Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Because it was the weekend and your air was complaining. Kawal. On 28 Feb 2012, at 12:39 AM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote: It seems like the Mail bugs are a little inconsistent. I don't have the issue Kawal mentions. And, I didn't have the problem with VO not reading the read

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Goodin, Donna
So what? Now my air is going to start expecting time off and health benefits? lol Cheers, Donna On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:22 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Because it was the weekend and your air was complaining. Kawal. On 28 Feb 2012, at 12:39 AM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote: It

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
IDK, It might not be bugs but, I see some inaccessibility in IOS mail. For example, voiceover doesn't read the preview of the message like you can do on the Mac. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Goodin,

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
Why didn't you just go back to Mails classic layout then? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Kimberly thurman kimthur...@insightbb.com wrote: I updated to Lion a few weeks ago. Mail was awful under Lion, which

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, you can just close the preview pain so you need to press enter on the message to view it in a different window. This will then mark the message as read. Are more accurately, unmark the message as unread. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Goodin, Donna
Ricardo, Do you remember how to do this? I remember doing it when I first got my Mac, and it seemed to involve magical incantations, dancing in a circle around a bonfire under the full moon, etc. lol It took me forever to actually do it. Cheers, Donna On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Ricardo

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
lol, Its not that bad. There is a vertical splitter that separates the messages column group which contains the messages table and the message content area which is the preview pane. Just make sure your mouse cursor is focused on this vertical splitter and double click with your trackpad or

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Chris Moore
To be honest I have switched back to the classic layout. Only because I like being able to interact with the columns so I can just whizz up and down the subjects. Makes it much quicker when you get so much mail to red. I do find this version of mail more buggy and less responsive than the

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Goodin, Donna
No, I just tried that and it didn't work. And I did check to make sure it was under the mouse cursor and trackpad commander was off. Cheers, Donna On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: lol, Its not that bad. There is a vertical splitter that separates the messages column

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Jenny Keller
I don't know if this will help but I fI find it easier to use the VO J command whitch takes me to the mail list then to the message body and so on. Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks On Feb 28, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote: Ricardo, Do you remember how to do

the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Goodin, Donna
Hi all, Whoever posted that having the preview pane open was what was causing the read status not to be spoken was absolutely correct. This explains why I didn't start seeing this till Saturday, I had had the preview pane turned off, and somehow managed to get it visible again. Anyway,

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Now, if we can only solve the read by thread issue. That's the one plegueing me at the moment. Can't use the right arrow key to expand a thread so I have to use control+tab. The only way to resolve this is to restart my machine. Pressing enter on a calapsed thread usually crashes my mail.

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread matthew Dyer
Hi all. If I had a usb mouse would I still be able to disable the message pain? Just wondered. Matthew On Feb 28, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Hi all, Whoever posted that having the preview pane open was what was causing the read status not to be spoken was absolutely

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Steve Holmes
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing or not. I didn't think the message area was a preview pane. I'm now using the standard or modern view; I find it easier than the classic view; frankly, I couldn't keep the message window from opening even in that view any way. Now with the

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-28 Thread Kimberly thurman
Ricardo, I did use the classic view, and it was still clunky. I haven't had one busy in mail since I went back to Snow Leopard. My whole system was just clunky under Lion, and maybe it's because I just ran the update and didn't install it fresh and then import my stuff, I don't know. I run

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Kimberly thurman
Yeah, I use threaded messages all the time and this did not work right at all under Lion. It would appear messages were from the wrong person all the time. Ugh! On Feb 28, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Now, if we can only solve the read by thread issue. That's the one plegueing

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Steve Holmes
I'm on Lion 10.7.3 and started out with 10.7.2 before that for a brief period. I never had any problems with threaded messages I us this approach with all mailers I work with on all platforms. My only complaint right now with Mail is the message getting marked read when you highlight it on the

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Steve, With Mail in classic view and having got rid of the preview pane, the messages appear as a list on the right-hand side of the screen, with the mailboxes as a list on the left. In Conversation view, you expand a thread by pressing right arrow and all the messages in that thread

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Steve Holmes
Concerning getting rid of the preview pane, Which suggestion is the best? Clicking on the horrizontal bar between message list and message area or the one on the other side. I think VO said Horizontal. I also saw reference to a vertical bar; now I'm not sure totally what I heard and won't know

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Goodin, Donna
Hi Steve, You want the horizontal scroll bar to the right of the messages list. If you do it with your mouse or trackpad, it should work fine. Someone told me that you have to interact with it first and take it down to zero. I don't know if that's true, but I did it. As for bringing

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
It's annoying, this does not work for me! I even put the splitter down to 0. Kawal. On 28 Feb 2012, at 21:44, Goodin, Donna wrote: Hi Steve, You want the horizontal scroll bar to the right of the messages list. If you do it with your mouse or trackpad, it should work fine. Someone told

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Goodin, Donna
Hi Kawal, did you check to make sure the splitter was under the mouse? I know it may sound like a stupid question, but thought I'd ask. :) Best, Donna Donna Goodin, Ph.D. Academic and ADHD Coach Services for Students with Disabilities Lecturer I, Spanish Department of Romance Languages and

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Yes I did with vo number 5 and it said horrizontal splitter. Is that right? On 28 Feb 2012, at 10:15 PM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote: Hi Kawal, did you check to make sure the splitter was under the mouse? I know it may sound like a stupid question, but thought I'd ask. :)

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I meant with vo function 5 rather than number 5. On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:29, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Yes I did with vo number 5 and it said horrizontal splitter. Is that right? On 28 Feb 2012, at 10:15 PM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote: Hi Kawal, did you check to make sure the

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Goodin, Donna
sounds right to me. Donna Donna Goodin, Ph.D. Academic and ADHD Coach Services for Students with Disabilities Lecturer I, Spanish Department of Romance Languages and Literatures University of Michigan Phone: 734-763-3000 Email: dgoo...@umich.edu On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Can't see any difference. On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:41, Goodin, Donna wrote: sounds right to me. Donna Donna Goodin, Ph.D. Academic and ADHD Coach Services for Students with Disabilities Lecturer I, Spanish Department of Romance Languages and Literatures University of Michigan Phone:

Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

2012-02-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
No, your looking for a vertical splitter. hth Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote: sounds right to me. Donna Donna Goodin, Ph.D. Academic and ADHD Coach Services for

Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hello All. Don't know if any one has noticed since the update of Lion, when ever you open a mail, Voice Over is always reading the person's e-mail address before the message. I prefer the old way where it just read the message. Kawal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-27 Thread Goodin, Donna
Hey Kawal, I'm starting to wonder if my Mac is possessed. lol I don't have the problem you describe at all. Cheers, Donna On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hello All. Don't know if any one has noticed since the update of Lion, when ever you open a mail, Voice Over is

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Mail is so simple to read using the I phone 4S if you have a bluetooth keyboard for convienience sake to reply with, at least you know you've replied to an e-mail. Why do we not have bugs in the I phone mail? Kawal. On 27 Feb 2012, at 10:09 PM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote: Hey

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-27 Thread Scott Howell
Funny, I have not noticed this myself. On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hello All. Don't know if any one has noticed since the update of Lion, when ever you open a mail, Voice Over is always reading the person's e-mail address before the message. I prefer the old way

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-27 Thread Goodin, Donna
I think the better question is, given that we don't have bugs in iPhone mail, why do we have them in Mail on the Mac? :) Cheers, Donna On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Mail is so simple to read using the I phone 4S if you have a bluetooth keyboard for convienience sake to

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-27 Thread Goodin, Donna
It seems like the Mail bugs are a little inconsistent. I don't have the issue Kawal mentions. And, I didn't have the problem with VO not reading the read status, till Saturday, and I have no idea 1, why I didn't have it before, and 2, why it started on Saturday. Cheers, Donna On Feb 27,

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-27 Thread Kimberly thurman
I updated to Lion a few weeks ago. Mail was awful under Lion, which is why I was not terribly upset this weekend when my Macbook Pro crashed completely for the first time ever in the 27 months I've owned it. I had to erase and reinstall from the Snow Leopard disk that came with the Macbook,

Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

2012-02-27 Thread Steve Holmes
I still find for the fastest and most efficient way to read my e-mail is to use mutt on my Linux box. That's hardly the right answer for a Mac users list though. When I am in Apple's Mail, the only complaint I have right now other than general GUI clunkiness, is the problem with VO not reading