RE: [WSG] Compliant pop ups

2007-01-30 Thread michael.brockington
Forget detecting screen readers - it is not possible: some of them sit entirely on top of a standard browser, without affecting it directly. You would have more chance detecting if a user was colour-blind! Mike -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL

[WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Samuel Richardson
I'm building an HTML 4 Transitional layout for Firefox using tables. Before you all run screaming or hang me from the gallows I have a reason, the page is being used as an email promotion, web based email readers such as GMail ignore float styles necessitating the use of table based layouts (oh

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Svip
Drop the border colour, and give the table a background and turn up your cellspacing and set border to 0. table cellpadding=5 cellspacing=2 border=0 background=#cc However, I would strongly suggest CSS for this job. Regards, Svip On 1/30/07, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread John Faulds
Can you use CSS styles instead of HTML attributes and do: border-collapse: collapse; border: 2px solid #C00 ? On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:39:42 +1000, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm building an HTML 4 Transitional layout for Firefox using tables. Before you all run screaming

RE: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Samuel Richardson
As I explained, CSS layouts do not render in Gmail/Hotmail etc. I've tried your HTML below, it just gives me a fill in that table. You can see the HTML here: http://tui/expresstemplate/template_japanese/ The yellow section partway down the page is what I'm trying to fix, if you view it in

FW: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Samuel Richardson
Sorry, that address should be: http://duvel.intrepidtravel.com/expresstemplate/template_japanese/ -Original Message- From: Samuel Richardson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:11 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread David Dorward
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:39:42AM +1100, Samuel Richardson wrote: I'm building an HTML 4 Transitional layout for Firefox using tables. My question is; I'm using the follow to create a 2px wide red border with padding for content table cellpadding=5 cellspacing=0 border=2

[WSG] Creating link arrows/icons in css

2007-01-30 Thread Jason Bayly
Hi Guys Went to my first UG meeting last week and was very impressed with the quality of the speakers. Keep up the good work! Has anyone got any examples or techniques to add an icon/image to the right of an anchor tag, specifically when the text wraps to a second line. Google doesn’t want

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Samuel Richardson wrote: As I explained, CSS layouts do not render in Gmail/Hotmail etc. ? I just tried sending a fairly complex HTML email that uses tables and is *totally* styled with inline CSS to my gmail account -- and it renders exactly as I'd expect. And as it happens, it has an

Re: [WSG] Creating link arrows/icons in css

2007-01-30 Thread Paul Novitski
At 1/30/2007 03:26 PM, Jason Bayly wrote: Has anyone got any examples or techniques to add an icon/image to the right of an anchor tag, specifically when the text wraps to a second line. Google doesn’t want to help today…. You can apply a padding-right to your anchor and a background-image

RE: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Rachel May
Hi Samuel, Can't you still use inline styles for the border and gmail will render it correctly? I know gmail is a pain with css, but have you tested inline css for this border problem? Cheers, Rachel -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Gmail supports many attributes, but not everything. I once found a great list of what different software and online clients support, sorry I have checked my bookmarks and can't locate it. If you find that list you'll be set, please post it here too because I would love to find it again!

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Michael MD
? I just tried sending a fairly complex HTML email that uses tables and is *totally* styled with inline CSS to my gmail account -- and it renders exactly as I'd expect. That might be fine for webmail accounts where you are using a web browser but what about desktop email clients? (yes

RE: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Samuel Richardson
I did follow a random article that I found with a Google search that gave a list of which styles worked and which didn't, I assumed that the didn't list would not work inline either which may not be the case after reading a few posts on the list. If anyone can dig up a best methods article for

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Mark Harris
Michael MD wrote: That might be fine for webmail accounts where you are using a web browser but what about desktop email clients? (yes Outlook/Outlook Express use IE to render html.. but what about others?.. can you be sure everyone's email client can even render tables? maybe I might be

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread John Faulds
If anyone can dig up a best methods article for producing HTML emails then that would be fantastic. http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2005/08/optimizing_css_1.html -- Tyssen Design Web print design services www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Michael MD wrote: That might be fine for webmail accounts where you are using a web browser but what about desktop email clients? (yes Outlook/Outlook Express use IE to render html.. but what about others?.. can you be sure everyone's email client can even render tables? maybe I might

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Mark Harris at 01/31/07 12:01... Michael MD wrote: That might be fine for webmail accounts where you are using a web browser but what about desktop email clients? (yes Outlook/Outlook Express use IE to render html.. but what about others?.. can you be sure everyone's email client can

RE: [WSG] Creating link arrows/icons in css

2007-01-30 Thread Jason Bayly
Thanks Paul, I've implemented what you suggest.. http://www.newgency.com/test/css_temp.htm The css technique doesn’t seem to work too well. I also have a non css example of what I'm trying to achieve. If you resize the browser window so that the link wraps, you will see the end result. Any

Re: [WSG] Remove 3D Border Effect from Firefox Tables

2007-01-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
It is always a good idea to check the CSS-discuss wiki http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=StyleInEmail might have enough links, tips and tricks to do what you want. (and you can always update it...) Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com

Re: [WSG] Creating link arrows/icons in css

2007-01-30 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/30/07, Jason Bayly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Paul, I've implemented what you suggest.. http://www.newgency.com/test/css_temp.htm The css technique doesn't seem to work too well. I also have a non css example of what I'm trying to achieve. If you resize the browser window so that

[WSG] Styling form elements in Safari

2007-01-30 Thread TomGou
Hello All, Am I correct in assuming there isn't a way to style an input of type submit in Safari to match what I've styled that shows in Firefox and Netscape? -TIA *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Styling form elements in Safari

2007-01-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jan 31, 2007, at 12:08 PM, TomGou wrote: Am I correct in assuming there isn't a way to style an input of type submit in Safari to match what I've styled that shows in Firefox and Netscape? button type=submitbutton text/button Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com

[WSG] div out of alignment

2007-01-30 Thread Jermayn Parker
Hi all I know this is a fairly simple problem but after spending a few days designing it and nutting out all these problems, im kinder over it (if you kow what i mean) In ie the divs which hold the main content go below the side menu divs if the window size isnt big enough. I think the

Re: [WSG] div out of alignment

2007-01-30 Thread John Faulds
If you reduce the width of the window in FF you get the right column overlapping the left which suggests the maths on the columns doesn't add up which on quick look seems a bit odd because they seem to add up to less than 100%. I changed #sidebar to 39% instead of 40% though and the right

RE: [WSG] Creating link arrows/icons in css

2007-01-30 Thread Paul Novitski
At 1/30/2007 05:50 PM, Jason Bayly wrote: Thanks Paul, I've implemented what you suggest.. http://www.newgency.com/test/css_temp.htm The css technique doesn't seem to work too well. I also have a non css example of what I'm trying to achieve. If you resize the browser window so that the link