Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

2007-02-22 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/23/07, Shlomi Asaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks a Lot Tee what i don't understand is- you create a table layout, so why not using a Table if u already has the structure, and even a little more expensive then table- you have another element- the clearing one. Because using the table wo

Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

2007-02-22 Thread Shlomi Asaf
Thanks a Lot Tee what i don't understand is- you create a table layout, so why not using a Table if u already has the structure, and even a little more expensive then table- you have another element- the clearing one. On 2/22/07, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 21, 2007, at 3:29

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

2007-02-22 Thread Steve Olive
On Friday 23 February 2007 17:35, Tim wrote: > Easy. Tell them to "Right click" the search button and open results in > a new window. > Anything else will fail to validate as a strict doctype and be less > accessible. > > Tim > ] > > On 23/02/2007, at 5:09 PM, Gallagher, Robin wrote: > > Users of t

RE: [WSG] Internationalization for hindi (data getting corrupted while sendng from jsp to action)

2007-02-22 Thread Nisha Kumari
Hi I have done all following changes in my jsp page. I am using struts and even have saved my Hindi text in a application recourse file and have save that file in a UTF-8 encoding format. I can see in browser the encoding is getting set to UTF-8 because of the jsp tag (<[EMAIL PROTECTED] encodi

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

2007-02-22 Thread Lindsay Evans
On 2/23/07, Gallagher, Robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Users of the search engine on my intranet site wold like to have the results open in a new page. Can anyone suggest a valid method to do this in xhtml 1.1? Hi Robin, Roger Johansson has a pretty good (and easy to implement) script: http:/

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

2007-02-22 Thread Tim
Easy. Tell them to "Right click" the search button and open results in a new window. Anything else will fail to validate as a strict doctype and be less accessible. Tim ] On 23/02/2007, at 5:09 PM, Gallagher, Robin wrote: Users of the search engine on my intranet site wold like to have the re

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

2007-02-22 Thread Lyn Patterson
Check out footerStickAlt from the man in blue - http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/ Your css looks similar - you might read through his write-up and see if there are some clues. I notice that he uses position: relative for the footer, which you don't, and that might keep

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

2007-02-22 Thread Lyn Patterson
* html, body { height: 100%;} * html #container {height: 1%;} The first one is wrong because there's a comma in there and you're applying a rule that you already have on the body and the second one isn't needed because you've already applied a height to #container. Thanks for that John - I ca

[WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

2007-02-22 Thread Gallagher, Robin
Users of the search engine on my intranet site wold like to have the results open in a new page. Can anyone suggest a valid method to do this in xhtml 1.1? Thanks > Robin Gallagher > DSTO Intranet & Internet Manager > (03) 9626 7386 > > > *

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

2007-02-22 Thread Rolf SF
Lynn, Check out footerStickAlt from the man in blue - http:// www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/ Your css looks similar - you might read through his write-up and see if there are some clues. I notice that he uses position: relative for the footer, which you don't, and that

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

2007-02-22 Thread John Faulds
Looks OK at my end. The two other things I'd remove would be: * html, body { height: 100%;} * html #container {height: 1%;} The first one is wrong because there's a comma in there and you're applying a rule that you already have on the body and the second one isn't needed because you've alre

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

2007-02-22 Thread Lyn Patterson
It's margin-bottom: -40px on #container which is causing the problem. If it's there to make the footer stick to the bottom, you might want to look at a different implementation. Thanks John but having removed it, the problem remains. http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/test/newindex.html

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

2007-02-22 Thread John Faulds
It's margin-bottom: -40px on #container which is causing the problem. If it's there to make the footer stick to the bottom, you might want to look at a different implementation. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:36:47 +1000, Lyn Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good morning http://www.westernw

Re: [WSG] Internationalization for hindi (data getting corrupted while sendng from jsp to action)

2007-02-22 Thread Lachlan Hunt
On Feb 22, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Nisha Kumari wrote: I am trying to implement internationalization for my site. But when I am trying to enter some Hindi text in a text box (struts html:text) the value I m getting in my action is not expected one. Getting some corrupted value rather than Hindi entered

[WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

2007-02-22 Thread Lyn Patterson
Good morning http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/test/newindex.html I am having more trouble with this relatively simple design than with far more complicated sites. . The problem only seems to occur in IE at res 800 x 600. At res 1024 x 768 it is fine and in Fx at 800 x 600 it is fine but

RE: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Jermayn Parker
One I remember is the discussion about a persons dvd list. I remember because I personally use a table for my Phantom comic collection, so much easier than using anything else... >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/02/2007 2:05:59 am >>> "Could you elaborate on the misuse of s?" I can't remember any spe

Re: [WSG] Internationalization for hindi (data getting corrupted while sendng from jsp to action)

2007-02-22 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Feb 22, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Nisha Kumari wrote: Hi All. I am trying to implement internationalization for my site. But when I am trying to enter some Hindi text in a text box (struts html:text) the value I m getting in my action is not expected one. Getting some corrupted value rather than

Re: [WSG] Is a span valid within a caption?

2007-02-22 Thread Rolf SF
Thanks Paul, and Eugenio I did validate the code (no errors). I'm just checking to see if there's something I missed, trying to understand why Visual Studio would report an error. On Feb 22, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Rolf SF wrote: I can't seem to find a definitive answ

Re: [WSG] Is a span valid within a caption?

2007-02-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Rolf SF wrote: I can't seem to find a definitive answer on whether it's valid to include a span within a caption in a table. A colleague mentioned that Visual Studio has thrown a warning: Element 'span' cannot be nested within element 'caption' According to the HTML 4.01 DTD, caption can conta

Re: [WSG] Is a span valid within a caption?

2007-02-22 Thread TuteC
Caption and span are inline elements, I don't see any problems in merging them. Checked an example code at W3C HTML validator, and it validated ok. Best regards; Eugenio Costa. On 2/22/07, Rolf SF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't seem to find a definitive answer on whether it's valid to includ

[WSG] Is a span valid within a caption?

2007-02-22 Thread Rolf SF
I can't seem to find a definitive answer on whether it's valid to include a span within a caption in a table. A colleague mentioned that Visual Studio has thrown a warning: Element 'span' cannot be nested within element 'caption' Anyone? Thanks, Rolf

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread David Dorward
Designer wrote: However, this is like saying "I don't use tables, but I wish I could, so I'm going to do the next best thing and make some divs behave like a table with cells" - Isn't it? No, it is like saying "This isn't tabular data, but I want a tabular layout, so my markup is not going

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread TuteC
I think it is a solution for preventing the use of layout tables. I wish I could use it, so a modern browser can see a nicely organized site, a palm a linearized site, and a screen reader can read the contents. A sort of way to device independency. Regards; Eugenio Costa. On 2/22/07, Designer <[E

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Designer
Thanks to all who responded. I must say that I basically agree with most of what was said, but a few things still bother me, semantic-wise. Firstly, doing it 'properly' could be seen as using the following: #grid {display : table; } #colalpha { width : 28em; display : table-cel

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Barney Carroll
Steve Green wrote: "Could you elaborate on the misuse of s?" I can't remember any specific instances but over the last year on this list there have been numerous discussions where people were trying to shoehorn tabular data into definition lists when they clearly should have been using tables. N

RE: [WSG] re: please help me make this design work some way in firefox an ie

2007-02-22 Thread Kepler Gelotte
Hi, It appears you are missing a closing quote: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of varun krishnan Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:12 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] re: please help me make this design work some way in firefox an ie Hi Guys, I am working on this design h

[WSG] re: please help me make this design work some way in firefox an ie

2007-02-22 Thread varun krishnan
Hi Guys, I am working on this design http://www.vk123.com/modx/ The footer is not rendering sometimes properly in firefox. What Could be the reason ? thanks, Varun *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guide

RE: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Steve Green
"Could you elaborate on the misuse of s?" I can't remember any specific instances but over the last year on this list there have been numerous discussions where people were trying to shoehorn tabular data into definition lists when they clearly should have been using tables. Nick has obviously not

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread David Dorward
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:48:21 -, Barney Carroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Dorward wrote: Every cell in a row represents a day in a week. Every cell in a column represents the same day of the week. Looks tabular to me. Isn't the first precept of semantic markup that looks are no g

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Seb Neerman
I think it depends how you'll lay it out. If you're thinking about those ugly looking calendars on a blog's side column, or a funkier 2.oh calendar webapp, then yes. It's gonna be tabular. If you're going to lay out a list item per month or week as one long scrolly page, with every day on

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Barney Carroll
David Dorward wrote: Every cell in a row represents a day in a week. Every cell in a column represents the same day of the week. Looks tabular to me. Isn't the first precept of semantic markup that looks are no guide as to what things actually are? Regards, Barney ***

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Barney Carroll
Andrew Maben wrote: Perhaps you could chip in on a debate I'm having with myself: Is a calendar tabular data? Andrew Not in the truest sense. A calendar relies on one axis alone - time. By putting it into a table, you are artificially constraining its info on false premises. For instance,

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread luiz gustavo aleagi nunes
Hello Andrew, I think a calendar could be a tabular data or not. You can make a calendar without a table at all. Semantics is all about this, discussion what is right or wrong (it leads you to anywhere but hey, we're humand and this is what we do, we arguee and discuss all the time). I mean, i

Re: [WSG] Rewriting site - help, please.

2007-02-22 Thread luiz gustavo aleagi nunes
Hello Andrew, There's a free tool to show you how you site will look in different browsers and plataforms: http://browsershots.org/ Take a time and submit you URL in there. About your design, I like it, it's light, clean but the code it's kind of full of redundancies... For instance: home ser

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread David Dorward
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:25:42 -, Andrew Maben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps you could chip in on a debate I'm having with myself: Is a calendar tabular data? Every cell in a row represents a day in a week. Every cell in a column represents the same day of the week. Looks tabular to

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 22, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: It's similar to the fad from a couple of years ago for marking up calendars using floated s (or, possibly, s). Perhaps you could chip in on a debate I'm having with myself: Is a calendar tabular data? Andrew 109B SE 4th Av Gainesville F

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Barney Carroll
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would disagree with the statement "It is all semantics, and will be seen by most designers as fundamentally incorrect and misleading". I suspect the actual figure would be nearer 0.1% of designers, although most on this list would likely agree with the statement. Steve

[WSG] Rewriting site - help, please.

2007-02-22 Thread Andrew Maben
OK - time to take the plunge... I'm rewriting my site in what I hope is the 'right' way - semantic, standards-compliant, accessible. I've got a small problem on the home page: The bottom borders of the nav items don't show up in IE7 (and I don't have IE6). Any help with that (and any othe

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 22 Feb 2007, at 12:07:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A far bigger problem in my opinion is this recent fad for placing tabular data in definition lists. Where did that come from? The result really is incomprehensible because even the best screen readers can make little sense of the resultin

Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

2007-02-22 Thread Charles Eaton
On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:28 AM, David Dorward wrote: Invisible text is hard to read against any background colour, and you can't depend on images being loaded. This thread started because of issues with alt text on image maps not showing up when images weren't there. ... that will teach me

[WSG] Internationalization for hindi (data getting corrupted while sendng from jsp to action)

2007-02-22 Thread Nisha Kumari
Hi All. I am trying to implement internationalization for my site. But when I am trying to enter some Hindi text in a text box (struts html:text) the value I m getting in my action is not expected one. Getting some corrupted value rather than Hindi entered text. I have set charset to utf-8 in the

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Designer wrote: It seems to me that pragmatism can sometimes outbenefit the religion of standards - and I'd really like some real world feedback on when such a table approach causes real problems. (Yes, I know it's not truly semantic, and I agree that it's a problem because of that). If web

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread stevegreen
Barney is right about screen readers and tables. The behaviour varies insofar as some screen readers (such as Fire Vox) announce the presence of all the tables, some don't announce them at all and some (such as JAWS) announce some tables and not others. I am not sure how it decides which it does an

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Barney Carroll
Bob, As long as you have an audio-only disclaimer just before stating "The following object does not contain tabular data". Otherwise screen readers (supposedly) and standardist developers browsing your site in view-source mode (as one does) will get halfway through the content of your first

[WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-22 Thread Designer
Following on from recent conversations about floats etc, we can summarise by saying that we can have three basic choices: 1. #grid {display : table} #colalpha { width : 58%; padding-right :20px; display : table-cell; } #colbeta { width : 38%; b