Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread JEdwardsMusic
Hello to all, The rolling of chords does not necessarily jeopardize rhythm, even in dance pieces. I was thinking about this tonight while playing my restaurant gig, rolling chord after chord. :) If you have a strong sense of the pulse of a dance piece, you can do almost anything and

Re: Hinge bar

2004-10-31 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, For years I have thought of a hinge bar as the use of the top joint of the index finger (or sometimes second finger) to stop two or more inner courses (e.g. 2nd 3rd) whilst leaving the first string open - the finger is bent, hence the term hinge. Also, sometimes one has occasion to lift

Re: Scarlatti for 10-course lute

2004-10-31 Thread Mathias Rösel
Thomas Schall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Martin also has sent some music by S.L.Weiss set for 10-course renaissance lute. brilliant idea, I'd say. Make it accessible for the majority, finally. -- Best, Mathias Mathias Roesel, Grosze Annenstrasze 5, 28199 Bremen, Deutschland/

Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear James, I agree. Rolling chords does not necessarily jeopardise rhythm, but it doesn't usually help much. If you are playing in strict time, there is an exact moment when a chord should sound. If you roll a chord, some of the notes will not sound at that exact point, and so will, by

Re: Rolling Chords

2004-10-31 Thread Stephen Arndt
Dear Stewart, I am glad you have brought up again the subject of rolling chords. Several months ago, I asked when one should roll a chord, and the answers given favored either beginning or ending on the beat. What I meant by asking when to roll a chord, however, was how does one decide which

Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread Edward Martin
Hello, Martin. It was so good to meet you in Cleveland this summer. On this topic of rolling chords, especially 5-6 not chords, you gave an example of the opening chord of Lachrimae. Your point is well taken, that both the bass and treble notes are to be on the beat. Some people play the

rolled oats

2004-10-31 Thread bill kilpatrick
i think stewart is confusing me with another correspondent vis an opinion on rolling chords. i was angling more for the attention of any hapless volunteers out there who might wish to round out their tuscan experience by shoveling sheep guano under my olive trees (under the very same tuscan sun

Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Martin, This is the $64,000 question, isn't it. Rolling a chord means that each of the notes sounds at a slightly different time. Only one note of a rolled chord can be exactly in time, so which note should it be? The first, the last, or one of the middle notes? The Lachrimae version I

Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread Vance Wood
For what it's worth I look at a rolled chord in the same way I look at ornaments. An ornament is placed in strategic locations in a composition to accentuate the melodic line or rhythmic line. I have heard some players try to show off their virtuosity? by putting more ornaments in a piece than,

Meussel

2004-10-31 Thread Kevin Kishimoto
Hello, Does anyone know of a recording of the Meussel concerti (quartets) for flute (oboe), gamba, lute, and basso? Thanks. Kevin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Re: Meussel

2004-10-31 Thread Edward Martin
I doubt if there have been any such recordings. Too bad, as I think it would be most enlightening. ed At 11:35 AM 10/31/2004 -0800, Kevin Kishimoto wrote: Hello, Does anyone know of a recording of the Meussel concerti (quartets) for flute (oboe), gamba, lute, and basso? Thanks. Kevin

Re: Meussel

2004-10-31 Thread Thomas Schall
Hi, I just would have a (amateur) recording of our ensemble performing it a while ago. In any case the traverso player with whom we played is great. Best wishes Thomas Am Sonntag, 31. Oktober 2004 20:35 schrieb Kevin Kishimoto: Hello, Does anyone know of a recording of the Meussel

Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread Howard Posner
To roll or not to roll: If you roll all the time, rolling means nothing. If you're sparing about it, then the roll is a way of making a chord different in some way. Rolling is a way to 1) ornament, 2) accentuate a chord, 3) sustain sound, or 4) soften attack. Note that 2) and 4) are in some

Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread Howard Posner
Stewart McCoy wrote: the Italian word rubato means robbed or stolen. It's used in a musical context to mean robbing time, or taking time, in other words playing around with the rhythm (slowing down/ speeding up) with the aim of playing expressively. Musicians who play alone - guitarists,

Re: Meussel

2004-10-31 Thread Thomas Schall
I was a bit short in my last answer. Please excuse - I just returned from a recital. Maybe one of the reasons why Meussel's concerto isn't recorded yet is that the single parts doesn't match properly. I tried my best to bring them together (results on http://www.lautenist.de) which was the

Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread arckon
Slightly tangential to this thread: Thanks for the inducement to get out my trusty-but-dusty metronome and see how horrible my unconscious rubato has become. As an unenviably solitary player, I have no way to check myself without the ticker, and getting it out always produces a

Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread Vance Wood
The real problem is if this is not done correctly it is not at all musical but can in fact lead the audience to assume that the composition being played is in some areas beyond the abilities of the musician trying to perform it. I once heard a well known Lutenist play a Milano Fantasia,( #28

Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread JEdwardsMusic
In a message dated 10/31/2004 4:57:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However there is something to be said against the actual mechanical practice of being absolutely precise in every note. Specifically running passages. If all of this is played mechanically, and

Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread Howard Posner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to rubato, I have been taught, as Howard wrote, that it should be superimposed on a steady beat, robbing one beat to pay another, so to speak. Of course this may work well between a soloist and accompanist, but not among a larger group--could get a little muddy.

Re: Rubato and rolling chords

2004-10-31 Thread LGS-Europe
example of the opening chord of Lachrimae. Your point is well taken, that both the bass and treble notes are to be on the beat. Some people play the bass note on the beat, follow with the other notes. I like to play the first g-minor chord non-broken, and the second g-minor chord with

Re: Scarlatti for 10-course lute

2004-10-31 Thread LGS-Europe
Martin Junge has sent some new arrangements, this time 3 sonatas by Domenico Scarlatti for 10-course renaissance lute. Thank you! It was fun playing through. Just last week, when painting in my kitchen, I heard Scarlatti sonatas on the radio and I was contemplating arranging some for