me if I'm wrong.
Take care
James
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Mann tiger0...@earthlink.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my
chest
I think that if you don't like
Hi,
Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen
access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional
sense of the word. On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but
mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM acts kind of
strange
Quite the contrary, the existence of a scripting language takes away
the excuse from mainstream developers as they can now manipulate their
program via scripts and cannot tell the Access Board that they cannot
do Section 508 compliance. At FS, we forced a number of big players
to either
was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get
this off my chest
Hi,
Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen
access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional
sense of the word. On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but
mouse cursor (review
,
must get
this off my chest
Hi,
Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen
access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional
sense of the word. On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but
mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM
Thank you for the clarification Chris
Take care
James
- Original Message -
From: Chris Hofstader c...@hofstader.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must
get this off
Hi,
I don't know if this is strictly a script issue, but as i wrote in a
mail earlier in this thread, i'm afraid that making more and more
wild things with the screen reader is forcing us to use one and only
one developers programs. Of course we should be able to use Apples own
programs,
, September 08, 2009 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Thank you, all for your comments. That really puts my mind at ease. I
was not trying to complain, I was just trying to get some concerns out
there. IF people felt like I was complaining, that was not my
: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hi,
I don't know if this is strictly a script issue, but as i wrote in a
mail earlier in this thread, i'm afraid that making more and more
wild things with the screen reader is forcing us
I'm not a programmer, but I'll hazard a guess that maybe the issue now
is that MSAA has become such a heavily used facility for windows-based
screen readers, that now it would take an amazing amount of work to
break away from that. So, it in other words in for a penny in for a
pound.
On
PM
Subject: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hi all.
I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting.
Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with
a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing
All well writen Mac applications should support AppleScript.
Sent from my iPhone
Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
On 07/09/2009, at 8:52 PM, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting.
Yes indeed Greg. I only hope that Apple continue to develop VO and that they
don't stop here.
- Original Message -
From: Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get
Hi,
Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the
value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO.
I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a screen
reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you
mention in your email
Thank you for this information and clarification
- Original Message -
From: Chris Hofstader c...@hofstader.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hi,
Probably because I
Hi, I agree with both points of view to some extent. If the api
remains as tight as it has been for voiceover, less need for scripting
will be required. I doubt seriously that we can eliminate the need for
it altogether as the very nature of screenreading technology is
prosthetic rather
Another thing to consider, besides voiceover turning into bloatware as
Jfw already has done is that if you script or develop special features
too hard, you risk getting stuck with software from one developer and
one alone. I don't know how conserned you should be on the Macintosh
I am not sure what people are thinking about for AppleScript since I
have not read how it will integrate with VO yet. but since OS9 one
could use apple script to read out loud the subject line of all unread
e-mail messages. Sure you could not use Alex, but fred and bells have
been around
I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of scripts
to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com
and share our thoughts on this.
On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
Hi all.
I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support
That sounds like a good idea.
On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote:
I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of scripts
to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com
and share our thoughts on this.
On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes
I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then
don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of
VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular,
some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If that
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then
don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of
VoiceOver
The major reason between JAWS and its scripting facility is that it
*must* have scripts to function. Just making VO scriptable doesn't
make it any more reliant on scripts than it is today but with
something like AppleScript, one can add some finesse to how VO
interacts with certain
Two thunbs up!!!
On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then
don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of
VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular,
some blind people
I think it sounds like a bad idea.
I don't think that this something to bother Apple accessibility over.
I think it's worth pointing out that many apps on the Mac are
scriptable and I think it is a mistake to read to much into why it was
added to vo. This only adds to the power of
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Mann tiger0...@earthlink.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then
don't
: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I think it sounds like a bad idea.
I don't think that this something to bother Apple accessibility over.
I think it's worth pointing out that many apps on the Mac are
scriptable and I think it is a mistake to read to much into why
I'm possibly being nit picky, but I wanted to correct a particular
choice of words I used.
I said that some people wore raising valid concerns in regards to vo
becoming like Jaws. I will change that to possible concerns. At the
moment they are only possible in that anything is possible.
Scripts are usually an extension to a given program, those of whom
want to customize their own experience further. It's part of the tools
that people use to make their lives easier, and more efficient when
encountering redundancy or other such issues. I think that Apple is
well aware of
Hey Chris, it's interesting that you mention the whole off screen
model, actually I'm amazed that voice over does as well as it does
without one, I wonder if windows screen readers will ever be able to
move away from this approach, I think the only screen reader that does
not have one is
Well built Macintosh applications should support scripting.
AppleScript is a core service of the OS and I and other VoiceOVer
users and developer were asking for AppleScript support from the very
start of VoiceOver and well before the NFB ever heard of VoiceOver.
All Mac application should
wrong.
Take care
James
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Mann tiger0...@earthlink.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I think that if you don't like using
Maybe it is good I have not yet written apple.
On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
I think it sounds like a bad idea.
I don't think that this something to bother Apple accessibility over.
I think it's worth pointing out that many apps on the Mac are
scriptable and I think it is
Hello. Thank you for the explanation about apple script.
On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
Well built Macintosh applications should support scripting.
AppleScript is a core service of the OS and I and other VoiceOVer
users and developer were asking for AppleScript support from
I'd need to agree with this.
It's ridiculous to encourage the abandonment of a feature simply
because you yourself might not like it or want to use it.
As long as it's not interfering with your use of the product,
complaining about it is really moot at best, and detrimental at
Thank you, all for your comments. That really puts my mind at ease. I
was not trying to complain, I was just trying to get some concerns out
there. IF people felt like I was complaining, that was not my
intention. So sorry if it came out like that.
Jes
On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Cara
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