Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-09 Thread Alex
Dear All, I think the idea to make a bundle LyX installer is very interesting for people who start working with LyX. I know many people who will I was thinking to create a set of files to download to create a this is really works package. (for localised users) I think this should be

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-09 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2005 23:32 schrieb Mike Meyer: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: The last question is that whether or not the developers are required, or willing, to please these 'ignorant' windows users It doesn't matter whether or not they are willing -

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-09 Thread Alex
Dear All, >> I think the idea to make a bundle LyX installer is very interesting >> for people who start working with LyX. I know many people who will I was thinking to create a set of files to download to create a "this is really works" package. (for localised users) I think this should be

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-09 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2005 23:32 schrieb Mike Meyer: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > > The last question is that whether or not the developers are required, > > or willing, to please these 'ignorant' windows users > > It doesn't matter whether or not they are

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Bo Peng wrote: So, at least there is no license issue that prevents us from bundling everything into a single lyx distribution. I download all these things once, when I first install LyX. Why would I want to download them again when I upgrade LyX? I'm likely to tweak MikTeX and the Aspell

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Joachim Krieg
Saturday, October 8, 2005, 11:54:50 AM, Angus wrote: AL Bo Peng wrote: So, at least there is no license issue that prevents us from bundling everything into a single lyx distribution. AL I download all these things once, when I first install LyX. Why would I AL want to download them again when

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Joachim Krieg wrote: AL In case you hadn't noticed, I think that this is just a bad AL idea and a waste of time. Hi, I'm only a small user of LyX. I follow the discussions of this mailinglist because I'm very interested in the development status of LyX. I think the idea to make a bundle

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Luis Rivera
Joachim Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Saturday, October 8, 2005, 11:54:50 AM, Angus wrote: AL Bo Peng wrote: So, at least there is no license issue that prevents us from bundling everything into a single lyx distribution. AL I download all these things once, when I first install

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Mike Meyer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Joachim Krieg wrote: I think the idea to make a bundle LyX installer is very interesting for people who start working with LyX. I know many people who will never try out LyX because installing it is very difficult for them. IMHO

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Luis Rivera wrote: Perhaps it's easier to do something like the protext distribution for MiKTeX. Basically, you set up a pdf file with installation instructions and hyperlinks, pointing to the places you need to go to download whatever you need. See http://tug.org/protext/ Now THIS is a great

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Kayvan A. Sylvan
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 12:21:04PM +0200, Joachim Krieg wrote: Saturday, October 8, 2005, 11:54:50 AM, Angus wrote: AL In case you hadn't noticed, I think that this is just a bad idea and a AL waste of time. I think the idea to make a bundle LyX installer is very interesting for people

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Bo Peng
Dear all, There are some fundamental differences between Linux and windows. Roughly speaking, Linux is consist of many small tools that are designed to work with each other and windows is consist of large independent applications. That is why, under Linux, we have stdin, stdout, hundreds of

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Bo Peng wrote: Although the developers may disagree, I am 100% sure windows users will welcome a bundle version of lyx. (This does not have to conflict with an upgrade version with only lyx). I can set up a poll in lyx-user list if this is still in doubt. Hi, Bo. Have you had a look at

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Angus Leeming wrote: Luis Rivera wrote: Perhaps it's easier to do something like the protext distribution for MiKTeX. Basically, you set up a pdf file with installation instructions and hyperlinks, pointing to the places you need to go to download whatever you need. See http://tug.org/protext/

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Mike Meyer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: The last question is that whether or not the developers are required, or willing, to please these 'ignorant' windows users It doesn't matter whether or not they are willing - they are neither required nor necessary. Most of the tools

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Bo Peng
Have you had a look at Luis's suggestion that we have a look at http://tug.org/protext/ I think that is a more complicated case where uses have more than one choices. And more importantly, users need to know what these components are and how to use them. However, I do not think lyx users need

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Bo Peng
So, if you want such a distribution, you should feel free to create it. I personally do not *want* such a distribution since I am a linux user. I was trying to tell lyx developers that current windows installer is not good enough to attract windows users and suggest that they make the

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Mike Meyer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: I personally do not *want* such a distribution since I am a linux user. I was trying to tell lyx developers that current windows installer is not good enough to attract windows users and suggest that they make the installation process

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Bo Peng
Why do you think we have to wait? Aren't all those things GPLed? If so, they can be bundled along with everything else. It just makes the bundlge bigger. Among these components, convert.exe, aspell.exe are small. Python is known to be easily incorporated in any program (there are instructions

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Bo Peng wrote: > So, at least there is no license issue that prevents us from bundling > everything into a single lyx distribution. I download all these things once, when I first install LyX. Why would I want to download them again when I upgrade LyX? I'm likely to tweak MikTeX and the Aspell

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Joachim Krieg
Saturday, October 8, 2005, 11:54:50 AM, Angus wrote: AL> Bo Peng wrote: >> So, at least there is no license issue that prevents us from bundling >> everything into a single lyx distribution. AL> I download all these things once, when I first install LyX. Why would I AL> want to download them

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Joachim Krieg wrote: > AL> In case you hadn't noticed, I think that this is just a bad > AL> idea and a waste of time. > > Hi, > I'm only a small user of LyX. I follow the discussions of this > mailinglist because I'm very interested in the development status of > LyX. > I think the idea to make

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Luis Rivera
Joachim Krieg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Saturday, October 8, 2005, 11:54:50 AM, Angus wrote: > > AL> Bo Peng wrote: > >> So, at least there is no license issue that prevents us from bundling > >> everything into a single lyx distribution. > > AL> I download all these things once, when I

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > Joachim Krieg wrote: > > I think the idea to make a bundle LyX installer is very interesting > > for people who start working with LyX. I know many people who will > > never try out LyX because installing it is very difficult for

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Luis Rivera wrote: > Perhaps it's easier to do something like the protext distribution for > MiKTeX. Basically, you set up a pdf file with installation instructions > and hyperlinks, pointing to the places you need to go to download > whatever you need. See http://tug.org/protext/ Now THIS is a

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Kayvan A. Sylvan
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 12:21:04PM +0200, Joachim Krieg wrote: > Saturday, October 8, 2005, 11:54:50 AM, Angus wrote: > > AL> In case you hadn't noticed, I think that this is just a bad idea and a > AL> waste of time. > > I think the idea to make a bundle LyX installer is very interesting > for

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Bo Peng
Dear all, There are some fundamental differences between Linux and windows. Roughly speaking, Linux is consist of many small tools that are designed to work with each other and windows is consist of large independent applications. That is why, under Linux, we have stdin, stdout, hundreds of

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Bo Peng wrote: > Although the developers may disagree, I am 100% sure windows users > will welcome a bundle version of lyx. (This does not have to conflict > with an upgrade version with only lyx). I can set up a poll in > lyx-user list if this is still in doubt. Hi, Bo. Have you had a look at

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Angus Leeming wrote: Luis Rivera wrote: Perhaps it's easier to do something like the protext distribution for MiKTeX. Basically, you set up a pdf file with installation instructions and hyperlinks, pointing to the places you need to go to download whatever you need. See http://tug.org/protext/

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > The last question is that whether or not the developers are required, > or willing, to please these 'ignorant' windows users It doesn't matter whether or not they are willing - they are neither required nor necessary. Most of the

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Bo Peng
> Have you had a look at Luis's suggestion that we have a look at > http://tug.org/protext/ I think that is a more complicated case where uses have more than one choices. And more importantly, users need to know what these components are and how to use them. However, I do not think lyx users need

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Bo Peng
> So, if you want such a distribution, you should feel free to create > it. I personally do not *want* such a distribution since I am a linux user. I was trying to tell lyx developers that current windows installer is not good enough to attract windows users and suggest that they make the

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > I personally do not *want* such a distribution since I am a linux > user. I was trying to tell lyx developers that current windows > installer is not good enough to attract windows users and suggest that > they make the installation

Re: Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-08 Thread Bo Peng
> Why do you think we have to wait? Aren't all those things GPLed? If > so, they can be bundled along with everything else. It just makes the > bundlge bigger. Among these components, convert.exe, aspell.exe are small. Python is known to be easily incorporated in any program (there are

Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-07 Thread Bo Peng
Just checked a few sites: Miktex: http://www.miktex.org/faq/general.html#license The MiKTeX distribution is a conglomerate of many software packages. To the best of our knowledge, all packages meet the requirements of the Debian Free Software Guidelines. This means that MiKTeX may be freely

Bundle everything into lyx windows installer.

2005-10-07 Thread Bo Peng
Just checked a few sites: Miktex: http://www.miktex.org/faq/general.html#license The MiKTeX distribution is a conglomerate of many software packages. To the best of our knowledge, all packages meet the requirements of the Debian Free Software Guidelines. This means that MiKTeX may be freely