Lauri Leukkunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 31/07/07 11:56 +0300, ext Marius Vollmer wrote:
>> Also, both sbox1 and sbox2 redirect whole packages, not just binaries
>> (if I understand sbox2 correctly). E.g., when redirecting the "perl"
>> command, the redirected-to perl will take its module
On 31/07/07 13:11 +0300, Lauri Leukkunen wrote:
> On 31/07/07 11:56 +0300, ext Marius Vollmer wrote:
> > That way, all binaries can be replaced that are used a lot during
> > compilation and are too slow to be emulated: /bin/sh, m4, awk, make,
> > perl, gcc, binutils, but not much more. Packages l
ext Andrew J. Barr wrote:
> On 7/31/07, Carlos Guerreiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> What happens on top of the Maemo platform is a different discussion
>> altogether.
>>
>
> FWIW, I think that there is a distinction between "maemo" the platform
> and the ITOS firmware that not everyone
On 7/31/07, Carlos Guerreiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What happens on top of the Maemo platform is a different discussion
> altogether.
FWIW, I think that there is a distinction between "maemo" the platform
and the ITOS firmware that not everyone has grasped. Maemo is mostly
open, a lot more o
>> > components should be pushed to debian and ubuntu and get those bigger
>> > communities involved in their development. One day we will anyway be
>> >
>> Indeed. When it comes to Hildon that is certainly starting to happen
>> now.
>
> This should be the default mode for most of the stuff we do
Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sounds like you want multiarch.
Yes, I know I want multiarch. :) Is it ready?
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On 31/07/07 13:52 +0300, Igor Stoppa wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 13:11 +0300, ext Lauri Leukkunen wrote:
>
> > You could take the current "emulate" mode as a template and start adding
> > to that your exceptions.
>
> Maybe it's a matter of sb developer's vs sb user's point of view, but I
> wou
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 13:11 +0300, ext Lauri Leukkunen wrote:
> You could take the current "emulate" mode as a template and start adding
> to that your exceptions.
Maybe it's a matter of sb developer's vs sb user's point of view, but I
would rather consider sb to be the exception ...
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 11:56:12AM +0300, ext Marius Vollmer wrote:
> Then there would be a way for the user to select whether or not to
> make /usr/bin/perl be the armel or i386 version.
I know this sounds like a trite reply, but I have actually read your
entire mail. However:
Sounds like you w
On 31/07/07 11:56 +0300, ext Marius Vollmer wrote:
> Also, both sbox1 and sbox2 redirect whole packages, not just binaries
> (if I understand sbox2 correctly). E.g., when redirecting the "perl"
> command, the redirected-to perl will take its modules from the
> redirected-to prefix, not from the re
"ext Lauri Leukkunen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Continuing on the topic of build dependencies, SB2 has an open
> design issue regarding them. [...]
I played a bit with sbox2 and I failed in the end, probably because I
didn't use the right toolchain, but while doing that, a picture slowly
form
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 06:59:06PM +0300, ext Xan wrote:
> On 7/26/07, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Loïc Minier wrote:
> > > Would be nice if someone could add a #ifdef GDK_CLOSE_ALL_AVAILABLE
> > > etc. :)
> >
> > Updating my own question: this function is wi
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Xan wrote:
> The issue here is: the pc file for hildon-1 hardcodes MAEMO_CHANGES to
> 1, so anything you build on top of it will get that define. This wan
> fine by the time we did it ("if you use hildon you surely want all the
> stuff and certainly you are using our gtk versi
> > Lauri, I can see you've been away for too long and missed
> > some of the action ;-)
>
> That's probably true, but I'm not afraid to raise old issues that may
> or may not have been 100% addressed. Worst thing that can happen is
> that things are actually not as bad as I thought. I'm just one
On 7/26/07, Carlos Guerreiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ext Lauri Leukkunen wrote:
> > Nokia and Maemo community really need to figure out an easy way for
> > developers to use the real hardware and system-mode qemu. Those are the
> > only adequate solutions for testing and debugging of software.
On 7/26/07, Carlos Guerreiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > As long as Nokia works in the current, essentially forked, mode,
> > nothing will happen. Nokia needs to look at the way it interacts with
> > upstream projects and change. Sure it can be painful, but hiding
> > behind a smoke-screen of
> As long as Nokia works in the current, essentially forked, mode,
> nothing will happen. Nokia needs to look at the way it interacts with
> upstream projects and change. Sure it can be painful, but hiding
> behind a smoke-screen of "product program priorities" is just not
> helping to solve the r
> The big problem is that hildon depends on an old, forked version of gtk+ that
> nobody in
> their right mind wants on their x86 systems. The nokia people at guadec were
> unable to
> give me an ETA on when that will be fixed :(
>
There's been a huge amount of progress towards
fixing that. N
ext Lauri Leukkunen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Scratchbox2 can now be found in debian, unstable and testing carry frequently
> updated releases of it. I've been going over a number of packages trying
> to test it. I think it's pretty good considering the limited amount
> of people using it, and the fact that
On 7/26/07, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Loïc Minier wrote:
> > Would be nice if someone could add a #ifdef GDK_CLOSE_ALL_AVAILABLE
> > etc. :)
>
> Updating my own question: this function is within "#ifdef
> MAEMO_CHANGES"; does that mean that if we start pulli
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Loïc Minier wrote:
> Would be nice if someone could add a #ifdef GDK_CLOSE_ALL_AVAILABLE
> etc. :)
Updating my own question: this function is within "#ifdef
MAEMO_CHANGES"; does that mean that if we start pulling some maemo
changes into Gtk to build hildon (such as the f
Riku Voipio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Marius Vollmer wrote:
>
>> There are two kinds of borders: one kind isolates OSs from each
>> other; this could be done with some virtualization tool like xen,
>> uml, or maybe chroot. The other kind isolates different
>> architectures within the same dis
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Tommi Komulainen wrote:
> Currently the only required patch for hildon stack is one that exports
> some GtkFileChooser headers so that hildon-fm can run. Everything else
> is available in gtk+ trunk or #ifdef'd out (except for oversight in
> hildon-desktop.)
Yeah; while talk
On 7/26/07, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From my point of view, the host and target distributions should be as
> independent as possible. The host could be Debian, or Redhat, or
> Nokia's internal Linux, or OSX, or even Windows.
There are many, many ways to solve this, starting fro
Marius Vollmer wrote:
> There are two kinds of borders: one kind isolates OSs from each other;
> this could be done with some virtualization tool like xen, uml, or
> maybe chroot. The other kind isolates different architectures within
> the same distribution; this is what SB2 does.
>
There has
"ext Lauri Leukkunen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> At least it should be possible to build a package for both host and
> target distros like this:
>
> cd my_package
> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
> sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Hmm, I am still quite fuzzy about what SB2 is all about. Maybe y
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 10:04 +0200, ext Koen Kooi wrote:
> The big problem is that hildon depends on an old, forked version of gtk+ that
> nobody in
> their right mind wants on their x86 systems. The nokia people at guadec were
> unable to
> give me an ETA on when that will be fixed :(
Currently
Koen Kooi wrote:
> The big problem is that hildon depends on an old, forked version of gtk+ that
> nobody in
> their right mind wants on their x86 systems. The nokia people at guadec were
> unable to
> give me an ETA on when that will be fixed :(
>
>
Guadec of what year? :P
http://packages.ub
On 7/26/07, Koen Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It's
> > stupid to maintain a lame x86 port of maemo which nobody wants when all the
> > components should be pushed to debian and ubuntu and get those bigger
> > communities involved in their development.
>
> The big problem is that hildon depen
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Lauri Leukkunen schreef:
> Also note that SB2 is totally not interested in doing x86->x86 development,
> like what many people are doing today with SB1. People need to wake up, smell
> the coffee, integrate with debian proper and get with the program.
Hi,
Scratchbox2 can now be found in debian, unstable and testing carry frequently
updated releases of it. I've been going over a number of packages trying
to test it. I think it's pretty good considering the limited amount
of people using it, and the fact that the public maemo rootstraps are an
i
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