Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-20 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 08:28 +0100, ext Frédéric Crozat wrote: [snip] > I guess one thing missing for outside developers (ie not Nokia one) is > an easy way to monitor their programs for power usage, specially when > device is supposed to be idle. Maybe qemu could be used to detect when > device is

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-19 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 15:41 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:31 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: > > Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 08:58 -0400, Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga a écrit : > > > Igor Stoppa wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: > > > >>

Re: IMAP clients (was: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?)

2007-01-19 Thread nick loeve
I'll have a bash too if you want some testers. I have a N800. Cheers On 1/19/07, Jonathan Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks I will have to check it out.Anyone using the 770 is used to random crashes ... On 1/19/07, Dave Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri Jan 19 17:05:34 2007,

Re: IMAP clients (was: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?)

2007-01-19 Thread Jonathan Greene
Thanks I will have to check it out.Anyone using the 770 is used to random crashes ... On 1/19/07, Dave Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri Jan 19 17:05:34 2007, Jonathan Greene wrote: > what client are you using for imap? > > I use Telomer, which is written in Python by someone obviously

IMAP clients (was: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?)

2007-01-19 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri Jan 19 17:05:34 2007, Jonathan Greene wrote: what client are you using for imap? I use Telomer, which is written in Python by someone obviously exceedingly intelligent and highly involved in the latest developments in IMAP on mobile devices. And probably dashingly good-looking, yet hu

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-19 Thread Jonathan Greene
what client are you using for imap? On 1/19/07, Dave Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri Jan 19 14:53:48 2007, Wahlau - wrote: > i think it does not. i have today an adhoc connection to my > notebook, > for testing gpesyncd (which did not work totally, but that is > another > story) and s

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-12 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 09:19:26AM +0100, Frantisek Dufka wrote: > Marius Gedminas wrote: > >Even the cover is sometimes inconvenient. I wish I could press the > >power button and get the screen to blank immediatelly. That's what the > >Palms used to do. > > > >Power + lock screen doesn't do what

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-12 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Marius Gedminas wrote: Even the cover is sometimes inconvenient. I wish I could press the power button and get the screen to blank immediatelly. That's what the Palms used to do. Power + lock screen doesn't do what I want -- it dims the screen but doesn't blank it. Oh, you can, check /etc/sy

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-11 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:15:56PM +0100, Simon Budig wrote: > Igor Stoppa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > [snipped helpful description of power saving] > > Also because N800 doesn't have a cover, but certainly that doesn't > > prevent us to do the very same power saving that was already available > >

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-11 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:32:54PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And to attempt to defend the concept of Always ON, think about the > general populace - tech savvy enough to use VoIP, but not geek enough to > understand/care about what goes into making it work. They would not > understand why t

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, Igor Stoppa wrote: How can I work around this? *Don't do unnecessary stuff *Don't poll *Don't busyloop *Check system state (by listening for events, again, never poll) *Keep updates at minimum *Do updates only if your application is visible, otherwise completely stop updating the UI till yo

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 13:51 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: > Igor Stoppa wrote: > > Hi Tim! > > > > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, ext Tim Teulings wrote: > >> How can I work around this? > > *Don't do unnecessary stuff > > *Don't poll > > *Don't busyloop > > *Check system state (by listeni

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Igor Stoppa
Hi, On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 15:35 +0100, ext Simon Budig wrote: [snip] > I guess in the future I'll have to use my mobile > web browser for phone calls as well. Hmm. Isn't canola using a webserver for a simple UI? :-( -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Fi

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Simon Budig
Igor Stoppa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 12:15 +0100, ext Simon Budig wrote: > > The N800 has no equivalent. When you stop using it, its screen stays > > lighted for a while - "wasn't there something else you wanted to use me > > for?", it still demands a certain amount of att

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Igor Stoppa wrote: Hi Tim! On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, ext Tim Teulings wrote: How can I work around this? *Don't do unnecessary stuff *Don't poll *Don't busyloop *Check system state (by listening for events, again, never poll) *Keep updates at minimum *Do updates only if your applicati

RE: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Amit.Kucheria
>>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Simon Budig >>Sent: 10 January, 2007 13:16 >>To: maemo-users@maemo.org >>Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking? >> >>I believe Nokia is

RE: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Amit.Kucheria
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Simon Budig >Sent: 10 January, 2007 13:16 >To: maemo-users@maemo.org >Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking? > >I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor her

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Igor Stoppa
Hi, On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 12:15 +0100, ext Simon Budig wrote: > Igor Stoppa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > [snipped helpful description of power saving] > > Also because N800 doesn't have a cover, but certainly that doesn't > > prevent us to do the very same power saving that was already available >

RE: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Jakub.Pavelek
>At least these are my thoughts regarding the cover issue - it >is a psychological thing and I am a bit sad that Nokia >apparently abandoned this concept. Yep. N800 is "always connected" device, unless you go turn it off ;) --jakub ___ maemo-users mai

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Simon Budig
Igor Stoppa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snipped helpful description of power saving] > Also because N800 doesn't have a cover, but certainly that doesn't > prevent us to do the very same power saving that was already available > on 770. :-D > > The cover would just be the cause for an _immediate_

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-10 Thread Igor Stoppa
Hi Tim! On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, ext Tim Teulings wrote: > Hello! > > > the apps you have installed are buggy and generate activity > > and i mean any type of activity, 1% CPU load is still too much: > > if the app is idle, it must have 0% CPU activity > > What does that exactly mean (

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Tim Teulings
Hello! > the apps you have installed are buggy and generate activity > and i mean any type of activity, 1% CPU load is still too much: > if the app is idle, it must have 0% CPU activity What does that exactly mean (especially for non GTK-based applications like mine that cannot expect some GTK ma

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Humberto Ortiz Zuazaga
Igor Stoppa wrote: Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been Can you live without using 770 for a week? :-D I had one only for idle testing ... My sentiments exactly, I don't think mine's ever

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:31 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: > Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 08:58 -0400, Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga a écrit : > > Igor Stoppa wrote: > > > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: > > >> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: > > >>> Le

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 08:58 -0400, Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga a écrit : > Igor Stoppa wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: > >> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: > >>> Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : > >>> Guys,

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga
Igor Stoppa wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: >> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: >>> Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : >>> Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : >>> mine is only a

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: > > Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : > > > Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : > > mine is only able to last about 4

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: > Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : > Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : > mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been > like that), only boot up

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : > Hi, > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:28 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > Might it be due to the dropbear deamon? > > > > Maybe the BlueTooth? > > > > Anything else I should check / look for? > > > > Thanks! >

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Igor Stoppa
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:28 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: > Hi again, > > Might it be due to the dropbear deamon? > > Maybe the BlueTooth? > > Anything else I should check / look for? > > Thanks! As Amit wrote, when you move to 3rd party applications it's very likely that one of th

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-09 Thread Amit Kucheria
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:28 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: > Hi again, > > Might it be due to the dropbear deamon? > > Maybe the BlueTooth? > > Anything else I should check / look for? > > Thanks! I know this might not be much of a solution but it might lead to some resolution - Is it p

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-08 Thread Amichai Rotman
Hi again, Might it be due to the dropbear deamon? Maybe the BlueTooth? Anything else I should check / look for? Thanks! On 1/8/07, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 16:38 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: > Thanks Igor, > > I also thoght somewhere along those line

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-08 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 16:38 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: > Thanks Igor, > > I also thoght somewhere along those lines, but - is there a way to > prevent it? Is there a way to lock the power button? No, in the end there has to be a way to wake up the device. It's a feature of the electrical d

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-08 Thread Amichai Rotman
Thanks Igor, I also thoght somewhere along those lines, but - is there a way to prevent it? Is there a way to lock the power button? I am pretty sure it's not in R&D mode - how do I make sure? Thanks again, Amichai On 1/8/07, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, On Mon, 2007-01-08 at

Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-08 Thread Igor Stoppa
Hi, On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 16:13 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a feeling my battery isn't OK. > > I fully charge it, then I bearly use it. I keep it in my bag for 3-4 > days sometimes without using so much while all programs / apps are > closed and it is set to offline mo