Quite a few people at perl mongers asked me about Perl training. Those
interested, please check out the following page, and please keep
replies offlist: http://www.iterative-software.com/training/
Cheers, Leon
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Can you do another Perl course, please?
CHOPS programming:
What's in the box?
This two day course is aimed at l4me to virtually pubescent Perl
programmers. We aim to give students the underpinning knowledge and skills
required for them to make a
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Matthew Jones wrote:
http://www.iterative-software.com/training/
Can you do another Perl course, please?
CHOPS programming:
Please dont do that while I'm eating crisps again - I nearly ashpyxiated
:)
/J\
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:00:54PM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
What's in the box?
...
NOTHING!
STPPPIDD!
Youre so STUUUPPIID!
Martin
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:21:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
STPPPIDD!
OoOoOoh, Red Snapper! Very tasty!
/obscure_quoting
~C.
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On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:27:20PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
OoOoOoh, Red Snapper! Very tasty!
/obscure_quoting
Heh. It's *so* good, and has even managed to remain obscure. This is
probably because you can't get it anywhere any more, of course...
Martin
Chris Ball wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:21:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
STPPPIDD!
OoOoOoh, Red Snapper! Very tasty!
/obscure_quoting
UHF++
Ghandi II - No more Mister Passive Resistance, Spatula City, Conan the
Librarian (Donch yew
/obscure_quoting
Heh. It's *so* good, and has even managed to remain obscure. This is
probably because you can't get it anywhere any more, of course...
its rumoured to be released on dvd at the end of the year. one of my
favorite films ever... badgers? we dont need no stinking badgers!
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Chris Ball wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:21:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
STPPPIDD!
OoOoOoh, Red Snapper! Very tasty!
/obscure_quoting
Wheel of Fish!
/J\
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:50:27PM +0100, duncan wrote:
its rumoured to be released on dvd at the end of the year. one of my
favorite films ever... badgers? we dont need no stinking badgers!
*Show Me This Rumour*
I have still not seen the bits cut out of the Conan the Librarian scene.
*Show Me This Rumour*
http://members.aol.com/allthngynk/uhf10th/dvd.htm
my bad, 2002 ratherthan 2001. *grin*
duncan
On May 14, Martin Ling wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:27:20PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
OoOoOoh, Red Snapper! Very tasty!
/obscure_quoting
Heh. It's *so* good, and has even managed to remain obscure. This is
probably because you can't get it anywhere any more, of course...
It
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:27:20PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
OoOoOoh, Red Snapper! Very tasty!
/obscure_quoting
Heh. It's *so* good, and has even managed to remain obscure. This is
probably because you can't get it anywhere any more, of
Mark Fowler wrote:
b) This is how to get objects from CPAN, these are a few
critical classes that you need to know about. E.g. this
is Data::Dumper, it's fscking useful. LWP::Simple is
your friend. Etc, etc. Something of a quick tour.
LWP::Simple is a good example, since if
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Philip Newton wrote:
(Don't know whether CPAN.pm knows this for you. It may.)
Yes, it does.
MBM
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Knebel's Law: It is
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:09:19AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
Let me explain the set-up. I have a PC running Win95.
OK, so the contract market's gone to the dogs.
Paul
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, you wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:37:13PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, but I have to disagree. Firstly, I don't see how a debugger
(visual or not) is much use with the 2 cases you cited. For memory
leaks there are specialised tools like Purify
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:37:13PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(BTW does anyone know of any open source memory leak detection
tools?)
GNU checker is surprisingly good. Unfortunately, I'm in offline mode
right now and can't find a URL. It's gccchecker in Debian.
--
It's 106 miles from
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:18:05 +, celia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David H. Adler wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote:
/ me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :)
But... why??
Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote:
And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be
free).
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please.
Yeah.
On 2001, Mar, 22, Thu, Cross, Dave wrote:
Now with added pointy and clickyness.
Now with added Ludditeness.
Dave.
Luddite n 1 : any opponent of technological progress [syn: {Luddite}]
2: one of the 19th century English workman who destroyed labor-saving
machinery that they thought would
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote:
And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be
free).
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
Oh, it's not me - it's the environment I'm currently working in.
Dave...
[not a Luddite]
I can vouch for that REALLY bad environment!!
Andy
[Not a Luddite either]
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:45:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please.
Yeah. Now use that when you only have telnet access to your development
system :-/
Not even an ssh connection?
Now with added pointy
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with
judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978
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use POSIX;e(1);sub
At 22 Mar 2001 09:02:31 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote:
And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens
From: "Simon Cozens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 March 2001 10:33
Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
The most effective debugging tool is sti
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:09:19AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
Not sure they can even spell 'ssh' here :)
Let me explain the set-up. I have a PC running Win95. I access a number
of IBM AIX machines using putty. When I first joined, I asked about the
possibility of getting Exceed installed, but
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:
/ me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :)
But... why??
Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this list? The answer to
both is that I'll only post if I have something useful to contribute, and
seeing as I'm new to
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:36:01AM +, Dean wrote:
Wait till Activestate get their IDE's out for Linux
It's already out, I thought. Needs Perl and Python and all sorts of bits and
pieces installed.
--
People who love sausages, respect the law, and work with IT standards
shouldn't watch
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:
The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with
judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978
Still my debugger of choice for most languages, my code is littered with
commented debug print statements.
well .. yes .. and no
From: "Robin Szemeti" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 March 2001 12:03
Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:
The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled
with
judiciously placed print statements. -Kerni
From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me
that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great
when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small
projects...
But what about those times where you are handed a folder
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:55:49PM -, Hamlet D'Arcy wrote:
From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me
that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great
when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:45:20PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
[1]slight simplifiction, but pretty much true, if there are any other SAP
people here :-)
/me just manages to resist going on and on about SAP's debugger
dj
"eee, it was much better in the 80s"
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:03:02PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
But debugging tools can be very very good .. If anyone has used the Borland
Turbo Debugger for C / C++ you'll know what I mean . even the old DOS
version is just plain brilliant .. step around code, change registers, place
watches
At Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:19:57 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K.
To be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I
suggested asking you lot.
We've been looking through a Learning Tree
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
On 2001, 21, Mar, Wed Stevens, Michael wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:19:57PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K.
Wasn't there some kerazy scheme to get london.pm doing courses?
Sorry
Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is what I think they would need to learn:
a) Get hit over the head a bit with my, local, strict, good programming
practices. Maybe a quick refresher on how arrays, hashes and suchlike
really work. (In terms of passing between
On 21 Mar 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
d) Debugging
Amen
MBM
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perl
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:31:06PM -, Matthew Jones wrote:
What do you need? If you can get three or four people interested in
doing the same course and can supply a suitable room, then Iterative
would be only too happy to help you out.
I'm interested if there are courses on offer.
I'm interested if there are courses on offer. There's only so much
you can do with just yourself and a pile of O'Reilly books.
I'd love to help, but we're not in a position to offer public courses
yet - the cost of hiring rooms and PCs is too prohibitive.
Who said anything about doing
On 2001, 21, Mar, Wed, Cross, Dave wrote:
At Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:19:57 + (GMT), Mark Fowler wrote:
One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the
U.K.
As far as I can see, none of the scheduled courses in the UK are
much cop.
What do you need
I'm interested if there are courses on offer. There's only
so much you can do with just yourself and a pile of O'Reilly books.
The mind boggles ;)
No, not the *mind*! ;)
Oh, I forgot to mention the Prairie Squid (de-beaked, of course).
--
matt
"'scuse me trooper, will you be needing
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:19:57PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. To
be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I
suggested asking you lot.
NetThink will be running some courses soon. Don't want
I know you said this:
Mark Fowler wrote:
I'd like a course to make *sure* they do
but courses aside, books are still good. In particular, the Andrew L Johnson
book ("Elements of Programming with Perl", as rec'd by davorg) is really
handy when it comes to being:
a) [...] hit over the head a
Mark Fowler wrote:
One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. To
be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I
suggested asking you lot.
The London Open Source Convention will have Perl tutorials. If only I could
say precisely when it would
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:15:17AM -, Dean S Wilson wrote:
Anyone submitting anything for this?
http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2001/
Yup, I've been approached for some tutorials for that.
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Palpatine seeing a post
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote:
/ me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :)
But... why??
dha
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David H. Adler wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote:
/ me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :)
But... why??
Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this list? The answer to
both is that I'll only post if I have something useful
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