding a peecee mfm controller may be hard these days. In my sea of ibm stuff I may have a mfm I/F card and software. " I also have some MFM controllers, an Adaptek and a couple of Seagates. If you need one I could loan it to you. The Seagates are really nice, they have built in low level fo

Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning

2005-11-03 Thread Philip Lord
I do not have the plan for the 1.8 amp PSU. I did have the plans for the 1.2 amp, if I can't find it on my computer, I'll download it again. I have both a 1.2 (not working 95% of the time) and 1.8 amp PSUs. The 1.8 amp PSU is working fine, however preventative maintenance on the caps soun

Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning

2005-11-03 Thread Dr. Helmut Post
Hi Phil, do you have a circuit plan of the PSU? The 1.2 amp PSU circuit plan is available on the Internet- but the stronger 1.8 amp PSU plan is only available from John Woodall or James MacPhail- he has produced these plans. You should find the plans on Ebay or : www.vintagemicros.com (John's home

Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning

2005-11-03 Thread Philip Lord
Much thanks, I'll see if I can't track this book down. I just opened up an old broken 1.2amp supply to have a good look inside. Not really sure what is what however. If I can't find the book, would anyone know where the caps that need to be replaced are located? (C-?) P On Nov 3, 2005,

My 2 cents worth

2005-11-03 Thread Nord, Al
My 2 cents worth again. How about doing a low level fromatting of these old drives on a pee cee mfm controller ? Finding a peecee mfm controller may be hard these days. In my sea of ibm stuff I may have a mfm I/F card and software. Its worth a try. I had 3 working mfm drives until 2 weeks ago when

Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning

2005-11-03 Thread Dr. Helmut Post
Phil, I forgot to mention the following book: Macintosh Repair & Upgrade Secrets by Larry Pina Hayden books ISBN 0-672-48452-8 former price (in 1991): $32.95 There is a big Lisa section inside this book- the removal procedure of electrolytic caps is very good illustrated with many pictures. He

Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning

2005-11-03 Thread Dr. Helmut Post
Hi Phil, you don't have to replace all caps- only the electrolytic caps and the "transparent" , sometimes white or yellowish power surge protector (interference suppression) caps - I had several "explosions and ugly smell" with these power surge protector caps. If the Lisa had been stored in a hum

Re: error 85

2005-11-03 Thread Dr. Helmut Post
These may be parity errors- produced by a faulty SUN 20 hard disk Your thermal problem?? Helmut - Original Message - From: "Philip Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LisaList" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: error 85 > ...one more quick observation. On the occasi

Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning

2005-11-03 Thread Philip Lord
If anyone is replacing the capacitors in the PSU, would they be able to document the process with photos and a descriptions. I would be more than willing to host the instructions on my .Mac account. P On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:34 PM, Philip Lord wrote: As far as I can tell, they are the same as

Re: error 85

2005-11-03 Thread Philip Lord
...one more quick observation. On the occasional time that the Lisa boots into 7/7, often the computer has 'Technical difficulties displaying x Paper". It doesn't matter what what application, they all seem to have this problem 30% of the time. Cheers P On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:28 PM,

Re: error 85

2005-11-03 Thread Philip Lord
e...ok! it sounds like performing a low level format needs some special equipment that I'm not likely to have. If it can't be done on a Mac (now or old) or a Lisa, then I'm kinda screwed. One other thing I have noticed is an error 10100 next to what I guess is the lisa equivalent of '

Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning

2005-11-03 Thread Philip Lord
As far as I can tell, they are the same as the keyboard pads. P On Nov 3, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Chris Riedl wrote: I certainly understand about the necessity to replace all old capacitors. I have restored equipment much older than the Lisa in the past. This was something I was planning on

Re: error 85

2005-11-03 Thread Dr. Helmut Post
Hello Phil, error 85 means: you have reached the hard disk time-out limit... the hard disk hasn't answered within a given time- probably the system track, boot secor is bad . You need a fresh low level format.- or a new drive if the number of bad blocks exceeds 30 counts. > > I have just finishe