Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Nov 24, 2012, at 22:43 , David H. Adler wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:25:33PM +, Dave Cross wrote: >> Quoting Guinevere Nell : >> >>> On that subject, I recall that search.cpan.org sucked at the start and I'm >>> not sure who fixed it (the search) and who maintained CPAN (and it's

Re: 25 Years of Perl

> "Uri" == Uri Guttman writes: Uri> TAP is used everywhere now. perl invented and spread it so it is universal in Uri> the perl world. Uri> cpan is always being copied (poorly) by other langs. they just never get the Uri> community feeling of uploading to cpan as a cred and for sharing. U

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 11/23/2012 02:43 AM, Andrew Savige wrote: > >> Live Perl Golf Apocalypse 2000 at TPC 4, aka uri's triumph. > > > wow. that was a painful event. saved by damian's fill in talk and forgiven > by gnat. it was a team failure, so i can't take al

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:25:33PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > Quoting Guinevere Nell : > > >On that subject, I recall that search.cpan.org sucked at the start and I'm > >not sure who fixed it (the search) and who maintained CPAN (and it's > >accumulating wonderful -- and sometimes silly -- modules

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 01:19:22PM +0100, Abigail wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:09:36PM +, Guinevere Nell wrote: > > On that subject, I recall that search.cpan.org sucked at the start and I'm > > not sure who fixed it (the search) and who maintained CPAN (and it's > > accumulating wonderf

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:16:04PM +, Guinevere Nell wrote: > I was looking for Cogent (David Hand)'s module that allowed you to write > Perl in Latin in Klingon that parsed Javascript, I think? But all I found > was Conway's > Latin

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, James Laver wrote: On 24 Nov 2012, at 00:36, Uri Guttman wrote: TAP is used everywhere now. perl invented and spread it so it is universal in the perl world. TAP can be used certainly, but most languages have their own testing infrastructure. Most of it is pretty crap

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 07:36:23PM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote: > this thread reminds me of something we need to crow about more. so many > conventions, inventions, ideas have come from the perl community and > then be copied/stolen/absorbed by other langs, usually without much > recognition. th

Re: 25 Years of Perl

I'd agree with you on python but I can say the Ruby community is packed full of nutballs and is very entertaining. Probably not too surprising considering ruby's perlish origins. So perhaps chalk that up to perl too ;) Written on my phone On Nov 23, 2012 6:57 PM, "Uri Guttman" wrote: > On 11/23

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/23/2012 08:30 PM, James Laver wrote: On 24 Nov 2012, at 00:36, Uri Guttman wrote: yapc has yet to be properly copied. no one else delivers more bang for the buck and fun as well. mjd invented lightning talks and they are at many confs now, not just lang ones. another perl invention w

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 24 Nov 2012, at 00:36, Uri Guttman wrote: > this thread reminds me of something we need to crow about more. so many > conventions, inventions, ideas have come from the perl community and then be > copied/stolen/absorbed by other langs, usually without much recognition. We do of course do th

Re: 25 Years of Perl

this thread reminds me of something we need to crow about more. so many conventions, inventions, ideas have come from the perl community and then be copied/stolen/absorbed by other langs, usually without much recognition. the most obvious is regexes with the pcre package everyone seems to use b

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Paul Makepeace wrote: > And some history on what happened, > http://computer-programming-forum.com/53-perl/94afef039a9112e6.htm Wow, forum posts from 1902.

Re: 25 Years of Perl

I was looking for Cogent (David Hand)'s module that allowed you to write Perl in Latin in Klingon that parsed Javascript, I think? But all I found was Conway's Latin& Klingon

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Annoyingly I'm not going to be able to go to LPW tomorrow now (post-op dog needs looking after rather more than was anticipated) but one thing that's not been mentioned is the evolution of the Perl testing framework. Test.pm pre-dates Beck's seminal SUnit, and Perl folk caught the testing bug mu

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/23/2012 02:43 AM, Andrew Savige wrote: Damian's Coy module 1999 and subsequent explosion of interest in haiku. one of my favorite damian stories is about his talk on coy.pm. this was early damian and tpc didn't schedule him more time or a large enough room. he was given back to back 3

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/23/2012 02:43 AM, Andrew Savige wrote: Live Perl Golf Apocalypse 2000 at TPC 4, aka uri's triumph. wow. that was a painful event. saved by damian's fill in talk and forgiven by gnat. it was a team failure, so i can't take all the credit. iirc nfs didn't work well on the donated boxes o

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Though there doubtless isn't time for a deatiled history of the lighter side of Perl culture, for completeness, in addition to Acme modules, we have: JAPH, Obfu, Golf, Poetry, April Fools. Some highlights: JAPH: First JAPH by merlyn 1988, followed later by trickier ones. Abigail's later populari

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Sam Kington wrote: > Some mention should be made also of the attempt to rewrite the entire Unix > support structure in Perl - things like ls, find, head etc. I don't think > this ever went very far, and it appears to be very difficult to Google if > it's still aro

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 20 Nov 2012, at 16:09, Dave Cross wrote: [regarding matt's scripts] > If anyone is unaware of the London Perl Mongers' reaction to Matt's scripts, > you should probably read http://www.scriptarchive.com/nms.html Some mention should be made also of the attempt to rewrite the entire Unix supp

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/22/2012 12:17 PM, Abigail wrote: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:57:52AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote: the first yapc in pitt/cmu run by lenzo was in the red. during the banquet we passed around a (real) hat). we collected over $2k to cover the shortage. Actually, the collection was during Kevi

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:57:52AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote: > > the first yapc in pitt/cmu run by lenzo was in the red. during the > banquet we passed around a (real) hat). we collected over $2k to cover > the shortage. Actually, the collection was during Kevins closing remarks. The $2k was

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/22/2012 07:19 AM, Abigail wrote: I do remember Kevin giving us a tour of CMU, which included the location of the box that was running purl. This was during one of the first YAPCs, so indeed no later than 19100. A community thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: conference auctions. (Isn't

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 22 Nov 2012, at 12:19, Abigail wrote: > A community thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: conference auctions. > (Isn't London.pm still "suffering" from the outcome of an auction in 2001?) I consider it an interesting quirk. Interestingly the PHP and python meetups in london all pick the fir

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Guinevere Nell : On that subject, I recall that search.cpan.org sucked at the start and I'm not sure who fixed it (the search) and who maintained CPAN (and it's accumulating wonderful -- and sometimes silly -- modules) but yeah it's the heart of most development ... That's a good point

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:09:36PM +, Guinevere Nell wrote: > On that subject, I recall that search.cpan.org sucked at the start and I'm > not sure who fixed it (the search) and who maintained CPAN (and it's > accumulating wonderful -- and sometimes silly -- modules) but yeah it's the > heart o

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On that subject, I recall that search.cpan.org sucked at the start and I'm not sure who fixed it (the search) and who maintained CPAN (and it's accumulating wonderful -- and sometimes silly -- modules) but yeah it's the heart of most development ... on the irc topic, will you be mentioning purl? I

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Matt Freake : 1/ Technical What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other technical things that need to be covered? Has the CPAN shell always been there? Discovering that made me li

Re: 25 Years of Perl

> > 1/ Technical > > What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which > Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other > technical things that need to be covered? > Has the CPAN shell always been there? Discovering that made me life a lot easier

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl" Twenty five years is a long time, so inevitably some Perl hackers have passed away during that period:  Iain Truskett (aka "Spoon"/&quo

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:09:32PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > Quoting Simon Dick : > > >On 20 November 2012 15:45, Uri Guttman wrote: > > [ snip ] > > >>in that vein you should also mention matt's scripts. evil code but they > >>helped perl gain massive numbers of users. many were kiddies but

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:55:43AM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > > >Conferences that need mentioning: TPC, German Perl Workshop (first Perl > >conference outside of TPC), YAPC, OSCON. And, considering where > >you're going to give the presentation: LPW. 2000 may be an interesting > >year: at YAPC::N

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 21/11/12 11:47, Roger Burton West wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:40:26AM +, Dirk Koopman wrote: On 21/11/12 09:45, David H. Adler wrote: And here's one from 8 years ago. http://www.panix.com/~dha/test/pix/IMG_2749.JPG It is important and/or enlightening to wonder why most of you are

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:40:26AM +, Dirk Koopman wrote: >On 21/11/12 09:45, David H. Adler wrote: >>And here's one from 8 years ago. >>http://www.panix.com/~dha/test/pix/IMG_2749.JPG >It is important and/or enlightening to wonder why most of you are >wearing pixie style tinfoil hats? Are the

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 21/11/12 09:45, David H. Adler wrote: Here is a photo of #perl users from 13 years ago! http://photography.mengwong.com/yapc1999/group-1.html And here's one from 8 years ago. http://www.panix.com/~dha/test/pix/IMG_2749.JPG It is important and/or enlightening to wonder why most of you ar

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:31:48AM +0100, Abigail wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:50:34AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:27:09AM +0100, Abigail wrote: > > > > > > I started using Perl in 1995, when the main focus on the community was > > > on Usenet. At that time,

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:36:57AM +, Dave Cross wrote: > Similar photo from YAPC 2000 in London > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/gmccarroll/49476450/ I was looking at this and going "wait, I know I was there..." Then I realized I still had some hair then... :-/ dha -- David H. Adler -

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:15:44AM +, Peter Sergeant wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Dave Cross wrote: > > > Finding it harder to trace the history of #perl though. Can anyone help > > out there? Even if it's just an idea of when it first started. > > > > Oh, and when was irc.perl.o

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Peter Sergeant : Here is a photo of #perl users from 13 years ago! http://photography.mengwong.com/yapc1999/group-1.html Similar photo from YAPC 2000 in London http://www.flickr.com/photos/gmccarroll/49476450/ DAve...

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:50:34AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:27:09AM +0100, Abigail wrote: > > > > I started using Perl in 1995, when the main focus on the community was > > on Usenet. At that time, it was just comp.lang.perl; the split into > > multiple groups was

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Dave Cross wrote: > Finding it harder to trace the history of #perl though. Can anyone help > out there? Even if it's just an idea of when it first started. > > Oh, and when was irc.perl.org set up? > EFnet #perl was the 'original' Perl IRC channel - I'm sure Ran

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:27:09AM +0100, Abigail wrote: > > I started using Perl in 1995, when the main focus on the community was > on Usenet. At that time, it was just comp.lang.perl; the split into > multiple groups was either late 1995, or early 1996. I first joined a > Perl IRC channel in 1

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:46:30AM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > Finding it harder to trace the history of #perl though. Can anyone > help out there? Even if it's just an idea of when it first started. I'm thinking Kevin Lenzo would have a good idea. > Oh, and when was irc.perl.org set up? I'm g

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 20/11/12 21:17, Randy J. Ray wrote: On 11/20/12 1:10 PM, Dirk Koopman wrote: On 20/11/12 20:42, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: As did PHP. And the rest is history. Speaking of which, is it just a folk memory that suggests that the first 'P' in PHP once stood for "perl"? I thought, for the lon

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 21/11/2012, at 8:29 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 11/20/2012 04:17 PM, Randy J. Ray wrote: >> On 11/20/12 1:10 PM, Dirk Koopman wrote: >>> On 20/11/12 20:42, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: As did PHP. And the rest is history. >>> >>> Speaking of which, is it just a folk memory that sug

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 21/11/2012, at 8:17 AM, Randy J. Ray wrote: > On 11/20/12 1:10 PM, Dirk Koopman wrote: >> On 20/11/12 20:42, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: >>> >>> As did PHP. And the rest is history. >>> >> >> Speaking of which, is it just a folk memory that suggests that the first >> 'P' in PHP once stood for

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/20/2012 04:17 PM, Randy J. Ray wrote: On 11/20/12 1:10 PM, Dirk Koopman wrote: On 20/11/12 20:42, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: As did PHP. And the rest is history. Speaking of which, is it just a folk memory that suggests that the first 'P' in PHP once stood for "perl"? I thought, for th

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/20/12 1:10 PM, Dirk Koopman wrote: On 20/11/12 20:42, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: As did PHP. And the rest is history. Speaking of which, is it just a folk memory that suggests that the first 'P' in PHP once stood for "perl"? I thought, for the longest time, that "PHP" had originally bee

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 20/11/12 20:42, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: As did PHP. And the rest is history. Speaking of which, is it just a folk memory that suggests that the first 'P' in PHP once stood for "perl"?

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 20 Nov 2012, at 16:30, Abigail wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:22:14AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote: >> On 11/20/2012 11:00 AM, Dave Cross wrote: >>> Quoting Uri Guttman : >>> in that vein you should also mention matt's scripts. evil code but they helped perl gain massive numbers o

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Not sure if they would fit on the same league of DBI and TT, but to me LWP and WWW::Mechanize are also true PERL gems. > On 19/11/2012 17:29, Dave Cross wrote: >> What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? >> Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Ar

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 20 Nov 2012, at 13:37, Dave Cross wrote: [...] > That davorg chap is awesome :-) We've all known this for years, but didn't want to flatter your ego too much by saying so :)

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Matt Freake writes: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Dave Cross wrote: > >> >> Yeah. Got TT and Mason on my list. Was Embperl ever really important. I >> know I have a strong aversion to it (and I think you might also have the >> same aversion - engendered by the same project). >> >> > That pr

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Abigail : On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:22:14AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote: On 11/20/2012 11:00 AM, Dave Cross wrote: Quoting Uri Guttman : in that vein you should also mention matt's scripts. evil code but they helped perl gain massive numbers of users. many were kiddies but some actuall

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Uri Guttman : On 11/20/2012 11:00 AM, Dave Cross wrote: Quoting Uri Guttman : in that vein you should also mention matt's scripts. evil code but they helped perl gain massive numbers of users. many were kiddies but some actually learned perl. Yes. I'm well aware of the effects of Ma

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:22:14AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 11/20/2012 11:00 AM, Dave Cross wrote: >> Quoting Uri Guttman : >> >>> in that vein you should also mention matt's scripts. evil code but >>> they helped perl gain massive numbers of users. many were kiddies but >>> some actually lea

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/20/2012 11:00 AM, Dave Cross wrote: Quoting Uri Guttman : in that vein you should also mention matt's scripts. evil code but they helped perl gain massive numbers of users. many were kiddies but some actually learned perl. Yes. I'm well aware of the effects of Matt's scripts. In fact I

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Dave Cross said: What parts of Perl's history do you think are important. I'm particularly interested in two areas. 1/ Technical 2/ Community FWIW, I think the decision to start with time-based releases of Perl5 was a good one, and probably worth mentioning. Not sure if that should be fi

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Simon Dick : On 20 November 2012 15:45, Uri Guttman wrote: [ snip ] in that vein you should also mention matt's scripts. evil code but they helped perl gain massive numbers of users. many were kiddies but some actually learned perl. Especially FormMail.pl... I remember that one we

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Uri Guttman : in that vein you should also mention matt's scripts. evil code but they helped perl gain massive numbers of users. many were kiddies but some actually learned perl. Yes. I'm well aware of the effects of Matt's scripts. In fact I think I may have already mentioned tha

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 20 November 2012 15:45, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 11/20/2012 04:44 AM, Dave Cross wrote: > >> Quoting "Randy J. Ray" : >> >> 1/ Technical What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there >>>

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/20/2012 04:44 AM, Dave Cross wrote: Quoting "Randy J. Ray" : 1/ Technical What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other technical things that need to be covered? I'd be sure to mentio

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:10:42AM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > "Andrew" == Andrew Savige writes: > > Andrew> An amusing anecdote from the very early days that illustrates how > Andrew> Perl attracted some of its early users is that merlyn relentlessly > Andrew> answered requests for

Re: 25 Years of Perl

> "Andrew" == Andrew Savige writes: Andrew> An amusing anecdote from the very early days that illustrates how Andrew> Perl attracted some of its early users is that merlyn relentlessly Andrew> answered requests for Unix sed, awk, and shell help with snippets Andrew> of *Perl* code. Indeed, he

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting "David H. Adler" : On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: 2/ Community What community initiatives should I cover? Can I mention TPI without giving some people nightmares? How much detail can I cover about Perl Mongers? Which conferences deserve a mention? Does any

RE: 25 Years of Perl

> >Was Embperl ever really important. > > I know I have a strong aversion to it (and I think you might also > have > > the same aversion - engendered by the same project). > > > > > That project was the only one where I used a "proper" templating > system, so I felt obliged to mention it :-) I di

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:09:34PM +, James Laver wrote: > We take it so much for granted that you could connect to any number of > different database engines with the same perl binary these days, or with any > other programming language too, but really perl led the world here. This was > q

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Andrew Savige : On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl" Great idea. An amusing anecdote from the very early days that illustrates how Perl attracted some of its early users

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 20 Nov 2012, at 09:09, Jacqui Caren wrote: > I know Tim will not blow his own trumpet but ... > One of the biggies was and is DBI. We take it so much for granted that you could connect to any number of different database engines with the same perl binary these days, or with any other progra

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl" Great idea. An amusing anecdote from the very early days that illustrates how Perl attracted some of its early users is that merlyn relentlessly

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Dave Cross wrote: > > Yeah. Got TT and Mason on my list. Was Embperl ever really important. I > know I have a strong aversion to it (and I think you might also have the > same aversion - engendered by the same project). > > That project was the only one where I us

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Abigail : On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl". I have the structure of the talk, and I have worked out most of the things that I want to cover. But I wanted to make sure tha

Re: 25 Years of Perl

e. On 20 November 2012 10:27, Abigail wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl". > > > > I have the structure of the talk, and I have worked out most of the &g

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Dave Cross wrote: > Quoting Chris Benson : >> Back before there were modules: the earliest version I used (3.something) >> came with *2p utilities that were useful in their own right and enabled >> bootstrapping knowledge from find, sed and especially in my case awk: > > Weren't those utilities on

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl". > > I have the structure of the talk, and I have worked out most of the > things that I want to cover. But I wanted to make sure that

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Matt Freake : On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Dave Cross wrote: What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other technical things that need to be covered? Templating modules (embper

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Jacqui Caren : On 19/11/2012 17:29, Dave Cross wrote: What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other technical things that need to be covered? I know Tim will not blow his own trumpet

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting "David H. Adler" : On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl". I have the structure of the talk, and I have worked out most of the things that I want to cover. But I wanted t

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting Chris Benson : On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: 1/ Technical What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other technical things that need to be covered? Back

Re: 25 Years of Perl

Quoting "Randy J. Ray" : 1/ Technical What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other technical things that need to be covered? I'd be sure to mention the strong role Perl played in the emerge

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Dave Cross wrote: > > > What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which > Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other > technical things that need to be covered? > Templating modules (embperl, Template Toolk

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 19/11/2012 17:29, Dave Cross wrote: What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other technical things that need to be covered? I know Tim will not blow his own trumpet but ... One of the biggi

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:12:46PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl". > > > > I have the structure of the talk, and I have work

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On 11/20/2012 04:57 AM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM, David H. Adler wrote: If memory serves, YAS didn't "become" TPF. They were separate entities, as was Perl Mongers. At a certain point, Kevin decided he didn't want to run YAS anymore and brian decided not

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM, David H. Adler wrote: > > If memory serves, YAS didn't "become" TPF. They were separate entities, > as was Perl Mongers. At a certain point, Kevin decided he didn't want to > run YAS anymore and brian decided not to run Perl Mongers anymore TPF also borged perlmon

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl". > > I have the structure of the talk, and I have worked out most of the > things that I want to cover. But I wanted to make sure th

Re: 25 Years of Perl

> "Chris" == Chris Benson writes: Chris> I think the early days of comp.lang.perl (before the split) with informed, Chris> entertaining & helpful commentary from some of stalwarts was also key Chris> in the rise of Perl. I believe there was also a perl mailing list before that. -- Randal

Re: 25 Years of Perl

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:29:29PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > 1/ Technical > > What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? > Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are > there any other technical things that need to be covered? Back before there we

Re: 25 Years of Perl

1/ Technical What CPAN modules deserve to be mentioned as part of Perl's history? Which Perl infrastructure projects are (or were) important? Are there any other technical things that need to be covered? I'd be sure to mention the strong role Perl played in the emergence of CGI applications--

25 Years of Perl

At the LPW on Saturday I'm giving a talk entitled "25 Years of Perl". I have the structure of the talk, and I have worked out most of the things that I want to cover. But I wanted to make sure that I didn't miss anything important. So I thought I'd turn to the