[LUTE] Re: Straight Answer Please

2009-02-22 Thread David Rastall
On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Mathias Rösel wrote: > 42 >8) > > Mathias Thank you, Mathias. You're the only one who has given me what I requested: a straight numerical answer. Unfortunately, wrong question! ;-) Conclusion: it is easier on the lute list to get the answer to life, the un

[LUTE] Re: Straight Answer Please

2009-02-22 Thread howard posner
On Feb 22, 2009, at 9:11 AM, David Rastall wrote: > The current topic under discussion of "toy" theorbos has failed so > far to answer the one question without which there is no basis for > discussion at all, namely, what size does a theorbo have to be so > that it can no longer be called a "toy"

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Robert Clair
It is most likely a larger size shawm. Bass and larger 16th C recorders usually had a removable cap, often with a brass band on the end, similar to the ones on the fontanelle (the "pepper-pot" covering the little finger key). You would see this even if the instrument were turned so

[LUTE] Re: Straight Answer Please

2009-02-22 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Dear David, Sorry for writing without giving any numbers, but I thought all this toy theorbo discussion is pointless. There are just instruments of different sizes. Comparing to the flute familly, I wouldn't call piccolo flute a toy flute. Even the smallest instrument can be a concert instrumen

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Dear Anthony, There is a difference in using some dangerous metals for ordinary items and musical strings. With former your contact is limited (like a mirror - you rarely touch it). With later providing you play a lot, the skin contact is enormous. It's like smoking cigarets. You may or may no

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Guy Smith
I'd guess a great bass recorder, especially since there are other recorders in the pictures. It's not a bassoon or dulcian. Those have a U-shaped structure, and this looks like a single bore instrument. FWIW, the only extended tenor shawms I've seen (one of them in our loud band) use a slightly ben

[LUTE] Re: Staff notation software - views?

2009-02-22 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
All kinds, including g-to-g'' mandolino/mandola? Eugene - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:27 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Staff notation software - views? To: hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, LuteNet list > Harmony Assistant from Myriad is

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Lex van Sante
SOT Remember mercury was used in ancient times as a cure for syphillis? :-) I've never heard of it really being a true remedy though! Cheers! Lex van Sante Op 22 feb 2009, om 20:15 heeft alexander het volgende geschreven: Exactly the point. Had a discussion with Mimmo concerning this, the

[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted

2009-02-22 Thread Ron Fletcher
Well Leonard, I have had my lutes strung in nylgut since 2000. After the first two weeks of any new string I have fitted, they have been stable. All the elasticity has gone out of them and they are 'stretched-out'. They behave as any other music string, where the tautness defines the pitch. I u

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Jarosław Lipski
The basoon first appeared about 1650. But obviously it could be a bass or tenor as well. Jaroslaw - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Jarosław Lipski said: Dear Dana, The reproducti

[LUTE] Re: Straight Answer Please

2009-02-22 Thread Ron Fletcher
As I understand it. We have standard theorboes and we have toy theorboes. So if French poodles are anything to go by, there should also be miniature theorboes. I have waited two weeks for someone to ask this. Now who knows the centimetres to tell the difference? Best Wishes Ron (UK)

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Jaroslaw It is good to be discussing again with you. Le 22 févr. 09 à 18:16, Jarosław Lipski a écrit : Dear Anthony, I thought that lead is poisness, isn't it? Didn't they know about it? I am sure they knew it was poisonous to eat, but may not have realized it was dangerous as a dy

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Jarosław Lipski
So, we aren't HIP anymore, are we? At least I don't fancy.. :-( Jaroslaw - Original Message - From: "alexander" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre Exactly the point. Had a discussion with Mimmo concerning this, the color you

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread alexander
Exactly the point. Had a discussion with Mimmo concerning this, the color you see on the painting is the red lead oxide. The darker slightly brownish red - mercury oxide. Both are much easier to combine with gut or silk (and heavier by much, making for smaller diameters). As a matter of fact man

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread demery
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Jaros³aw Lipski said: > Dear Dana, > The reproduction doesn't show that detail particularly well because that > area is very dark, but as far as I can remember it from the museum, the book > stands on the table covered with some black fabric, and leaning against the > bas

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread demery
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009, Jarosław Lipski said: > Dear Anthony, > I thought that lead is poisness, isn't it? Didn't they know about it? No, well, some had clues, but noone knew as we do today. This is an era when mercury amalgams were used to plate with silver and gold; driing off the mercury usin

[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted

2009-02-22 Thread Stuart Walsh
Leonard Williams wrote: Stuart-- I problem I've found with nylgut is that it seems to remain elastic throughout its life. That is, if you should lose significant tension due to something like peg slippage, you'll be starting all over again in getting the string up to a stable pitch. One

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Dear Anthony, I thought that lead is poisness, isn't it? Didn't they know about it? The other basses are neither brown nor red. Maybe it's a matter of light, but they really look like copper wounds. If really loading not dyeing was involved maybe they had some local recepies giving in the end this

[LUTE] Straight Answer Please

2009-02-22 Thread David Rastall
The current topic under discussion of "toy" theorbos has failed so far to answer the one question without which there is no basis for discussion at all, namely, what size does a theorbo have to be so that it can no longer be called a "toy" theorbo? I request a straight answer, please: no letters

[LUTE] restringing a double course with a single string

2009-02-22 Thread Charles Browne
Dear All, what advice about string tension would you give,in general terms, to someone who wanted to replace a double course with a single string? A: for a course in unison - B: for a course in bass/octave tuning? thank you Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://w

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo sneezes

2009-02-22 Thread howard posner
On Feb 22, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > You say that Praetorius doesn't mention pitch (tho' many might > disagree with you) but then go on to relate your derived size of > 79cm to modern practice and thus draw insecure conclusions. My "conclusions" are not "insecure," but rather down

[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted

2009-02-22 Thread Leonard Williams
Stuart-- I problem I've found with nylgut is that it seems to remain elastic throughout its life. That is, if you should lose significant tension due to something like peg slippage, you'll be starting all over again in getting the string up to a stable pitch. One thing I like about gut is

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Dear Martyn, Yes, I agree it should be an ivory button. I thought of something else because the spot seems to be quite big (bigger than usualy buttons are) and it is placed further from the neck than normaly (my Haycock lute has a button about 2 mm from the neck). Also the loop seems to be too

[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted

2009-02-22 Thread Christopher Stetson
Hi, all, While I'm certainly not one of the string nerds, and I don't remember who gave that advice, I find that it's helpful, indeed necessitated, by the behavior of the strings, to follow that advice with any nylon strings. I frankly don't know how the new-strings-every-two-weeks classical gu

[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted

2009-02-22 Thread Anthony Hind
Stuart, you can find advice at Aquila FAQ; but I will copy the relevant texts. Anthony http://www.aquilacorde.com/faqi.htm FAQ Aquila 26) What is Nylgut and why is it white? "In theory a gut string and a Nylgut one should have the same diameter. But since nylgut is quite 'stretchy' we advi

[LUTE] nylglut strings advice wanted

2009-02-22 Thread Stuart Walsh
I'm about to try out some nylglut strings. I seem to remember someone saying that you should only get them partially in tension at first, then leave them for a while and then very slowly get them to pitch. Any advice? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.da

[LUTE] Theorbo sizes [was: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number]

2009-02-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Howard, Praetorius does indeed give a G theorbo tuning and depicts two theorboes: one with a fingered string length of around 89cm ('Lang: Romanische Theorba: Chitarron') and the other of 97cm ('Paduanische Theorba'). But to suppose he would have expected a theorbo in A (even i

[LUTE] tape/gut loop buttons in de la Hye painting

2009-02-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
--0-345006452-1235291295=:77846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Further to my last about this, here's the picture and one of the email communications from the 07s.   MH --- On Thu, 12/7/07, Martyn Hodgson wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson Sub

[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre

2009-02-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
The 'white spot' will be a small ivory button round which the holding gut or tape is looped. Incidentally, there's some doubt that the gut (or tape) fastened round a coat button: a contemporary engraving shows thin tapes (or ribbons) coming from the coat buttons (or cld be from insi

[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de Mezangeau

2009-02-22 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Feb 22, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: >> I think this piece is in Saizenay... > > As it seems for the CNRS concordance list > it is in not in Saiz. but in "Livre de Tablature... > which version they print. > So if you have a special doubt, just ask.. My doubts are not special. :-)