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Please republish the draft as draft-ietf-lsr-isis-ttz-00.txt with experimental
status.
Acee and Chris
From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)"
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 10:17 AM
To: "lsr@ietf.org"
Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-T
Ginsberg ;
lsr@ietf.org ; Acee Lindem (acee)
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Hi Huaimo,
> Users can define a zone (a block of an area) and the zone can be any block of
> the area that users decide. Thus,
(acee)
; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
; lsr@ietf.org; Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
; Huaimo Chen
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
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Yup, that can be done. But I see steps s
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; Huaimo Chen
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Since careful planning and design is required to split a L1 Area into L1a L1b
using TTZ as this is a major effort to plan out. It maybe easier as part of
the plann
Hi Huaimo,
> > Users can define a zone (a block of an area) and the zone can be any
> block of the area that users decide. Thus, using TTZ seems simpler than
> using Areas for scalability. It uses less planning effort and less
> configurations.
>
>
Q1 - Can zones overlap ? IE. can any node be in
ber 2, 2020 11:02 AM
To: Tony Li
Cc: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) ; Les Ginsberg
(ginsberg) ; Les Ginsberg
; Huaimo Chen ; lsr@ietf.org
; Acee Lindem (acee)
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
> - The transition mec
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Hi Xuesong,
Apologies first if I have missed
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption
> - The transition mechanisms
Hmmm maybe I missed some explanations by authors, but to me concept of
zones is positioned as an addition to the concept of areas or levels - not
a replacement of those.
So when you say "transition" means that something existing no longer would
be in place after
Hi Xueson,
> My intension was not to talk about math/engineering/marketing or compare the
> size of marketing department. Them are not relevant to this thread.
You are the one who suggested we leave it up to the market…
> I want to make clear about IETF process. In my understanding the
st sight, but at this stage, has turned
>> out to be a question with no right answer and may bring endless argument.
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> *To:* Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
> *Cc:* Huaimo Chen ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
> ; Les Ginsberg ;
> Acee Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org
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> *Cc:* Les Ginsberg ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
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> *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll fo
To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
Cc: Huaimo Chen ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
; Les Ginsberg ; Acee
Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Hi Xuesong,
Apologies first if I have missed a
Hi Chairs and the WG,
I support the adoption of this document.
Cheers,
Tianran
From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:17 PM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
Hi Huaimo,
> It seems that splitting L1 area A1 into two L1 areas A11 and A12 cannot
> be automated without people's planning. Some people need to spend their time
> in deciding where is the boundary between the two areas and selecting a
> router in the backbone domain for Attach bit for
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Hi Huaimo,
Assume that a big L1 area (say Area A1) is connected to backbone domain.
Let us compare TTZ and Areas for scalability.
Using TTZ, we need two s
11:18 AM
To: Huaimo Chen
Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Les Ginsberg
(ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org ; Acee Lindem
(acee)
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
[HC]: IS-IS TTZ or say Zone is one of a few drafts which
Hi Huaimo,
> Assume that a big L1 area (say Area A1) is connected to backbone domain.
> Let us compare TTZ and Areas for scalability.
>
> Using TTZ, we need two steps below:
> 1) configure a piece of Area A1, named P1, as a zone; and
> 2) transfer P1 to a virtual node using
Hi Xuesong,
> Apologies first if I have missed any history of this discussion. But I’m not
> sure that we have to evaluate whether a method is “optimal” before WG
> adoption. Why not adopt some alternative solutions and leave the choice to
> industry/market?
First off, this is engineering,
(ginsberg)
; Acee Lindem (acee)
; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Hi Huaimo,
> The question I and others have asked is “what can we do with zones that
> cannot be done with areas?”.
...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 11:02 PM
To: Huaimo Chen
Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Les Ginsberg
; lsr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee)
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
>
> [HC]: IS-IS TTZ or say Zone is one of a few drafts which
> experiment/explore new ways for scalability. These new ways may be simpler
> and have some other features.
>
While Tony very well explained the "may" part let me ask the "simpler"
part.
Simpler then what ?
Simpler when combined
Hi Huaimo,
> > The question I and others have asked is “what can we do with zones that
> > cannot be done with areas?”.
> [HC]: IS-IS TTZ or say Zone is one of a few drafts which
> experiment/explore new ways for scalability. These new ways may be simpler
> and have some other features.
egards,
Huaimo
From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 6:52 PM
To: Huaimo Chen ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
; Acee Lindem (acee)
; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen
for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
I object the introduction of a new major concept, called "zone".
It adds nothing to solve problems we can not already solve.
It just adds unnecessary complexity and technical debt.
(12) In protocol design, perfection has b
I support the adoption of this document.
Best regards,
Jie
From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:17 PM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-
Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list regarding
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough differences with
draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03 and in the
题：[Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list regarding
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough differences with
draft-ietf-lsr-is
IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
I support the adoption.
This protocol can ease the deployment overhead.
Thanks,
Reta
From: Lsr on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:16 PM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr]
Support WG adoption.
Thanks,
Zhibo Hu
From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:17 PM
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Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the d
Support.
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> Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list
> regarding draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough
> differences with draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03 and in the
Support WG adoption.
Thanks,
- Xufeng
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> Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list
> regarding draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough
> differences with
Support the WG Adoption.
Linda Dunbar
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Support.
Thanks,
Yanhe
From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
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To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on t
;IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone"
- draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list
regarding draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough
differences with draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03 and in the community t
Hi All,
As Co-Author, I support working group adoption of this draft as
experimental.
With Regards
Anil S N
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> Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list
> regarding draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel
I support working group adoption of this draft as experimental.
Thanks,
Donald
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Support as a co-author.
Thanks,
Best regards,
Lei
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> Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list
> regarding draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough
> differences with
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Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list regarding
draft-chen-i
I Support the adoption for experimental track.
Haoyu
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I support the adoption.
-Kiran
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draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the la
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Dear WG,
The draft in questio
I object the introduction of a new major concept, called "zone".
It adds nothing to solve problems we can not already solve.
It just adds unnecessary complexity and technical debt.
(12) In protocol design, perfection has been reached not when there
is nothing left to add, but when there is
e)
> *Cc:* lsr@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent
> Zone" - draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
>
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> Dear WG,
>
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> The draft in question does not describe even a single practical use case.
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for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Dear WG,
The draft in question does not describe even a single practical use case.
While it describes the mechanics on how to construct the new model of the
abstraction it fails to prove we need it.
Not everything
0cisco.@dmarc.ietf.org>>
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Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the la
nsberg (ginsberg) ; Les Ginsberg
> (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee)
> ; lsr@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone"
> - draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
>
>
>
> Hi Les,
>
>
>
> > It is poss
reas isn't
helping you.
Les
From: Huaimo Chen
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 3:18 PM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
; Acee Lindem (acee)
; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Hi Les,
annot justify the need for zones on this basis.
Les
From: Lsr On Behalf Of Huaimo Chen
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:33 PM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem
(acee) ; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
dra
: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:33 PM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem
(acee) ; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Hi Les,
> I see no need for "abstraction at arbitrary boundaries"
TTZ.
Les
From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:17 AM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mail
Dear WG,
The draft in question does not describe even a single practical use case.
While it describes the mechanics on how to construct the new model of the
abstraction it fails to prove we need it.
Not everything which can be invented should be standardized or implemented
therefore until the
r-boun...@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Acee
Lindem (acee)
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Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the last meetin
@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list regarding
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough differences with
draft-ietf-lsr-isis-
I support WG adoption of draft-chen-isis-ttz as experimental.
Chris
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:17 AM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
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> Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list
> regarding draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough
> differences with
Support.
Best Regards,
Huaimo as a co-author
From: Lsr on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:16 AM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" -
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt
Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list regarding
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough differences with
draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03 and in the community to consider advancing it
independently on the experimental track.
These
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