At 11:24 PM 3/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
By the way, if you want to have some fun, start talking about
NSI as a "regulated public utility" in the presence of Don
Telage, Phil Sbarboro, et al. Watch what color they turn.
Well, what they hey, Milton, why not do it right here, where everyone
can see
At 11:49 PM 3/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
The name may be property, but it's the property
of ICANN, and leased not to the registrant but to the registrar, who
acts in the name of and retains the prerogatives of the property
owner, ICANN.
Well, we'll see about that. I have in my mind right now a
Golan and all,
Yes and no. I complicates things as far as WIPO RFC-3 is concerned
to be sure, and it may complicate things with respect to how NSI may
look at things as well. It may even complicate things with respect to
the ICANN's decision in Singapore with respect to the DNSO. However
Thanks Bill -- I have been making that point now for about two years,
and you are the first person to restate it in other words!
I welcome your support for the concept that ICANN is claiming to onw
things that they have not been conceived.
My claim is that the "ICANN owns all names" business
At 12:08 AM 3/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
Thanks Bill -- I have been making that point now for about two years,
and you are the first person to restate it in other words!
I welcome your support for the concept that ICANN is claiming to onw
things that they have not been conceived.
My claim is that
It actually looks like the site for the new registry
home page, doesn't it?
No, it looks like the old NSI-InterNIC site.
The new Registry site would:
NOT have a huge link to NSI
NOT allow users to register domains
BE aimed at all Registrars equally
INFORM visitors how to find a Registrar and
If that were the case, it would be appropriate
for
http://www.internic.net
and
http://rs.internic.net
to continue to point to it, since InterNIC is the
registry (the registrar is WorldNIC).
John,
Yep. Thought it might be a staging site for a
new registry home page, but it just looks like
the
At 01:09 AM 3/24/99 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
Whoever it is described IETF as the "single largest repository of sane
understanding of the social consequences of the Internet."
Social consequences, eh? Take that, all you economists, psychologists,
historians, sociologists, law professors, and
Dave Crocker writes:
Would it not be more productive to focus the moral outrage on the
continued detriment of the user community, who remain deprived on
additional DNS name space and DNS registration competition, after
five years of delay?
Mr. Crocker's words of outrage are most amusing.
I know many refuse to accept this, but the old InterNIC was
a hybrid site involving both registry (DNS) and registrar
(customer) functions and it is very easy to establish that
most of the functions on the InterNIC site were registrar
related. InterNIC was not a registry. There was no
registry,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know many refuse to accept this, but the old InterNIC was
a hybrid site involving both registry (DNS) and registrar
(customer) functions and it is very easy to establish that
most of the functions on the InterNIC site were registrar
related. InterNIC was not a
Where are you in meat space?
At 12:58 PM 3/25/99 +0100, you wrote:
At 01:09 AM 3/24/99 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
Whoever it is described IETF as the "single largest repository of sane
understanding of the social consequences of the Internet."
Social consequences, eh? Take that, all you
John,
Note that I said it was a hybrid that involved registry and
registrar functions. NSI certainly provided registry
functions under InterNIC as it did registrar functions. But
there was not a registry per se.
Chuck
-Original Message-
From: John B. Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL
On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 08:08:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know many refuse to accept this, but the old InterNIC was
a hybrid site involving both registry (DNS) and registrar
(customer) functions and it is very easy to establish that
most of the functions on the InterNIC site were
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kent Crispin writes:
On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 08:08:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know many refuse to accept this, but the old InterNIC was
a hybrid site involving both registry (DNS) and registrar
(customer) functions and it is very easy to establish
In message 000201be76ca$2c4f04c0$010a@jbr, "John B. Reynolds" writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know many refuse to accept this, but the old InterNIC was
a hybrid site involving both registry (DNS) and registrar
(customer) functions and it is very easy to establish that
most
At 07:26 AM 3/25/99 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 08:08:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know many refuse to accept this, but the old InterNIC was
a hybrid site involving both registry (DNS) and registrar
(customer) functions and it is very easy to establish that
As far as I can see, the InterNIC site was where NSI fulfilled their duties
to the USG and the networksolutions.com site was where they offered a value
added service.
It is of course entirely self serving that NSI now claims the InterNIC site
as a Registrar site rather than a Registry site.
The basis for Asensio's misinformation charge is explained in its web site
at www.asensio.com in a document other than the press release cited by
Yahoo. One sentence caught my eye:
"There is no reasonable basis to expect that NSOL's DNS contract will not
completely be terminated on or before
Ivan,
In the interest of full disclosure to the Internet
community are you willing to disclose your
repeated failed attempts to sell your company to
Network Solutions?
Chris Clough
Network Solutions
-Original Message-
From: Ivan Pope [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March
yeah.quite an interesting report and one based on the assumption that
right NOW the word of ICANN is LAW which is false
The report reads like it was prepared by ICANN's PR firm...
Asensio makes a number of allegations in the document ones that in my
opinion could only be proven or
Asensio is a documented short seller. Previous attacks have been on smaller
companies to cover their financial position.
-Original Message-
From: Martin B. Schwimmer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 2:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IFWP] NSI
At 02:33 PM 3/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
yeah.quite an interesting report and one based on the assumption that
right NOW the word of ICANN is LAW which is false
Would you care to document that assertion?
Bill Lovell
Chris Clough writes (ouch!):
Ivan,
In the interest of full disclosure to the Internet
community are you willing to disclose your
repeated failed attempts to sell your company to
Network Solutions?
What next! The pope caught with his pants
ankle territory in bed with the devil! And
When NSOL went public, I stated rather loudly in a number of online venues
that, when the dust settled and the market took a hard look at NSOL's SEC
filings, someone would end up in prison for securities fraud.
--
Robert Raisch, Internet Hired Gun http://www.raisch.com
First snow, then
Is it the job of the spokesperson to set forth the truth or attack the
critic? Were Mr. Pope's dealings confidential? Will NSI now disclose all
its confidential business dealings? Has NSI had any contacts with Thomson
and Thomson recently? I noticed that they were running creation date info
Ivan,
They are not sending them to the registry now. They are
sending them to the registrar portion of the hybrid
registry/registrar system, so I would expect that to
continue if they continue to do business with NSI as the
registrar, no switch needed.
Chuck
-Original Message-
From:
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Clough, Christopher wrote:
Ivan,
In the interest of full disclosure to the Internet
community are you willing to disclose your
repeated failed attempts to sell your company to
Network Solutions?
Ooh, this is great. You sound a bit agitated Chris. Losing lots on
At 02:33 PM 3/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
Asensio is a documented short seller. Previous attacks have been on smaller
companies to cover their financial position.
Seems to me to be a lot of beating up on the messenger here. Either what
was written up by asensio is true, or it is not, and that
Asensio subject of 9 lawsuits:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/990318/pa_hemisph_1.html
Norman E. Murphy, Plaintiff vs. Steinberg Lyman, a New York corporation,
and MANUEL P. ASENSIO, individually, Defendants.
http://pages.prodigy.net/kjnowell/murphy.htm
Copies of a judgement against Asensio for
1. for the purposes of amendment 11...period end of discussion. NTIA
has not yet blessed the registrar requirements.
2. ICANN has yet to issue decrees and an action of ICANN has yetr top be
upheld in a court of law.
At 02:33 PM 3/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
yeah.quite an interesting
FYI --
--
Network Solutions Notes Short Seller Action
Herndon, Va., March 25, 1999 - Network Solutions, Inc. (NASDAQ: NSOL),
the world leader in Web address registrations, today acknowledged that it
has
become the subject of a short seller action.
Asensio and Co. is self-described as
Martin and all,
Well Martin there are many reasons why early termination of
a government contract may occur, your suspicion not withstanding.
It appears that you are either attempting to assign some sort of
conspiracy associated with that comment made in the www.asensio.com
document to which
Stef and all,
It has been readily apparent that from the beginning of the ICANN formation
that they were intending to claim ownership of all of the information
even remotely related to DN's, IP addresses, and Protocols. This was
plainly evident in the discussions over the bylaws as I recall.
Stef and all,
This is a good suggestion Stef. However I would differ with you
with respect to your statement below, "ORSC has the greater
collection of all prospective new gTLDs". In fact you know this is not
correct or a bit of an overstatement. With respect to Stakeholders
INEGroup is far
Kevin and all,
And just what reports to which you refer, might those be Kevin? Do
you have any documentation to support such and aspersion? If so
please cite them for us...
In addition your continued attempts to color NSI in a negative light
is in itself suspicious in nature and in
Whomever this might be and all,
Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kent Crispin writes:
On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 08:08:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know many refuse to accept this, but the old InterNIC was
a hybrid site involving both registry (DNS) and
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Clough, Christopher wrote:
Not at all. Just thought the list might
want to know.
We can still afford to take you dinner
again Patrick :^)
Great, I look forward to it. :-)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Patrick
Chris and all,
DId Patrick bite the hand that fed him once upon a time? Well,
given his attitude, I for one, am not suprised.
Clough, Christopher wrote:
Not at all. Just thought the list might
want to know.
We can still afford to take you dinner
again Patrick :^)
-Original
Not at all. Just thought the list might
want to know.
We can still afford to take you dinner
again Patrick :^)
-Original Message-
From: Patrick Greenwell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:44 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
At 03:12 PM 3/25/99 , Clough, Christopher wrote:
Asensio subject of 9 lawsuits:
NSI is and has been the subject of far more than nine lawsuits, in case
anybody has forgotten.
We can still afford to take you to dinner
again Patrick :^)
Woah! What was this never disclosed, Patrick.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Those who give up a little freedom for a little security
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one"
--Thomas Jefferson
Is it the job of the spokesperson to set forth the truth or attack the
critic?
Set forth the truth and illuminate the darkness.
Were Mr. Pope's dealings confidential?
Yes.
Will NSI now disclose all
its confidential business dealings?
see above
Has NSI had any
Carl and all,
True enough. However I was not aware that this was abaseball game?
So are we keeping score? What inning is it anyway? ;)
Carl Oppedahl wrote:
At 03:12 PM 3/25/99 , Clough, Christopher wrote:
Asensio subject of 9 lawsuits:
NSI is and has been the subject of far more than
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
We can still afford to take you to dinner
again Patrick :^)
Woah! What was this never disclosed, Patrick.
No one ever asked?
I have had dinner on NSOL a few times actually, and Gabe Batistia and I
took a cab together in Switzerland, which he
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Subject: Re: NSOL Possesses No Lock on Domain Registry or Registrar
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Richard and all,
Well I suppose this tid bit of info disqualifies poor old Patrick
Greenwood
from ever qualifying for any kind of Registrar business in the near term
with ICANN anyway, eh? ;) Not that it is any great loss of
course
Richard J. Sexton wrote:
We can still afford to
On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 05:12:48PM -0500, Clough, Christopher wrote:
Asensio subject of 9 lawsuits:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/990318/pa_hemisph_1.html
[...]
http://pages.prodigy.net/kjnowell/murphy.htm
[...]
http://www.fool.com/EveningNews/1998/EveningNews980609.htm
[...]
The number is 56. At significant cost and risk
to the company.
Carl you'll recall this:
Cases 97N1496 and 97N2456,
Oppedahl and Larson
v. Network Solutions
Motion hearing and trial preparation
conference (June 4, 1998) Denver, Colo.
-Original Message-
From: Carl Oppedahl
At 06:48 PM 3/25/99 , Clough, Christopher wrote:
At 03:12 PM 3/25/99 , Clough, Christopher wrote:
Asensio subject of 9 lawsuits:
NSI is and has been the subject of far more than nine lawsuits, in case
anybody has forgotten.
The number is 56. At significant cost and risk
to the company.
Carl
Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
I got curious and found out that todays NSOL drop was peanuts compared to
Wednesdays drop, of over 100 points, the day before the Asensio
press release.
http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=NSOLd=5d
That's not a real drop, it's a 2-for-1 stock split. See
in
particular.
Bob Collie wrote:
http://quicken.excite.com/investments/news/story/?story=/news/stories/pr/19990325/nyth025.htmsymbol=nsol
A very insightful article... and we'll just have to see how true
it is
as time goes on.
-Bob
--
Bob Collie, VP/Chief Technical Officer, Telalink Corporation
mailto
All,
FYI. Should you be thinking of competing with NSI under yet another
monopoly
known as ICANN, here is some interesting information for you
Goo luck!
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG.
Roeland and all,
Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
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>From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: NSOL Possesses No Lock on Domain Registry or
Mark, Roeland and all,
For an answer to your question you could check their last report
filing to the SEC at: http://quicken.elogic.com/sec_full.asp?ticker=NSOL
Looking good to me!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
> > I got curious and found out that todays NSOL drop was
The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) today
announced that it will extend the deadline for submission of applications
to participate in the SRS testbed program from March 29 to April 8, 1999.
(For details on Registrar Accreditation and the SRS testbed program for the
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