[BAROQUE-LUTE] String tensions etc. in d-m-lutes, esp. 11c.?

2009-11-30 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Arto Congratulations on your new 11-course. I am also new to the Baroque lute, but have had my 11c 70 cm Warwick for just over a year, and have had time to gradually change some of my stringing. Unfortunately I just had a double computer failure, and I had lost much

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gehema lute book

2009-11-30 Thread Arto Wikla
Beautiful, Mathias! You play by your new 12 course lute? Also I happened to play to the tube those first 3 pieces by my old 10-courser just a month ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDnThfm-uCQ All the best, Arto Mathias Rösel wrote: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com schrieb:

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Ron Andrico
Sadly, most articles have an expiration date of say twenty years. David: As one who greatly values the historical research of many great scholars in my chosen field, I must gently offer a strong disagreement. Best, Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Jaroslaw Lipski
I don't think that making statements on the basis that somewhere there could be some evidence is a good idea. We need proofs to support our theories. So until we get one, I can easily call this term modern, which is actually based on the data that is available for most of us. JL -

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Mathias Rösel
David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net schrieb: I don't think the material in that article is complete and up to date. For example, there was a perfectly good term for the broken style which is Harpege. Arpègement is a word, indeed. The key point of that word has gone lost, though,

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread chriswilke
Hi all, Just out of curiosity, what is the objection to the term brise? Although somewhat inelegant, it seems a fairly good and useful description of the the style. Luthe, while used in its own day, isn't very helpful to those of us today who want to know more about what the lute players

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Lex van Sante
Could it not be that brise is nothing else than what the Brits used to call the French Brushing stile? Lex. Op 30 nov 2009, om 14:44 heeft Jaroslaw Lipski het volgende geschreven: Obviously we can use this term providing we know its meaning and origin. The problem is that for a very long

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Mathias Rösel
Jaroslaw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl schrieb: Obviously we can use this term providing we know its meaning and origin. The problem is that for a very long time people were using it thinking that this is how the style of some French baroque lute players was described in past. Harpsichord

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Andrew Gibbs
On 30 Nov 2009, at 13:44, Jaroslaw Lipski wrote: snip Harpsichord players wanted to imitate lute playing snip Yes - my amateur understanding is that style luthe is different from brise - in that style luthe was a keyboard composition/perfomance style, in which elements of lute technique were

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: String tensions etc. in d-m-lutes, esp. 11c.?

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi All, Just a comment on the low tension issue. I don't regard 3.0 Kg (well, let's be scientific and call it approx. 30 N) as low tension, so the difference between 2.8 Kg and 3.0 Kg is not such a big deal. When I experimented with using a double top string on a 9c lute (67 cm) I ended up

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Yes, And as mentioned earlier, the melodic importance of 'brise' is evident when one looks at works such as those by von Radolt. MH --- On Mon, 30/11/09, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE]

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: String tensions etc. in d-m-lutes, esp. 11c.?

2009-11-30 Thread Anthony Hind
Hello Martin I certainly would not say that 3Kg is low (sorry I am lazy and use Dan Larson's string calc), but since some others seem to be using over 3.5Kg (and tell me the perceived tension of my stringing is low), it is not that high either (that was all I meant). We know

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Jarosław Lipski
I am not talking about the technique itself, but the name asociated with technique. i.e. Perrine described how to brake chords, but never used the term style brise. And in general we were discussing wheteher one can call the term style brise modern or not. I am not saying we can't use the name,

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Jarosław Lipski
but you are right, this brushing connotation can be very misleading :) JL - Original Message - From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise Jaroslaw Lipski

[LUTE] Re: Test + Glasses for reading music

2009-11-30 Thread Leonard Williams
I use single vision intermediate Rx specs for reading music, but I need to experiment with a bifocal on the intermediate so I can see close up while tuning, setting frets, etc. (This would be like wearing trifocals without the distance portion of the lenses, just intermediate and near.)

[LUTE] Gehema lute book

2009-11-30 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear everybody, playing through the Gehema lute book, I've found what surprisingly beautiful music it contains. I've made some recordings (way not as impeccable as the music itself), available here: https://download.yousendit.com/ZW9DWUhxV3IzeUtGa1E9PQ Ejoy! Mathias To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Regarding the longevity of the usefulness of scholarly citation, as with almost every other concept of the world, it depends. Some concepts are outdated as soon as they pass the muster of peer review and find their way to print. Some seem to be timeless. Part of being an academic is knowing how

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gehema lute book

2009-11-30 Thread Stuart Walsh
Mathias Rösel wrote: Dear everybody, playing through the Gehema lute book, I've found what surprisingly beautiful music it contains. I've made some recordings (way not as impeccable as the music itself), available here: https://download.yousendit.com/ZW9DWUhxV3IzeUtGa1E9PQ Ejoy! Mathias

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread Ron Andrico
Hello Chris: I hold my ground. There is a serious tendency to dismiss earlier research as 'under-developed', with the unfortunate result of perpetually re-inventing the wheel. There are, of course, situations when cumulative knowledge leads us to a better understanding but it

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread damian dlugolecki
I think Mathias comes closest to describing the 'luthé' style. The term brisé is useful I think, but none of the terms come close to revealing the essence of 17th century lute style. It would be nice to be able to post right here * a measure or two of tablature that exemplifies the style, but

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread David van Ooijen
Not everyone has a library within reach, and I happen to have the book from Ledbetter that seemed to have started this discussion, so here are a few lines by him to help people know what it's all about. From Harpsichord and lute music in 17th-century France by David Ledbetter (Macmillan Press

[LUTE] Re: Gehema lute book

2009-11-30 Thread Mathias Rösel
Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com schrieb: Mathias Rösel wrote: Dear everybody, playing through the Gehema lute book, I've found what surprisingly beautiful music it contains. I've made some recordings (way not as impeccable as the music itself), available here:

[LUTE] Re: The under-appreciated Jaques de Saint Luc

2009-11-30 Thread Nicolás Valencia
Daniel, Miguel Yisrael/Serdoura's baroque lute method has many pieces of Jacques de Saint-Luc, who, after Weiss and Anonyme, is the most quoted composer in the whole book. I think this confirms your point about how his music is ideal for beginners. Being a self-taught amateur, I've very much