Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-18 Thread R IV
Sent from my iPad On Feb 6, 2023, at 1:33 PM, Cedric Amand wrote:  I’d like to eliminate the possibility that my ram has problems ; may it be on my m200 or my m102 ; is there a small basic or ml program somewhere that would to a meaningful test ( I could probably draft a simple one but it

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread birt_j
] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200 On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 3:38 PM mailto:bir...@soigeneris.com> > wrote: Loading a .DO file which has been incorrectly named .BA won’t work correctly but it won’t hard reset the machine either. Not sure what you mean by

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Brian K. White
The internal battery always preserves the ram contents as long as it's a working battery. Reset can happen fairly easily from crashing software, but it requires some sort of software error, IE either a bug in the software or a corrupt copy of the software from a bad serial transfer. Merely

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Alex ...
day, February 6, 2023 2:39 PM > *To:* m...@bitchin100.com > *Subject:* Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both > M102/M200 > > > > A particularly nasty crash can make it do that cold-reset thing. I ran > into that countless times while trying my hand at a

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 3:38 PM wrote: > Loading a .DO file which has been incorrectly named .BA won’t work > correctly but it won’t hard reset the machine either. > > > > > Not sure what you mean by "won't work correctly." Attempting to inload a BA named file that is not properly tokenized will

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread birt_j
, February 6, 2023 2:39 PM To: m...@bitchin100.com Subject: Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200 A particularly nasty crash can make it do that cold-reset thing. I ran into that countless times while trying my hand at assembly development while using ROM2 and MFORTH

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread birt_j
Loading a .DO file which has been incorrectly named .BA won’t work correctly but it won’t hard reset the machine either. Jeff Birt From: M100 On Behalf Of John R. Hogerhuis Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 3:21 PM To: m...@bitchin100.com Subject: Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Cedric Amand
I’d like to eliminate the possibility that my ram has problems ; may it be on my m200 or my m102 ; is there a small basic or ml program somewhere that would to a meaningful test ( I could probably draft a simple one but it would probably not be very thorough ) All in all my m102 is much more

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Peter Noeth
Although not having seen this ever crash my T102, I did notice that having my Seiko DP-414 printer connected, but turned off, causes an increase in current draw on the T102 (likely on the M100 as well). Several 10s of milliamps if I recall correctly. Does cause the red LED to come on if batteries

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
TS-DOS? The only problem I know that causes corruption with TS-DOS is mistakenly trying to inload a file named with a BA extension that's not really a tokenized BASIC file. You should always rename ASCII BASIC files as .DO before inloading. You can inload a .BA file, but it must actually be

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Cedric Amand
Thanks to all, I have a lot of things to investigate now. Jeff : indeed , I've never been able to reproduce the problem "on demand", but each time I remember crashing, I was doing serial communication or "saving files", so more than likely using TSDOS. So that's one area I'm gonna investigate.

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Alex ...
A particularly nasty crash can make it do that cold-reset thing. I ran into that countless times while trying my hand at assembly development while using ROM2 and MFORTH. in that case the problem isn't that the memory is totally erased but that some important part gets corrupted and the stock ROM

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Stephen Adolph
> > > When you say a Save operation, do you mean write to laptop ram or write to external? You are getting a cold restart for sure. That is the result. What causes a cold restart? Memory corruption, specific bytes in upper ram. When the computer does a restart from instruction , it will

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread birt_j
it. Jeff Birt From: M100 On Behalf Of Cedric Amand Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 11:39 AM To: m...@bitchin100.com Subject: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200 Hello, While trying to help Stephen testing new REX software, I've been investigating crashes

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread birt_j
: Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200 I'm really not convinced my problem is REX related, at least not yet Is there a process, a type of crash, or something known to basically crash the Model T and wipe it's RAM (and reset the clock !) ? All

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Cedric Amand
I'm really not convinced my problem is REX related, at least not yet Is there a process, a type of crash, or something known to basically crash the Model T and wipe it's RAM (and reset the clock !) ? All of that with a perfectly working backup ram (I can replace the batteries no problem) It's

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Stephen Adolph
> > Hi Cedric, If you can, please try to replicate the problem without a REX# involved. Maybe I missed something with R2.2. Rs232 does load up the lower supply a bit. There could be a problem with that aspect, but it should be the same with or without rex. Thanks Steve > On Monday,

Re: [M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
It's not normal at all. The backup battery should absolutely protect the RAM even if the main batteries are dead. Do you know if the backup battery is getting charged? And I guess the memory power switch must be on since I don't think it works with it off. I guess you would need to remove main

[M100] Low battery , crashes wipe the memory of both M102/M200

2023-02-06 Thread Cedric Amand
Hello, While trying to help Stephen testing new REX software, I've been investigating crashes of both my M102 and M200 (unrelated to REX) It seems that when using batteries that are "bit low" (but the red light does not turn on), together with anything using the serial port (transfers,