Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-23 Thread Jeff Williams
Michael and all, As has been suggested by several "ICANN'ites", this is what the ICANN eventually wants to do is migrate to Geneva But hell, why not Uzbekistan!? ROFLMAO! Michael Sondow wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: > > > > Do you have an idea of who is participating in the EC-PoP

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-23 Thread Michael Sondow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: > > Do you have an idea of who is participating in the EC-PoP? The same persons and entities, I assume, who were happy to see the IAHC run from Geneva. Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.ici

RE: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-23 Thread R . Gaetano
Michael, You wrote: > > This is what's called solipsistic reasoning, Roberto. The EC POP is > an integral component of the IAHC, which created ICANN and appointed > its board. Do you have an idea of who is participating in the EC-PoP? Roberto

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-21 Thread Michael Sondow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: > > Add also the EC Panel of Participants. This is what's called solipsistic reasoning, Roberto. The EC POP is an integral component of the IAHC, which created ICANN and appointed its board. Obviously, they would support them. Saying that the POP or the Poised list supp

RE: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread R . Gaetano
Greg, Add also the EC Panel of Participants. Roberto > -Original Message- > From: Greg Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, 20 July 1999 5:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fan

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Gene Marsh
At 11:38 PM 7/20/99 -0400, you wrote: >>Sounds then like you are testifying, Mikki? glad to hear >>thiswhy have they been so quiet about who is to appear? > >I'm on the schedule. I may still be bumped. > I hope not. It would be interesting if you were bumped and others allowed to testify.

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Michael Sondow
Mikki Barry a écrit: > > >Equally disturbing is why the Commerce Committee has refused to > >permit anyone to speak at their hearing who has the integrity and > >courage to say these things in public. The cover-up for ICANN > >continues. > > Gee, thanks Sorry, I wrote that before I saw that

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Mikki Barry
>Sounds then like you are testifying, Mikki? glad to hear >thiswhy have they been so quiet about who is to appear? I'm on the schedule. I may still be bumped.

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Gordon Cook
Sounds then like you are testifying, Mikki? glad to hear thiswhy have they been so quiet about who is to appear? > >Equally disturbing is why the Commerce Committee has refused to > >permit anyone to speak at their hearing who has the integrity and > >courage to say these things in publ

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 10:55 PM 7/20/99 -0400, you wrote: >>Equally disturbing is why the Commerce Committee has refused to >>permit anyone to speak at their hearing who has the integrity and >>courage to say these things in public. The cover-up for ICANN >>continues. > >Gee, thanks Uh, yeah, I was gonna say som

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Mikki Barry
>Equally disturbing is why the Commerce Committee has refused to >permit anyone to speak at their hearing who has the integrity and >courage to say these things in public. The cover-up for ICANN >continues. Gee, thanks

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Michael Sondow
Equally disturbing is why the Commerce Committee has refused to permit anyone to speak at their hearing who has the integrity and courage to say these things in public. The cover-up for ICANN continues. Karl Auerbach a écrit: > > > Also disturbing is this comment from Esther Dyson's letter to B

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Jeff Williams
Greg and all,   Agreed.  This has been mainly due to the ICANN's either gross inability of their "Outreach" program, or the "Outreach" program is more of a "Dog and pony show" for the NTIA to give the APPEARANCE of reaching out to the stakeholder community Greg Skinner wrote: "William X. Wals

Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Karl Auerbach
> Also disturbing is this comment from Esther Dyson's letter to Becky Burr: > > This Board personifies effective > consensus decision-making, and many of its members feel that losing the > ability to discuss matters in decisional meetings in private will adversely > affect the candor of those di

Re[2]: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Ellen Rony
>Monday, July 19, 1999, 7:25:21 PM, Patrick Greenwell ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Bill Lovell wrote: >>> Wow! Sounds like [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there consensus here? >>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > >> All kidding aside, Tony raises an extremely valid point: Where is all this >> "co

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Greg Skinner
Karl Auerbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually if you read the Poised list (I am a former co-chairman of the > IETF Poised working group) you will find that the IETF support for ICANN > is not at all clear or unqualified. I don't think I said anything to the contrary. There are several peo

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Karl Auerbach
> I actually meant to include the poised list as an example of a place > where I have seen a good amount of support for ICANN as well. Actually if you read the Poised list (I am a former co-chairman of the IETF Poised working group) you will find that the IETF support for ICANN is not at all cle

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Karl Auerbach
> > As it turns out, ICANN actually has an official > > "Community Feedback" site that contains an archive of > > all the "reflections of community consensus." It's the > > only site, and it's at http://www.icann.org/feedback.html > > I wouldn't go so far as to say that ICANN's community feedba

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 08:00 AM 7/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >I actually meant to include the poised list as an example of a place >where I have seen a good amount of support for ICANN as well. > >--gregbo How many people is that ? -- Richard Sexton | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dns.vrx.net/tech/rootzone http://kil

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Greg Skinner
I actually meant to include the poised list as an example of a place where I have seen a good amount of support for ICANN as well. --gregbo

Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Greg Skinner
"William X. Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Come on now Patrick, you know that they mean consensus from the CORE, > ISOC, and Trademark interests. Indeed. As others have pointed out, users, small business owners, independent domain owners (holders), etc. have been left out thus far. --greg

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-20 Thread Greg Skinner
"A.M. Rutkowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As it turns out, ICANN actually has an official > "Community Feedback" site that contains an archive of > all the "reflections of community consensus." It's the > only site, and it's at http://www.icann.org/feedback.html I wouldn't go so far as to s

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Jeff Williams
Richard and all, This one, http://www.icann.org/comments-mail/icann-current/msg00306.html I thought was the most outrageously funny one I have seen in some time. ROFLMAO! However you example from ICANN's own questionable archives, http://www.icann.org/comments-mail/icann-current/threads.html

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Kent Crispin
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 11:48:45PM -0400, Richard J. Sexton wrote: > At 11:35 PM 7/19/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Richard, > > > >All of the TLDA postings, all of the Tom Bliley messages, all of the Esther > >Dyson messages, all the messages to James Love, all the messages to Rep. > >Tom Sawyer (my re

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Kent Crispin
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 11:37:22PM -0400, Richard J. Sexton wrote: > At 07:05 PM 7/19/99 -0700, you wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 10:02:01PM -0400, Gene Marsh wrote: > >> It is interesting, is it not, that the messages I forwarded to the list > >> never appeared there. > > > >It rejects cross-

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Patrick Greenwell
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Bill Lovell wrote: > At 10:02 PM 7/19/99 -0400, you wrote: > > > >> > >>5. Analysis. ICANN's own "community feedback" files of record > >>reveal clearly there is no "community consensus." Indeed, it is > >>preponderantly a chaotic randomness of topics and people combined

Re[2]: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread William X. Walsh
Monday, July 19, 1999, 7:25:21 PM, Patrick Greenwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Bill Lovell wrote: >> Wow! Sounds like [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there consensus here? >> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > All kidding aside, Tony raises an extremely valid point: Where is all this > "consensus"

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Gene Marsh
Richard, All of the TLDA postings, all of the Tom Bliley messages, all of the Esther Dyson messages, all the messages to James Love, all the messages to Rep. Tom Sawyer (my representative), and more. None of them are there. Gene... At 11:37 PM 7/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 07:05 PM 7/19/99 -07

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 07:05 PM 7/19/99 -0700, you wrote: >On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 10:02:01PM -0400, Gene Marsh wrote: >> It is interesting, is it not, that the messages I forwarded to the list >> never appeared there. > >It rejects cross-postings. Since when ? http://www.icann.org/comments-mail/icann-current/msg00

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Gene Marsh
At 07:25 PM 7/19/99 -0700, you wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Bill Lovell wrote: > >> At 10:02 PM 7/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>5. Analysis. ICANN's own "community feedback" files of record >> >>reveal clearly there is no "community consensus." Indeed, it is >> >>preponderantly a ch

Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Patrick Greenwell
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: > Monday, July 19, 1999, 7:25:21 PM, Patrick Greenwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Bill Lovell wrote: > >> Wow! Sounds like [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there consensus here? > >> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > > > All kidding aside, Tony rai

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 11:35 PM 7/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >Richard, > >All of the TLDA postings, all of the Tom Bliley messages, all of the Esther >Dyson messages, all the messages to James Love, all the messages to Rep. >Tom Sawyer (my representative), and more. None of them are there. Somboy noticed recently that

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Bill Lovell
At 10:02 PM 7/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >> >>5. Analysis. ICANN's own "community feedback" files of record >>reveal clearly there is no "community consensus." Indeed, it is >>preponderantly a chaotic randomness of topics and people combined >>with one outspoken critic, and almost none of the mat

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Kent Crispin
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 10:02:01PM -0400, Gene Marsh wrote: > It is interesting, is it not, that the messages I forwarded to the list > never appeared there. It rejects cross-postings. -- Kent Crispin "Do good, and you'll be [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Kent Crispin
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 10:02:01PM -0400, Gene Marsh wrote: > It is interesting, is it not, that the messages I forwarded to the list > never appeared there. It rejects cross-postings. -- Kent Crispin "Do good, and you'll be [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Gene Marsh
It is interesting, is it not, that the messages I forwarded to the list never appeared there. I will repost. Gene Marsh At 09:56 PM 7/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >FANCY > > >In Esther Dyson's reply to Dept of Commerce's Becky Burr >today, and copied to Commerce Committee Bliley, she used >the term

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread Gene Marsh
It is interesting, is it not, that the messages I forwarded to the list never appeared there. I will repost. Gene Marsh At 09:56 PM 7/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >FANCY > > >In Esther Dyson's reply to Dept of Commerce's Becky Burr >today, and copied to Commerce Committee Bliley, she used >the term

[IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
FANCY In Esther Dyson's reply to Dept of Commerce's Becky Burr today, and copied to Commerce Committee Bliley, she used the term "Internet Community" 10 times to justify various actions and assertions. Examples include: "...was adopted following a thorough process of notice and comment

[IFWP] ICANN's "Internet Community" - Fact and Fancy

1999-07-19 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
FANCY In Esther Dyson's reply to Dept of Commerce's Becky Burr today, and copied to Commerce Committee Bliley, she used the term "Internet Community" 10 times to justify various actions and assertions. Examples include: "...was adopted following a thorough process of notice and comment