Stephen Harris wrote:
Helge Hafting wrote:
David Neeley wrote:
Personally, I did not respond to the idea that the menus should be
"Word-like"--what I was focused on was the idea of having a bit more
ability to create layout adjustments from controls in the menu system.
That, I continue to belie
Jan Peters wrote:
> I am just a little confused at the moment: I had heard that
> Theorem-like environments would be supported by LyX in a reasonable
> way for 1.4.x but I still only have them as latex commands. Is that me
> or does it require x > 2?
AFAIK they are only available in the AMS docum
I am just a little confused at the moment: I had heard that
Theorem-like environments would be supported by LyX in a reasonable
way for 1.4.x but I still only have them as latex commands. Is that me
or does it require x > 2?
On Fri, 26 May 2006, Steve Litt wrote:
Couldn't an html document do a better job, possibly data driven.
wiki? I'm just suggesting that you can use the wiki to create these
documents.
One lookup is "what you want to do", another is document class, maybe
another is command/environment. It c
On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30 pm, David Neeley wrote:
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> That said, I have held on several professional mail lists for tech
> writers that the LyX approach seems far better suited for
> documentation than other solutions. Entirely too much time is spent by
> tech writers fiddling with layout
On Thursday 25 May 2006 07:43 pm, Stephen Harris wrote:
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> Designing such a menu seems quite ambitious, even for a
> subset of possibilities. I would have thought it impossible
> if Steve Litt, who wrote the layout tutorial, hadn't said
> he thought it was a good idea. It just seems so dynami
Helge Hafting wrote:
David Neeley wrote:
Personally, I did not respond to the idea that the menus should be
"Word-like"--what I was focused on was the idea of having a bit more
ability to create layout adjustments from controls in the menu system.
That, I continue to believe, is a worthwhile goa
David Neeley wrote:
Personally, I did not respond to the idea that the menus should be
"Word-like"--what I was focused on was the idea of having a bit more
ability to create layout adjustments from controls in the menu system.
That, I continue to believe, is a worthwhile goal.
I'll give you a si
David Neeley wrote:
Stephen,
First, I should say that using terms such as "what silly nonsense"
does *not* impress others as having any sort of open or constructive
attitude. Instead, it comes across as condescending, to put it mildly.
The statement I criticized was: "But I think the creators
Stephen,
First, I should say that using terms such as "what silly nonsense"
does *not* impress others as having any sort of open or constructive
attitude. Instead, it comes across as condescending, to put it mildly.
As for your assertion that "Word has failed for years as program of
choice for t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Enrique S Gonzalez Di Totto wrote:
As a new user, to me clearly the most important feature missing from
LyX is the ability to create new document classes with custom
enviroments using the LyX GUI.
I know adding such a feature must be quite a large undertaking, but
On Fri, 26 May 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Btw, in my opinion creating a new typographic appearance for a document is
well beyound the average user - LyX or Word. In fact, I doubt I'd be able
to produce something that looks good. (I'm not talking about doing some
minor tweaking of an existing
Enrique S Gonzalez Di Totto wrote:
As a new user, to me clearly the most important feature missing from LyX
is the ability to create new document classes with custom enviroments
using the LyX GUI.
I know adding such a feature must be quite a large undertaking, but
writing .layout files or
Enrique S Gonzalez Di Totto wrote:
Citando a Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
LyX developers already try to make the menus easier and
toolbars more available for _all_ users. I don't think Rich resents
making things easier, but the completely ignorant notion that making
Lyx menus more like W
Enrique S Gonzalez Di Totto wrote:
As a new user, to me clearly the most important feature missing
from LyX is the ability to create new document classes with custom
enviroments using the LyX GUI.
I know adding such a feature must be quite a large undertaking, but
writing .layout files or e
Jan Peters wrote:
Thanks, Georg. I knew about the possibility of adding symbols to the
toolbar and the little math toolbar is nice. However, what would be
needed are buttons where I can click and, e.g., get all symbols as
pull-down
menu (see the SWP-LyX comparison at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/
L
Jan Peters wrote:
Thanks, Georg. I knew about the possibility of adding symbols to the
toolbar and the little math toolbar is nice. However, what would be
needed are buttons where I can click and, e.g., get all symbols as
pull-down
menu (see the SWP-LyX comparison at
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Lyx
On Wed, May 24, 2006, Jan Peters wrote:
> 2) Why is it still a less pleasant experience to edit an equation in
> LyX than in either MathType (oh horror) or Scientific Workplace?
I think this must depend either on what you are most familiar with, or on what
you expect. For me, creating and editin
> Do you know that we already have a math toolbar. It is disabled by
> default, and enabling it currently means editing the ui/default.ui
> file. It can be made to pop up automatically in maths, for those who
> like these kind of things.
Yes, but here come two points:
1) it should be possible to
Thanks, Georg. I knew about the possibility of adding symbols to the
toolbar and the little math toolbar is nice. However, what would be
needed are buttons where I can click and, e.g., get all symbols as
pull-down
menu (see the SWP-LyX comparison at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/
LyxVersusScientificW
Jan Peters wrote:
> 1) it should be possible to activate these without going into the text
> files, why is there not View->Toolbars->Math,Extra,MiniBuffer,etc
> menu which allows this?
Because nobody implemented it.
> 2) Why is it still a less pleasant experience to edit an equation in
> LyX tha
Jan> Just my 2 cents: The LyX toolbars should be not repeats Word's
Jan> mistakes but include nice equation editing feature like SWP or
Jan> Mathtype which are currently "hidden" in the math panel (which
Jan> either costs me half my screen or has to be activated every
Jan> time). Practical math to
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 11:01 am, Enrique S Gonzalez Di Totto wrote:
> So what I meant to say is that providing the user with a graphical
> interface where they can create layouts and customize the few usual
> options for an enviroment (font family, size, spacing, etc.) would
> allow them to get
Citando a Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
LyX developers already try to make the menus easier and
toolbars more available for _all_ users. I don't think Rich resents
making things easier, but the completely ignorant notion that making
Lyx menus more like Word menus would accomplish such a go
> "Micha" == Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Micha> My guess, not much, with the toolbar support from qt. You
Micha> mostly need the ability to have second level (maybe more, I
Micha> don't use the math panel much), toolbar/menu popups (do the
Micha> exist by chance ?) and then just i
> "Jan" == Jan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jan> Just my 2 cents: The LyX toolbars should be not repeats Word's
Jan> mistakes but include nice equation editing feature like SWP or
Jan> Mathtype which are currently "hidden" in the math panel (which
Jan> either costs me half my screen or h
Jan Peters wrote:
> How difficult would it be to move the Math Panel into the toolbar?
You can have most of it already in the toolbar. Have a look at the files
lib/ui/default.ui and lib/ui/stdtoolbars.ui. They already define a small
math toolbar that is switched off by default. This can be switch
Jan Peters wrote:
> How difficult would it be to move the Math Panel into the toolbar?
You discovered that LyX 1.4 comes with a (limited) math toolbar? Covering
everything from the panel in the toolbar is not possible yet, though.
Jürgen
Micha Feigin wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 14:13:51 -0500
"David Neeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rich,
I read nothing in Mr. Gonzalez' suggestion that would require that you
or anyone else "come down to that level." Adding the ability to create
a layout from the LyX GUI does not mean that you
On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:00:22 -0700
Jan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > LyX developers already try to make the menus easier and
> > toolbars more available for _all_ users. I don't think Rich resents
> > making things easier, but the completely ignorant notion that making
> > Lyx menus more l
On Tue, 23 May 2006 14:13:51 -0500
"David Neeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rich,
>
> I read nothing in Mr. Gonzalez' suggestion that would require that you
> or anyone else "come down to that level." Adding the ability to create
> a layout from the LyX GUI does not mean that you would lose an
John McCabe-Dansted wrote:
On 5/24/06, Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
LyX developers already try to make the menus easier and
toolbars more available for _all_ users. I don't think Rich resents
making things easier, but the completely ignorant notion that making
Lyx menus more like Wo
LyX developers already try to make the menus easier and
toolbars more available for _all_ users. I don't think Rich resents
making things easier, but the completely ignorant notion that making
Lyx menus more like Word menus would accomplish such a goal. ERTs
will be the area where there is the lea
Personally, I did not respond to the idea that the menus should be
"Word-like"--what I was focused on was the idea of having a bit more
ability to create layout adjustments from controls in the menu system.
That, I continue to believe, is a worthwhile goal.
I'll give you a simple example: let us
On 5/24/06, Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
LyX developers already try to make the menus easier and
toolbars more available for _all_ users. I don't think Rich resents
making things easier, but the completely ignorant notion that making
Lyx menus more like Word menus would accomplish su
David Neeley wrote:
Rich,
I read nothing in Mr. Gonzalez' suggestion that would require that you
or anyone else "come down to that level." Adding the ability to create
a layout from the LyX GUI does not mean that you would lose any
ability for you to "roll your own." It might, though, encourage
Rich,
I read nothing in Mr. Gonzalez' suggestion that would require that you
or anyone else "come down to that level." Adding the ability to create
a layout from the LyX GUI does not mean that you would lose any
ability for you to "roll your own." It might, though, encourage new
users to get goin
On Tue, 23 May 2006, Enrique S Gonzalez Di Totto wrote:
I know adding such a feature must be quite a large undertaking, but writing
.layout files or even one single line of LaTeX code is too steep a learning
curve for the average Word user to ever climb.
Then, perhaps, the average Word user
eed of any
upgrade whatsoever. ;)
Original message:
A debate topic: What can LyX still learn from scientific workplace?
Jan Peters
Sun, 21 May 2006 01:08:35 -0700
I have attempted to outline what LyX can still learn from scientific
workplace and vice versa. Its not the world but it is the
I think you have left out easy copy/paste and muti-window from SWP.
And if SWP has not fixed this problem, the undo feature of SWP sucks.
Bo
I have attempted to outline what LyX can still learn from scientific
workplace
and vice versa. Its not the world but it is the part which makes the
users
base change from enthusiasts to "commoners". Please check out
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyxVersusScientificWorkplace
http://www.jan-peters.ne
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