Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-27 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-27, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > Am Thursday 26 February 2009 16:56:57 schrieb Wilfried: >> Guenter Milde wrote: >>> But how about trying to get LyX into TeXLive? >> There is already a bootable, self-sustained Linux DVD available with LyX >> integrated: >> http://www.knoppix.org/ >> Th

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-27 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Thursday 26 February 2009 16:56:57 schrieb Wilfried: > Guenter Milde wrote: > > On 2009-02-07, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > > On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > > >> On Friday 06 February 2009 09:32:12 A B wrote: > > >> > > >> perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be help

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-26 Thread Wilfried
Guenter Milde wrote: > On 2009-02-07, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > >> On Friday 06 February 2009 09:32:12 A B wrote: > > >> perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to demonstrate > >> its merrit to those who care > > > Actually

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-16 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-07, Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: >> On Friday 06 February 2009 09:32:12 A B wrote: >> perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to demonstrate >> its merrit to those who care > Actually, a complete installation of LyX, LaTeX

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-13 Thread Helge Hafting
A B wrote: What is needed is the ability to let LyX users interact with other people. With good converters that enable LyX users to take a X-file, open, edit, and send back a X-file, (where X = word or html or rtf or openoffice or xml or even MP3 (with lillypond?) ) you can work with LyX in any

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-12 Thread Helge Hafting
Christian Ridderström wrote: On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: It'd be a simple piece of software, self-contained and easy to install on someone's pc for cooperative writing. Is there a reason it has to be installed? Maybe it'd be interesting with a version that can be run without ha

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-10 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Sunday 08 February 2009 10:35:04 schrieb Wolfgang Keller: > > > perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to > > > demonstrate its merrit to those who care > > > > Actually, a complete installation of LyX, LaTeX and various software > > on a CD could be a good idea, assuming it can

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-08 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Wolfgang Keller wrote: perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to demonstrate its merrit to those who care Actually, a complete installation of LyX, LaTeX and various software on a CD could be a good idea, assuming it can be run without installing it. I'm not

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-08 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, typh...@aanet.com.au wrote: I wasn't clear enough... I was actually thinking of Windows users, and that they'd be able to run LyX from the CD, but still inside Windows and not by booting into eg Knoppix. Using a virtual machine might be an idea, but then you have the probl

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-08 Thread Piero Faustini
Guenter Milde writes: > Document format conversion is lossy "by a natural law". ...the Wise know this. Anyway, @LyxLyght's "oppositors": I not-LyX-nor-even-LaTeX (i.e. Word) collaborators are of 3 kind: A. Those who will never use anything different than Word (or OOo), say >50% B. Those who

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-08 Thread Wolfgang Keller
> > perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to > > demonstrate its merrit to those who care > > Actually, a complete installation of LyX, LaTeX and various software > on a CD could be a good idea, assuming it can be run without > installing it. I'm not sure it's feasible though. I'

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-07 Thread typhoon
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: > >> Christian Ridderström wrote: perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to demonstrate its merrit to those who care >>> >>> Actually, a complete installation of LyX, LaTeX and various software on >>> a >>> CD could be a good i

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-07 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Christian Ridderström wrote: perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to demonstrate its merrit to those who care Actually, a complete installation of LyX, LaTeX and various software on a CD could be a good idea, assuming it can be run with

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-07 Thread Pavel Sanda
Christian Ridderström wrote: >> perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to demonstrate its >> merrit to those who care > > Actually, a complete installation of LyX, LaTeX and various software on a > CD could be a good idea, assuming it can be run without installing it. > I'm not su

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-07 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: On Friday 06 February 2009 09:32:12 A B wrote: perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to demonstrate its merrit to those who care Actually, a complete installation of LyX, LaTeX and various software on a CD could be a good idea,

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-07 Thread Erez Yerushalmi
A few threads back, someone mentioned a "light LyX" version. (A light version that you wouldn't need the latex. You could edit the text, and and see the equations) I couldn't help thinking about adobe's "PDF reader" vs. "PDF convert". 10 years ago, most people used PDF readers, and only acade

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-07 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
On Friday 06 February 2009 09:32:12 A B wrote: perhaps a live CD with a whatever-Lyx would be helpful to demonstrate its merrit to those who care Wolfgang > > I'd say: create converters that are shipped with LyX instead! > > If I may generalize a little > The word users are of two kinds: t

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Richard Heck
Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 06 February 2009 11:46:21 am Richard Heck wrote: David Mertens wrote: It would be great if ... the .lxy document would be bundled with all images in a .zip file. Great idea, but not trivial. Has this been discussed on the lists before? If it has, I

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 06 February 2009 11:46:21 am Richard Heck wrote: > David Mertens wrote: > >> It would be great if ... the .lxy document would be bundled with all > >> images in a .zip file. > > > > Great idea, but not trivial. Has this been discussed on the lists > > before? If it has, I couldn't find i

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 06 February 2009 11:37:50 am Richard Heck wrote: > Yes, of course, that's correct. There's layout2layout, as well. So > python is definitely required. What does layout2layout do? SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Richard Heck
David Mertens wrote: It would be great if ... the .lxy document would be bundled with all images in a .zip file. Great idea, but not trivial. Has this been discussed on the lists before? If it has, I couldn't find it. A lot, but mostly on devel. There is, in fact, a script that lives

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Richard Heck
Guenter Milde wrote: FYI, I think Richard has further improved the bibtex parsing lately. I know, this is why I can browse my bibtex database easily from within lyx. Would it be feasable to use this new ability in LyX's text export? I don't see why not. Basically, we have a data struc

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Richard Heck
Guenter Milde wrote: On 2009-02-05, rgheck wrote: I looked a bit closer and you are correct. Python was installed I'd guess that a LyXLite probably wouldn't need python. We're never exporting; we're never compiling. We don't care what programs and packages are available or not

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
David Mertens schreef: It would be great if ... the .lxy document would be bundled with all images in a .zip file. Great idea, but not trivial. Has this been discussed on the lists before? If it has, I couldn't find it. Yes, see: http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/BundleSuggestions http://w

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread David Mertens
> > It would be great if ... the .lxy document would be bundled with all images > in a .zip file. > Great idea, but not trivial. Has this been discussed on the lists before? If it has, I couldn't find it. We would probably want a portable LyX format (.plyx) that would be a tarrball or zip of the

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread stefan
Hi, It would be great if LightLyx(or whatever name) would be a portable, one file solultion and the .lxy document would be bundled with all images in a .zip file. So you can just give the document (zip-file) and the exe (for windows) file of PortanbleLightlyx to someone and he/she could review and

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-05, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Guenter Milde wrote: >> This was about citation support. But I see it works without LaTeX too (but >> with limited funtionality: giving the bibtex-key instead):: >> ... >> for details see [milde.ea.ieee-sensors:08] >> [LaTeX-Befehl: bibtex] > FYI

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Graham Smith
AB I might have missed something here (I'm sorry in that case) but are you suggesting a LyX-light version for people that does not want to use anything but word Paradoxically yes. I'd say: create converters that are shipped with LyX instead! If I may generalize a little The wo

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-06, A B wrote: >>> I might have missed something here (I'm sorry in that case) Yes, reading the thread from the beginning will help to understand the complex issue and the various solutions proposed so far... >>> but are you suggesting a LyX-light version for people that does not >>>

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-05, rgheck wrote: >> I looked a bit closer and you are correct. Python was installed > I'd guess that a LyXLite probably wouldn't need python. We're never > exporting; we're never compiling. We don't care what programs and > packages are available or not. We're assuming that none ar

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-06 Thread A B
>> I might have missed something here (I'm sorry in that case) but are >> you suggesting a LyX-light version for people that does not want to >> use anything but word > > Paradoxically yes. I'd say: create converters that are shipped with LyX instead! If I may generalize a little The word use

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Piero Faustini
Vincent van Ravesteijn writes: > As you understand by now, I only see improvements to LyX without the > need for having a different application. And improvements are of course > always worth implementing. When I'm talking about LyXght I don't think it should a *different* app, of course. I th

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > Reading your other post: > > It may also be useful on computers too small for latex > > Lyx-light will be much easier to install because latex and other large > packages of supporting software is omitted. > > The only difference I see is an installer that does not a

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread rgheck
David Mertens wrote: I'm a bit puzzled about this, because python is needed to run the configure.py script that checks for installed programs and the like. Are you sure the installer didn't install python? rh I looked a bit closer and you are correct. Python was installed in my LyX prog

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread David Mertens
> > I'm a bit puzzled about this, because python is needed to run the > configure.py script that checks for installed programs and the like. Are you > sure the installer didn't install python? > > rh I looked a bit closer and you are correct. Python was installed in my LyX program folder, not in

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Bruce Pourciau
On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: I think this should hold for FullyLyX too. You should be able to use LyX without any Latex and/or Image conversion applications. Of course some export functions don't work and some images can't be converted, but plain text, etc. sho

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread rgheck
David Mertens wrote: 3. After installing most of what I needed, it downloaded the aspell software and installed it. I thought that Python was required for LyX (it used to be required), but this apparently is no longer the case, which is nice. I'm a bit puzzled about this, because python i

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread David Mertens
(Forgot to reply to the full list again. My apologies Helge.) @ Vincent - The installer would be different, and LyX would have to not give error messages for messed-up layout files. See my notes below. @all - Regarding MicroLyX (tested on Windows) - I recalled that LyX could be run without a L

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: It'd be a simple piece of software, self-contained and easy to install on someone's pc for cooperative writing. Is there a reason it has to be installed? Maybe it'd be interesting with a version that can be run without having first been installed? /

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Helge Hafting schreef: Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: I think this should hold for FullyLyX too. You should be able to use LyX without any Latex and/or Image conversion applications. Of course some export functions don't work and some images can't be converted, but plain text, etc. should work

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Ken wrote: Helge, Thanks for your message. Yes, I wrote to the IT folks a few weeks ago with the suggestion and will try to follow it up in a few weeks time. While there is no licensing costs they may have to worry about the installation and support cost/effort. But again, I think that LyX

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: I think this should hold for FullyLyX too. You should be able to use LyX without any Latex and/or Image conversion applications. Of course some export functions don't work and some images can't be converted, but plain text, etc. should work. I believe LyX alread

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
A B wrote: Not quite true. Most (if not all) of the image formats typically used by Windows user are natively supported by LyX. interesting; i would expect postscript to be used as the most common format for scientific papers... For the images? Rather EPS or PDF. PDF is supported. As the conve

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Guenter Milde wrote: On 2009-02-05, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Guenter Milde wrote: Editing yes, output would need LaTeX even for text (AFAIK). No, unless this has changed recently, LateX is not needed for text export in the 1.5 and 1.6 series. This was about citation support. But I see it

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Guenter Milde wrote: On 2009-02-05, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Guenter Milde wrote: In my view, to use LaTeX as exchange format, LyX development should a) concentrate on an improved LyX -> LaTeX -> LyX cycle (with the aim to get this round-trip lossless) and b) encourage develop

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread rgheck
Guenter Milde wrote: On 2009-02-05, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Guenter Milde wrote: In my view, to use LaTeX as exchange format, LyX development should a) concentrate on an improved LyX -> LaTeX -> LyX cycle (with the aim to get this round-trip lossless) and

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-05, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Guenter Milde wrote: >> In my view, to use LaTeX as exchange format, >> LyX development should >> a) concentrate on an improved >> LyX -> LaTeX -> LyX >>cycle (with the aim to get this round-trip lossless) and >> b) encourage development/imp

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
A B schreef: Not quite true. Most (if not all) of the image formats typically used by Windows user are natively supported by LyX. interesting; i would expect postscript to be used as the most common format for scientific papers... For the images? Rather EPS or PDF. PDF is suppor

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread A B
>>> Not quite true. Most (if not all) of the image formats typically used by >>> Windows user are natively supported by LyX. > >> interesting; i would expect postscript to be used as the most common format >> for scientific papers... > > For the images? Rather EPS or PDF. PDF is supported. > > As t

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Piero Faustini schreef: Helge Hafting writes: Or in the case of a serious cooperation setup - use the same config file as the guy who has the full lyx setup and does the printing. That's smart. LyghtLyX (got the word-pun?) should know that with that document, he is working on a pro

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-05, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Guenter Milde wrote: >> Editing yes, output would need LaTeX even for text (AFAIK). > No, unless this has changed recently, LateX is not needed for text > export in the 1.5 and 1.6 series. This was about citation support. But I see it works without LaTe

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-05, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >> Pavel Sanda wrote: >>> Piero Faustini wrote: want. No converters, no LaTeX. >>> no converters -> no pictures >> Not quite true. Most (if not all) of the image formats typically used by >> Windows user are natively supported by

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Piero Faustini
Helge Hafting writes: > > Or in the case of a serious cooperation setup - use the same config file > as the guy who has the full lyx setup and does the printing. That's smart. LyghtLyX (got the word-pun?) should know that with that document, he is working on a project, for which he relies on

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 05 February 2009 05:51:38 am Guenter Milde wrote: > Why not Ly-X (for lyx without TeX)? but this is a minor point. That doesn't roll smoothly off the tongue and sounds a little too much like "liar." SteveT

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Ken
I like the idea of LyX-Lite too. Perhaps one way to deal with the images problem is for LyX to export a LyX-Lite version with images in jpg/png format to a sub-directory along with the lyxlite.lyx file. Would this make sharing the images within a document easier and more light-weight? -Ken

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Guenter Milde wrote: In my view, to use LaTeX as exchange format, LyX development should a) concentrate on an improved LyX -> LaTeX -> LyX cycle (with the aim to get this round-trip lossless) and b) encourage development/improvement of LaTeX converters (to/from OOffice, HTML, r

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Guenter Milde wrote: Editing yes, output would need LaTeX even for text (AFAIK). No, unless this has changed recently, LateX is not needed for text export in the 1.5 and 1.6 series. Abdel.

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Pavel Sanda wrote: >> Piero Faustini wrote: >>> want. No converters, no LaTeX. >> no converters -> no pictures > > Not quite true. Most (if not all) of the image formats typically used by > Windows user are natively supported by LyX. interesting; i would expect postscr

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Ken
Helge, Thanks for your message. Yes, I wrote to the IT folks a few weeks ago with the suggestion and will try to follow it up in a few weeks time. While there is no licensing costs they may have to worry about the installation and support cost/effort. But again, I think that LyX is far and away

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-05, Rainer M Krug wrote: > the options of editing via PDFs and conversion from and to rtf, should > be explored further as they really would solve the problem. The problem here is, that PDF and rtf do not provide semantic markup so most of the document structure and other vital inform

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Isn't this going to be a big problem? LyX objects rather strongly when it thinks you don't have the corresponding LaTeX class installed. Of course, this behaviour could be changed. Isn't this decision made based on what the configure script autodete

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Ken wrote: harder to export them to SWP even though they are both LaTeX editors. At the university, SWP is available as a standard install on machines but not LyX. Have you tried getting the university to offer LyX as part of the standard install as well? Being free means they don't need a b

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Christian Ridderström wrote: On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Guenter Milde wrote: idiot-proof as well) LyX version, (I have the name: LyteX or LyghtX!) Why not Ly-X (for lyx without TeX)? but this is a minor point. Maybe it's _too_ close to LyX? Thus easily mistaken. lyxlight? minilyx? microlyx? Als

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Guenter Milde wrote: idiot-proof as well) LyX version, (I have the name: LyteX or LyghtX!) Why not Ly-X (for lyx without TeX)? but this is a minor point. Maybe it's _too_ close to LyX? Thus easily mistaken. Also, it may be that some settings are blocked if the supportin

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-04, David Mertens wrote: >> 3. (optional, and not so inmediate) A light-weight full-view (and >> idiot-proof as well) LyX version, (I have the name: LyteX or LyghtX!) Why not Ly-X (for lyx without TeX)? but this is a minor point. >> is able to edit text (and structure) of conventiona

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-02-04, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Piero Faustini wrote: >> want. No converters, no LaTeX. > no converters -> no pictures Well, pictures in formats supported directly by QT will still be visible (which are a lot). Günter

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: Piero Faustini wrote: want. No converters, no LaTeX. no converters -> no pictures Not quite true. Most (if not all) of the image formats typically used by Windows user are natively supported by LyX. Abdel.

Using example to promote (Was: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?)

2009-02-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
Hi, Here's an ide for those wishing to promote LyX within their particular field or organisation: Create one or more simple example documents that use reasonable formatting and layout for your area. I think that if the starting threshold to actually being productive is lowere

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Rainer M Krug
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > Piero Faustini schreef: >> >> Pavel Sanda writes: >> >> >>> >>> when you download lyx installer (not the bundled version), you are >>> enforced >>> to install miktex too? to remove export/view menu items is a piece of >>> cake. >>> t

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
Piero Faustini wrote: > want. No converters, no LaTeX. no converters -> no pictures pavel

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Piero Faustini
Vincent van Ravesteijn writes: > Although I was enthusiastic when I first saw this proposal, but I do not > think it is something that solves the problem. > > 1. LyX is pretty lightweight, as you don't have to install any of the > additional stuff, > 2. You still have to convince your coauthor

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Piero Faustini schreef: Pavel Sanda writes: when you download lyx installer (not the bundled version), you are enforced to install miktex too? to remove export/view menu items is a piece of cake. to deny editing of certain elements would be harder. should this part of the discussion

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Piero Faustini
Pavel Sanda writes: > > when you download lyx installer (not the bundled version), you are enforced > to install miktex too? to remove export/view menu items is a piece of cake. > to deny editing of certain elements would be harder. should this part of the discussion be moved to the Lyx.Devel l

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
David Mertens wrote: > > > > 3. (optional, and not so inmediate) A light-weight full-view (and > > idiot-proof as well) LyX version, (I have the name: LyteX or LyghtX!) which > > is able to edit text (and structure) of conventional LyX docs, without the > > possibility of editing ERT or items expl

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Piero Faustini
Erez Yerushalmi writes: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/research/phds/3rd_year/yerushalmi/c omputing/lyx Nice page, only that "a few other languages" seems quite unfair... above all for french, german, spanish, italian etc. etc. users!!!

RE: Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
> Yeah, a LyX viewer/editor without document processing back-end (and > the associated 800Mb download) would be great. > I posted this "wanted feature" (let's call it this way!) in > http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/Collaboration and I'm very persuaded > it could be great but I have NO idea of how muc

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Piero Faustini
David Mertens writes: > Yeah, a LyX viewer/editor without document processing back-end (and the > associated 800Mb download) would be great. I posted this "wanted feature" (let's call it this way!) in http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/Collaboration and I'm very persuaded it could be great but I have

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread David Mertens
> > 3. (optional, and not so inmediate) A light-weight full-view (and > idiot-proof as well) LyX version, (I have the name: LyteX or LyghtX!) which > is able to edit text (and structure) of conventional LyX docs, without the > possibility of editing ERT or items explicitly banned by the original >

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Murat Yildizoglu
Hi Erez, Nice promotional page! I had planned to write a page on LyX on my very slow-living blog after the release of the version 1.6, but I have not time yet. My students normally use the tips I give there Maybe during the next holidays I will try to put it in place. The promotion is important. W

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Erez Yerushalmi
Hi all, I agree with much of what has been said. Another thing which *diffuses* LyX into the academia is just pure*advertising * - I'm using Murat's words. For example, I am advertising LyX to all my students and colleagues. Maybe a good thing is for all those that like LyX, to do something simi

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Murat Yildizoglu
I definitely support Ken's proposition. SWP really makes a huge mess with the latex file (even if the file is compilable by a standar Latex engine - I use the same TexLive 2005 with SWP and LyX). The possibility of easily switching to LyX can have some importance consequences on a larger diffusion

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-04 Thread Ken
It was a few months ago that I went through the hassle of import/exporting between LyX and SWP. Yes, SWP can export to "portable" latex, but it was not all that portable. However with a few tweaks it was possible to get a decent import into LyX. (I think there is a wiki page on it with regards to

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-03 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
I have worked with a co-author that insists on using Scientific Word. My experience is that not only is SW/SWP very expensive, I also find it a far inferior product to LyX. It is not easy to import documents from SWP and even harder to export them to SWP even though they are both LaTeX ed

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-03 Thread Ken
I have not followed the entire thread on this issue but I did a search through the discussion and could not find anyone mentioning the issues with Scientific Word/Workplace. I have worked with a co-author that insists on using Scientific Word. My experience is that not only is SW/SWP very expen

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-02 Thread Helge Hafting
Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 26 January 2009 10:52:49 am Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Have you ever supplied your colleagues with a layout file containing all > > the environments and character styles they'll need for their document? I > > think even the most non-technic

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-02 Thread Piero Faustini
Peter Baumgartner writes: > > It seems to me that there are several co-operations scenarios which may > require different solutions: Good work, Peter: my ideas on the subject are clearer now. Inmediate actions we can take in respect to these scenarios are of two different kinds: 1. Effort in

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-02-01 Thread Peter Baumgartner
It seems to me that there are several co-operations scenarios which may require different solutions: 1. Leading author/editor: A) Writing a book alone: In this case the co-operation is with the publisher. In my experience - this was before LyX-time, using FrameMaker ­ this boils down to a very

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-30 Thread Typhoon
I have had good experience using reStructuredText as a cooperative format. It is a fairly powerful "plain text" markup. It has the advantage of a formal specification and good converters to oo, LaTeX and xhtml. Because of the formal specs, it has become more powerful than most wiki languages as ne

Re: SV: Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-30 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Ingar Pareliussen wrote: However, images might be a problem, I guess... I think it would be a great addition. My use case is my latest book. It was co-authored in a wiki (50+ persons), converted to html, imported to oo, exported as Latex imported to lyx. Added a lot of te

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-30 Thread Les Denham
On Thursday 29 January 2009, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > Add a html/wiki <--> LyX converter and we are all done! Heck, with the > > current LyX format it feels like replacing \section with == > > Well, in principle, yes. One further complication I haven't seen mentioned here is that HTML is

SV: Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-30 Thread Ingar Pareliussen
> There are several problems here: > > * Which of the many wiki variants do you want to support? Even if there are many wikis, there are many common features. However, the best aproach may be to include these into a layout file. e.g.: Style Chapter wikicommand "==" END Style Section

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-30 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-01-30, Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, A B wrote: >> Add a html/wiki <--> LyX converter and we are all done! Heck, with the >> current LyX format it feels like replacing \section with == > Well, in principle, yes. :-) There are several problems here: * Which of th

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-29 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, A B wrote: I seem to remember that a LyX / wiki connection was discussed some time ago and it just struck me that that is also an nice way of collaborating. Hi, Yes, I'm the guy usually bringing this up :-) The ability to save LyX documents as a wiki page and load a wik

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-29 Thread A B
Hi. I seem to remember that a LyX / wiki connection was discussed some time ago and it just struck me that that is also an nice way of collaborating. The ability to save LyX documents as a wiki page and load a wiki page into Lyx. In non-lyx environment there might be a wiki page for information s

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-28 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Pavel Sanda wrote: > do you intend to put these into the tree? Eventually perhaps. But not now, since both packages are very new, and the modules are not very much tested (I just hacked them together rather quickly). But I thought about setting up a "module" site next to the existing "layouts"

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-27 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Ehud Kaplan wrote: > > Thanks, Jurgen.  Your comments were helpful. > > As for the inserted comments (item #4), sometimes one needs to insert > > comments for one's colleagues while editing a text. > > I tried to insert a Lyx note or a comment, and although they showed u

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-27 Thread Rainer M Krug
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Les Denham wrote: > On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> >> I am using Ubuntu Hardy, texlive 2007-13 >> > >> > AFAIK, you need at least TeXLive-2008 for SyncTeX. >> >> Thank explains - now I only need some pointers, on how I can install >> it on Ubun

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-27 Thread Les Denham
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> I am using Ubuntu Hardy, texlive 2007-13 > > > > AFAIK, you need at least TeXLive-2008 for SyncTeX. > > Thank explains - now I only need some pointers, on how I can install > it on Ubuntu Rainer, There seem to be some problems integrating it w

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-27 Thread E. Kaplan
You have been providing the OTHER (previously unmentioned) reason why I like Lyx-- the timely and expert advice and open discussion on this list-server. Thanks. Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D. Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Preven

Re: Strategies for Writing Co-operation with Non-LyX Users?

2009-01-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
John Kane wrote: You? I use OOo all the time and 'within' OOo they work very well, people seem to be writing books with it all the time. See for example the Getting Started Guide at http://documentation.openoffice.org/. Importing a document from Word seems to often import all kinds of junk st

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