Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] ANNOUNCE: ICANN-Santiago Remote Participation

1999-08-24 Thread Ben Edelman
The IRC server has suffered some minor difficulties in the last 24 hours -- nothing I couldn't resolve if I were at the server console in Cambridge... but I'm not, and indeed the entire Berkman "primary technical staff" is either here in Santiago or on vacation away from Cambridge. That said, I

[IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Michael Sondow
The following Ministerial Media Release is available at: http://www.dcita.gov.au/cgi-bin/trap.pl?path=4226 ACLU president insults Australia The President of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Nadine Strossen, yesterday described Australia as a "global village idiot" because it has

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorshi

1999-08-24 Thread Michael Sondow
William X. Walsh wrote: Tuesday, August 24, 1999, 3:35:05 AM, Michael Sondow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following Ministerial Media Release is available at: http://www.dcita.gov.au/cgi-bin/trap.pl?path=4226 ACLU president insults Australia The President of the American Civil

RE: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorshi

1999-08-24 Thread R . Gaetano
Michael Sondow wrote: Yes, they don't seem to realize the respect accorded the ACLU and that, by attempting to demean it, they are just hurting themselves. I thought "global village idiot" was a particularly apt phrase, didn't you? I find it always amazing how some people that hold

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Michael Sondow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Sondow wrote: Yes, they don't seem to realize the respect accorded the ACLU and that, by attempting to demean it, they are just hurting themselves. I thought "global village idiot" was a particularly apt phrase, didn't you? I find it always

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Michael Sondow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please read the messages you receive before answering them ;). I tend to read messages carefully before replying. I also reflect before doing so. You might want to try doing the same. I did not say anything in favour of Australian censorship. (hint: I am against

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
Hi Michael, The more interesting issue and question is whether Twomey will act as a global cats paw for the sponsoring minister behind all this - who is also Twomey's mentor and sponsor. The GAC's purpose is to make findings on the legal obligations of ICANN - which is effectively obligated to

[IFWP] [Fwd: FIRST EVER INTERNIC DOMAIN EXTRACTOR]

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
All, FYI: Interesting... -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd.

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
William and all, Good point William. Sort of gives one a hint of what to expect from the GAC, doesn't it??? William X. Walsh wrote: Tuesday, August 24, 1999, 3:35:05 AM, Michael Sondow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following Ministerial Media Release is available at:

Re: [IFWP] ANNOUNCE: ICANN-Santiago Remote Participation

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Ben and all, Shades of Singapore and Berlin all over again, eh Ben? When are you folks going to learn that you need to do a dry run before one of these concerences?? Ben Edelman wrote: The IRC server has suffered some minor difficulties in the last 24 hours -- nothing I couldn't resolve

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
Actually - here is data on Twomey's boss. http://www.pccf.net/references/icann/GAC-Toomey-Alston.html Regards Jeff Mason -- Planet Communication Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Roberto and all, Oh Roeberto? And what words did the president of the ACLU use that were not proper english language words pray tell?? Who appointed you their or anyone's censor czar? When did you become a judge of proper use of language? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I find

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Tony and all, Very good point or observation Tony. And one that is likely missed by many in these discussions. Though I believe that Michael Sondow has a good handle on it. It might also be a consideration that the ICANN's GAC intent to use it's influence to promulgate their policies and

[IFWP] TRNP Reveals Media Blackout

1999-08-24 Thread Jay Fenello
From: THE REAL NEWS PAGE The other side of the news from a progressive point of view. TRNP is a portal-guide to a few good links related to media (plural) and to stories the media under-report. Edited by Jane Wardlow Prettyman, formerly at (the old) Esquire Magazine “To give citizens a

[IFWP] Re: Comment on ICANN resolution for extension of Interim Board of Directors

1999-08-24 Thread Kerry Miller
Nick Lordi wrote, A new new resolution should be drafted, posted, given a reasonable comment period, and clearly address why it is necessary. Such a new resolution could be drafted along the lines of what Michael Froomkin suggested in his previously posted comments [...] ICANN needs to

Re[2]: [IFWP] ANNOUNCE: ICANN-Santiago Remote Participation

1999-08-24 Thread Ben Edelman
For those who are interested -- the IRC server is back online and fully operational. I discourage using it before the GA session starts at 2:00 Eastern time -- comments made there before the meeting officially begins won't be read by me, other Berkman staff, or the ICANN board, and neither will

Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] ANNOUNCE: ICANN-Santiago Remote Participation

1999-08-24 Thread Mark C. Langston
Ben - I may need to take you up on that offer of the dial-in. I'm trying to listen to the archive of the ccTLD meeting from yesterday, and getting the same firewall issues I usually have (not available via http). Of course, I'll only need the dial-in for certain if the other webcasts are

Re: [IFWP] Re: Comment on ICANN resolution for extension of Interim Board of Directors

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Kerry and all, It is our [INEGroup's} opinion as we have already voted upon and in respect to the current ICANN (Initial?) Interim boards self determined "Extension", as invalid. This decision should be made by the membership in accordance with the terms of the White Paper. The compliance

Re: [IFWP] TRNP Reveals Media Blackout - ICANN coup d'etat?

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Jay and all, After the Singapore, I had posted several remarks and comments with respect to where we [INEGroup] believe that the ICANN is headed. In the "Open Letter" that James Love and Ralph Nader submitted to the ICANN (Initial?) Interim Board on June 11th, and Esther Dysons response made

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Mark Measday
Tony: If NSI can use its business model to build the same value for others as it has done for itself, why the necessary opposition to GAC? They'd do better to cooperate when the admission policy is sorted out. However, your point that the laisser-faire governments who by their absence

Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] ANNOUNCE: ICANN-Santiago Remote Participation

1999-08-24 Thread BrandonButterworth
I may need to take you up on that offer of the dial-in. I'm trying to listen to the archive of the ccTLD meeting from yesterday, and getting the same firewall issues I usually have (not available via http). Real can serve over http if configured regards, brandon

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Walsh and Everyone, I had no problem with finding them give a little time and effort. William X. Walsh wrote: Saturday, August 21, 1999, 8:13:14 PM, Jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: Saturday, August 21, 1999, 7:47:32 PM, Jeff

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Walsh and Everyone, How many times do you need to see the same emails, Mr. Walsh? William X. Walsh wrote: Saturday, August 21, 1999, 7:47:32 PM, Jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William and all, I am afraid I don't agree with William's evaluation of the Berkman Centers

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Walsh and Everyone, It is evident to me, and I suspect most reasonable people, that if a criticism is levied that is a reasonable, that it would be best to address it directly so as to correct the problem concerned. William X. Walsh wrote: Sunday, August 22, 1999, 3:50:48 AM, Planet

Re: [IFWP] Re[2]: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Walsh and Everyone, Mr. Walsh, your comments are only partly relevant to Mr. Masons suggestion. The level or amount of experience that anyone has in these sort of matters is relevant only to a point from a realistic perspective There are indeed several concerns that Mr. Mason has

Re: [IFWP] Re: Report on Working Group C - [Attention Jonathan Weinberg and Esther Dyson]

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Jeff and Everyone, I find myself in complete agreement with Jeff's statements here... Jeff Williams wrote: Kent and all, I would strongly disagree with Kent and Jonathan's tally as presented by Jonathan in his post, http://www.dnso.org/wgroups/wg-c/Archives/msg01037.html to which Kent refers.

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Rutkowski and Everyone, I find myself in agreement with Mr. Rutkowski. A.M. Rutkowski wrote: Hi Mark, If NSI can use its business model to build the same value for others as it has done for itself, why the necessary opposition to GAC? They'd do While I agree that the NSI business model

Re[2]: [IFWP] A new addition to the JW FAQ

1999-08-24 Thread William X. Walsh
Tuesday, August 24, 1999, 8:22:48 AM, Mark Jeftovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24-Aug-99 Jeff Williams wrote: Alex and all, Robust what??? Get a grip there alex. Sheeesh! I see that your propensity for Fantasy is fairly strong judging from this and many other posts to this list...

Re[2]: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorshi

1999-08-24 Thread William X. Walsh
Tuesday, August 24, 1999, 5:14:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Sondow wrote: Yes, they don't seem to realize the respect accorded the ACLU and that, by attempting to demean it, they are just hurting themselves. I thought "global village idiot" was a particularly

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorshi

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
All, I wonder whey I find William's last statement so familier? "What was most telling about this report was how this official twisted what was said, and turned it for his own purpose." Could it be that he is guilty of doing this himself? Hu??? William X. Walsh wrote: Tuesday, August

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

1999-08-24 Thread Michael Sondow
A.M. Rutkowski wrote: One wonders how long it will take GAC to recommend that all DNS registrants be subject to a requirement to honor a law such as the Aussie's have adopted as condition of registering a domain name. SS! The walls have ears.

[IFWP] John Goodspeed is NOT an INEGroup member...

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Goodspeed and Everyone, Mr. Goodspeed, I believe that the post from Jeff Williams (See below), and my subject line of this post is self explanatory Further correspondence on this matter shall be disregarded if publicly posted. You, Mr. Goodspeed may still apply for membership, but

Re: [IFWP] A new addition to the JW FAQ

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Walsh and Everyone, Certainly if you wish, please do. I sent several messages as I recall while I was in Singapore and to and from as well... William X. Walsh wrote: Tuesday, August 24, 1999, 8:22:48 AM, Mark Jeftovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24-Aug-99 Jeff Williams wrote: Alex

Re: [IFWP] A new addition to the JW FAQ

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Brian and all, Yes, as I recall, but I will check my archives later, I received several private posts from you while you were both in route, at Singapore and on your way to back to Europe to meet with me and some other folks... Brian C. Hollingsworth wrote: Mr. Walsh and Everyone,

[IFWP] funding ICANN

1999-08-24 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
Some of us believe that it would be useful to begin a dialogue about funding ICANN. The following ideas have been anonymously contributed. A bake sale a cooking show featuring Esther selling tickets to their funeral get the Franklin Mint to do a commemorative medallion of Esther as

Re: [IFWP] funding ICANN

1999-08-24 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, A.M. Rutkowski wrote: Some of us believe that it would be useful to begin a dialogue about funding ICANN. The following ideas have been anonymously contributed. A bake sale a cooking show featuring Esther PORN. The best way to do it is with porn. Let's put on

Re: [IFWP] funding ICANN

1999-08-24 Thread Dan Steinberg
Tony, thats about as constructive as Ken's comments last week. Are the two of you collaborating? "A.M. Rutkowski" wrote: Some of us believe that it would be useful to begin a dialogue about funding ICANN. The following ideas have been anonymously contributed. A bake sale a cooking

[IFWP] Court OKs some domains with trademarked names

1999-08-24 Thread Kerry Miller
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,0-40897,00.html Court OKs some domains with trademarked names By Dan Goodin Staff Writer, CNET News.com August 24, 1999, 5:40 p.m. PT Internet addresses that include trademarked names do not necessarily constitute a violation, according to a

[IFWP] who controls the internet - Political News from Wired News (fwd)

1999-08-24 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
dont know if this has already been posted http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/politics/story/21393.html

Re: [IFWP] Avery v. Sumpton (was Court OKs some domains withtrademarked names

1999-08-24 Thread Ellen Rony
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,0-40897,00.html Court OKs some domains with trademarked names By Dan Goodin Staff Writer, CNET News.com August 24, 1999, 5:40 p.m. PT The complete Opinion is posted at:

Re: [IFWP] funding ICANN

1999-08-24 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 08:36 PM 8/24/99 -0400, you wrote: Some of us believe that it would be useful to begin a dialogue about funding ICANN. The following ideas have been anonymously contributed. A bake sale a cooking show featuring Esther selling tickets to their funeral get the Franklin Mint to do a

Re: [IFWP] Court OKs some domains with trademarked names [Attention Kathy Kleinman and the NCDNHC]

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Kerry and all, Interesting case. Thank you for providing the reference Kerry. It shall go in my database for these kinds of cases. The article didn't mention a filing number. Do you happen to know it? At any rate it seems that this would be case would be in direct conflict with the WIPO

[IFWP] [Fwd: [apnic-talk] [apnic-announce] Reverse DNS Delegation: Service Upgrade]

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
All, FYI: Well well well... I see that my idea is spreading... ;) Can't say I didn't tell you so! Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail

[IFWP] Re: John Goodspeed is not a INEGroup member, 2nd public response, 3rd overall response was:Re: INEGroup membership polling....

1999-08-24 Thread William X. Walsh
Tuesday, August 24, 1999, 11:46:17 AM, Jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John and all, John, you are not and are not likely to ever be an INEGroup member! Can you read that clearly? If not, I can make it larger! You, John Good speed have been personally and publicaly informed as

Re: [IFWP] funding ICANN

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Tony and all, ROFLMAO! This is very funny, but appropriate. By the way, I hope that COIN/MEDAL that Franklin Mint minting will be sure that Esther has her Sup-Hose on with no knots in them... ;) A.M. Rutkowski wrote: Some of us believe that it would be useful to begin a dialogue about

Re: [IFWP] funding ICANN

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
JeffM and all, Good idea! I would suggest Sup-hose for Esther or Thigh High sup-Hose though... Planet Communications Computing Facility wrote: On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, A.M. Rutkowski wrote: Some of us believe that it would be useful to begin a dialogue about funding ICANN. The

Re: [IFWP] funding ICANN

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Richard and all, Richard, you are just full of ideas, arn't ya! ROFLMAO! Good one here Richard... Richard J. Sexton wrote: Impose a $1 per newsgroup name to coordinate the Usenet technical functions. Impose a $1 per mailing list to coordinate mailing list technical parameters.

[IFWP] Re: John Goodspeed is not a INEGroup member, 2nd public response, 3rd overall response was:Re: INEGroup membership polling....

1999-08-24 Thread Jeff Williams
William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: Tuesday, August 24, 1999, 11:46:17 AM, Jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John and all, John, you are not and are not likely to ever be an INEGroup member! Can you read that clearly? If not, I can make it larger! You, John Good speed

Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] ANNOUNCE: ICANN-Santiago Remote Participation

1999-08-24 Thread Ben Edelman
FYI, our firewall problems were solved by some last-minute reconfiguration I managed to complete this afternoon. All known firewall users were able to connect just fine this afternoon to the RealServer after these configuration changes were completed, and if anyone else is having firewall

RE: Re[2]: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorshi

1999-08-24 Thread R . Gaetano
William X. Walsh wrote: First of all, Roberto, before you make such a judgement, based on the extremely bias reporting of what was said by a government official who has been actively involved in promoting the censorship rules, you should find out exactly what he said. I must admit you're