Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread Sean Paul
So, would you complain if it wasn't spoken at all? I'd bet you would. Isn't it a good thing that we get caller ID at all? I mean? Seriously? - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 15:54 Subject: Re:

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread Emrah
Hi, How exactly do you think you are being constructive here? On the same register as your message, don't you think sighted people would have an issue if their caller ID were flashed on a billboard for everyone to see every time they get a call? It goes without saying that it is great we have

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, if your in a important meeting, wouldn't you want everything off? Not just called ID announcement? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 3, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: I like Caller ID, I.E. someone

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hello, Although I don't find the option to turn off the announcement of caller ID of high priority, I do realize that some might. Sure, having caller ID announced is good, but I don't look at it like Apple has done us a great favor by adding it, and those who think it can be implemented

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Wouldn't Do not Disturb turn everything else off accept for when someone was calling? Or you could flip up the Mute switch. Kawal. On 4 Mar 2013, at 02:36 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, if your in a important meeting, wouldn't you want everything off? Not just called

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread Sean Paul
Seriously? I don't think most sighted people that you come in contact with can even understand voiceover nor do they even care who is calling you. Again, at least we have the ability to have caller ID unlike when cell phones first came out. What if you have a home phone line a talking caller

RE: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread Moses Choo
Dear all, While you are all on the topic of the caller ID anouncement, I have yet something more irritating. Not only does the phone anounce when it rings, even during the conversation it will also anounce the caller or his number. Besides muting the speech while we are on the line, is there

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread James Mannion
I agree and although I don't think there is generally anything wrong with possible customizing options and settings, I think it is a bit much to put this forth as some huge issue of any sort. There are absolutely options to us the controls available to eliminate this speaking if it is such a

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hello, no. There is no customizable setting to prevent this. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 4, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Moses Choo mosesc...@ncbm.org.my wrote: Dear all, While you are all on the topic of the caller ID anouncement, I

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-04 Thread James Mannion
I wasn't saying there is. I was saying I don't see anything wrong with someone putting a suggestion in for an additional customization setting to control this, but differentiating that from putting it out there as a huge issue that just completely violates privacy instead of looking it as

Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Emrah
Hi list, I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually interrogate the

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread James Mannion
Maybe try turning down the volume when not in use so it will not announce it to any extent that anyone would be able to hear it that you don't want to hear it? Maybe do the 3 finger double tap to mute speech when not in use and then just quickly unmute it with the same command when you want to

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share this concern. I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either. One could mute speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, turn Voiceover off all together with a 3 triple press of home, and turn either back on

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Emrah
Friend, Thanks for your prompt input. The fact is that if you wish VO to speak lower on incoming calls, you must lower the volume of the ringer alert. Otherwise turning down the volume of VO is not extremely practical since there are too many cases where you need the volume back at a normal

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Alex Hall
One thing to do is mute the phone. When speak notifications on lock screen is disabled, and when the phone is musted with the mute switch, vo says nothing at all unless you touch the screen, just as you are wanting. Personally, I have my speech rate at 100% and the vast majority of my callers

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Chris Gilland
Frankly, I don't know I'd totally get rid of the option to read caller ID, however, I do wonder how hard it would be to make it where VO doesn't automatically read. In other words, have it do like now where it pops up, yes, but you would have to intentionally flick to it to read the thing.

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Chris Gilland
I have to agree. One of my friends used to be married to a lady who I remained friends with after their divorce. This jack A kept stalking her even after they divorced. He'd do anything he could to get her number and call/harass her. So at that time, I didn't have an IPhone, but had I, it

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Chris Gilland
You wrote: Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset. Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. Chris. --

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread James Mannion
Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling. As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern. Personally I don't

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Danny Noonan
For anyone having an affair or in a terrorist cell or even hush hush corporate espionage think about changing volatile names in your contacts. Sent from my iPhone On 04/03/2013, at 10:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I like Caller ID, I.E. someone being announced although I wish it didn't do it on loud speaker when the I phone headset was plugged in. However, I'd like the choice of having the announcement muted especially if you were in an important meeting as others have stated. Kawal. On 3 Mar 2013, at

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread Richard Ring
The reason this particular issue doesn't concern me overly much is this. Most people who aren't used to the iPhone speech won't understand the number anyway. And, besides, I no longer receive covert calls from CIA operatives, so I believe my information is relatively safe. You can have an off

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread John Panarese
I have to agree. I have been in many situations in which sighted people had no idea what VoiceOver was saying because the announcement also comes with the ring tone. So they stopped calling you, Rich. I guess that's why they have been calling me of late . Take Care John D.

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

2013-03-03 Thread James Mannion
There is a way around anything being announced when in a meeting and such. It is the do not disturb feature. It is in the top level of the menus. I guess unless one for some reason wants it to ring out loud in the meeting, but not announce who it is. I guess then you might be harder pressed for a