Re: [Mageia-dev] Latest update borked my x server

2013-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2013/1/29 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 29.1.2013 10:26: Installed MGA3 Beta2 including proprietary nvidia driver, working nicely. After doing updates including kernel 3.8.0-desktop-0.rc5.1.mga3 the startup process stopped and showed a message that a display driver

Re: [Mageia-dev] [council] *ping* Media query: secure boot support

2013-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2013/1/29 Sander Lepik sander.le...@eesti.ee: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 29.01.2013 11:11, Thomas Backlund kirjutas: And for people thinking of Windows 8 dual boot... Win8 does not _require_ SecureBoot either... (only the overprized RT does) And personally, I dont think

Re: [Mageia-dev] URGENT: FOSDEM restaurant [input needed from everyone]

2013-01-24 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2013/1/24 Oliver Burger oliver@gmail.com: Am 24.01.2013 01:11, schrieb eatdirt: Indeed. The other suggestion would be to bet a lot of Belgian beers, That's an option for after dinner :D See you next week for some talking and Belgian beers... I had no objections against the restaurant

Re: [Mageia-dev] URGENT: FOSDEM restaurant [input needed from everyone]

2013-01-24 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2013/1/24 AL13N al...@rmail.be: 2013/1/24 Oliver Burger oliver@gmail.com: Am 24.01.2013 01:11, schrieb eatdirt: Indeed. The other suggestion would be to bet a lot of Belgian beers, That's an option for after dinner :D See you next week for some talking and Belgian beers... I had no

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-28 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 22:39: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 22:17: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-28 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/28 Maurice Batey maur...@bcs.org.uk: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:34:31 -0700, Thomas Spuhler wrote: I opened the Networkcenter again and the same message apeared: Unable to find network interface for selected device (using wl driver) I've been through all that on a netbook with Broadcom

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-28 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/28 Maurice Batey maur...@bcs.org.uk: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:15:16 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: It's not only Mageia, trying Debian, Ubuntu, openSuse, Mint and a few others including Mageia, only 2 of them were able to get it to run longer than from one boot to the next

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org: 27.12.2012 00:54, Thomas Backlund kirjoitti: Hi, I'm thinking of dropping the nonfree prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers (and thereby their support from live images) This means also dropping them from ldetect-lst, and if we keep/add some there, it must

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 15:18: 2012/12/27 Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org: 27.12.2012 00:54, Thomas Backlund kirjoitti: Hi, I'm thinking of dropping the nonfree prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers (and thereby their support from live images

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 16:04: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: can you provide either lspcidrake -v or lspci -vnn for that device # lspcidrake -v |grep Broadcom wl : Broadcom Corporation | BCN4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 16:29: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 16:04: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: can you provide either lspcidrake -v or lspci -vnn for that device

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 16:49: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 16:29: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 16:04: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Thomas Backlund skrev 27.12.2012 17:01: I wonder if I should create 2 test livecds to ease testing right now, one without broadcom-wl, and the other with broadcom-wl and in-kernel drivers blacklisted... And so I did :) Theese are exactly the

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Thomas Backlund skrev 27.12.2012 17:01: I wonder if I should create 2 test livecds to ease testing right now, one without broadcom-wl, and the other with broadcom-wl and in-kernel drivers

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 19:54: Ok, so now I am at the point where I try to configure wifi without any additional media than the core repository- The correct wifi is found but the system says that there are additionaöl software

Re: [Mageia-dev] RFC: dropping prebuilt broadcom-wl drivers

2012-12-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 22:17: 2012/12/27 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.12.2012 19:54: Ok, so now I am at the point where I try to configure wifi without any additional media than the core repository

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/3 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com: Le 02/12/2012 13:13, Maurice Batey a écrit : Those are just some of the reasons why I would like to avoid - or postpone - conversion to GRUB2, the need for which I still fail to comprehend. Why do you care about installer support, for

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/3 Maurice Batey maur...@bcs.org.uk: On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: grub2 has btrfs support So for those pioneers who want to use btrfs, let them have an 'install with GRUB2 option, and keep GRUB-Legacy as default?! Yes, at least until btrfs is really working - if

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...

2012-11-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/26 Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com: Hi, On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to install some software and get the error: L'installation a échoué, certains fichiers sont manquants :

Re: [Mageia-dev] Utter frustration

2012-11-24 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
Just to notify Anne that the latest mails to mageia-dev arrived in 2 flavours: - 1 gnupg signed version, coming from Anne Wilson cannewil...@googlemail.com - 1 unsigned version (same text) coming from Anne Wilson an...@kde.org -- wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?

2012-11-21 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/21 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 02:32:32PM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote: Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 13:29:26, Olav Vitters a écrit : On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:11:40AM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote: If we want a full usable distro out the box, VLC must be

Re: [Mageia-dev] mirror problems (mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia)

2012-11-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/20 scsijon scsi...@lamiaworks.com.au: sorry folks but can someone let whoever know that handles the mirror updating/syncing that mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia (with a few others) had a major drive corruption/destruction about a week or so, and 'quite a bit' of it has not yet been

Re: [Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers

2012-11-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas enna...@gmail.com: Hi there As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed a contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from the company links

Re: [Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers

2012-11-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/20 Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: 2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas enna...@gmail.com: Hi there As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed a contract with Duckduckgo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...

2012-11-10 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/10 Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com: Hi, On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi *, On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com wrote: So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I

Re: [Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).

2012-11-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/8 Anne Wilson cannewil...@googlemail.com: This is an official letter, and therefore should have the official address to the recipient. Consider using a more generinc term, like «Greetings» or «Good morgning» (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a similar term.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).

2012-11-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/8 Trish Fraser tr...@thefrasers.org: Hi Donald and Johnny, On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:15:09 + Donald Stewart watersnowr...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net wrote: On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote: Dear sirs or

Re: [Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)

2012-11-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/1 PhilippeDidier philippedid...@laposte.net: Christiaan Welvaart a écrit : On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote: I don't know actually how to create *.aac files or *.mp4 files with Mageia... if you help me I will be happy... ffmpeg -i foo.mp3 -strict -2 -codec:a aac -format

Re: [Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)

2012-11-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/11/1 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com: Hi Wolfgang, *, On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: [...] After reading all arguments again I must confess that I changed my opinion: Being consequent and following our road we need

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?

2012-10-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/29 Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net: On Monday 29 October 2012 08:31, Funda Wang wrote: And, cauldron repository has been wiped.. I just checked the distrib-coffee mirror to see when the last package upload was, and found that everything there is wiped as well, and i really do

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?

2012-10-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/29 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 10/29/2012 06:40 AM, Nicolas Lécureuil wrote: Yes but as told distrib-coffee seems to have a pb but not only with mageia see : ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/ Just a reminder, if you normally mirror from distrib-coffee using

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?

2012-10-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/29 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 10/29/2012 08:06 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: No, not really. We sync with distrib-coffee but we do not get as far as the -delete option could do any damage: But putting rsync on hold until the situation is cleared up is certainly a good idea. 1

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?

2012-10-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/29 Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie: 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 29/10/12 13:25 did gyre and gimble: For me it does not matter so much anyway, mirror mandrivauser.de will close down at December 2012. :( Oh no! I liked that mirror - wy faster than d-c but still

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
Nice to see that everyone went back to Start with this discussion, almost using the same words in their arguments. Is this really needed? There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into tainted as has been said in this thread as well. There are 2 options now: 1. act according to

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/30 Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org: Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com writes: There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into tainted as has been said in this thread as well. The consensus was maybe not so clear then. Maybe not so clear for those whose opinion

Re: [Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD

2012-10-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/27 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com: On 10/26/2012 12:54 PM, Olivier Blin wrote: JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com writes: - the installer asks to remove the unused harware support, but the wording for the choice is misleading: [ ] Unsued hardware support What does it

Re: [Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install

2012-10-24 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/23 Bruno Cornec bruno.cor...@hp.com: Helo, I'm in the process of redeploying automatically my firewall machine, using Mageia. For that I'd like to have a very minimal install. However, I'm ending up with 580 packages, among them a lot of X11 content, whereas I want a text base

Re: [Mageia-dev] Welcome Götz!

2012-10-22 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/23 Donald Stewart watersnowr...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2012 22:15, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote: Hi, After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions, Götz Waschk is now joining us as

Re: [Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near

2012-10-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/12 Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org: Hi all, On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:33:51 +0200 Anne Nicolas enna...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there That was a real alpha release! Bugs, flu, tests and tests and tests again... But alpha 2 is now very near. Please have a look in wiki page and add

Re: [Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot

2012-10-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/8 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net: On 2012-10-08 11:45 (GMT-0300) Luiz Alberto Saba composed: is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already working on it ? Fedora 17, openSUSE 12.2 and ubuntu (don't remember the version) are already using it. openSUSE

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/4 Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net: On Wednesday 03 October 2012 16:07, Guillaume Rousse wrote: - how many people for using 'non-free' ? I vote for non-free And I vote for tainted. My position about mixing non-free into the core repository with a filter: That may be technically

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/4 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 10/04/2012 02:29 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: My position about mixing non-free into the core repository with a filter: That may be technically possible to integrate into urpm* and rpmdrake. But it will create confusion and problems. 1

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/4 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com: This kind of hypothetical 'selective mirror admin' is quite similar for me to the mythical 'average joe user': a practical justification to any kind of argument :) Pardon me but do vou know all mirror maintainers that you can say that? We

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/4 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 10/04/2012 10:46 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: There are/were enough Mandriva mirrors who did not mirror PLF at all. I'm well aware of that, since PLF wouldn't have existed otherwise. The question concerned mirroring nonfree, not tainted

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/4 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 10/04/2012 10:54 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: Because software have bugs, even filters, whereas physical separation is not prone to the same errors. Sure it is. See my response to Wolfgang. And if they don't trust us, they're reading the

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/4 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 10/04/2012 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Or he just forgot to add the tag - that's easier than to chose a repository on intention. Doesn't the name of the license already appear in the packaging ? Why would you need a new separate tag

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/4 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 10/04/2012 11:29 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Still the trust on a software filter is not the same as the trust in a visible separation. If you think there is no technical difference, this discussion is not just on technical of the issue. If I go

Re: [Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3

2012-10-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/3 zezinho lists.jjo...@free.fr: Em 02-10-2012 17:58, Anne Nicolas escreveu: Hi there So as planned when starting discussion, here is the final set of isos that will be built for Mageia 3. We have listed all the proposals and explanations (from both this ML and forums) to find a list

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/2 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 10/02/2012 04:03 AM, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I think it's time to revisit this decision, and rather look

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/2 James Kerr j...@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk: On 02/10/2012 12:26, Frank Griffin wrote: At least for my part, I always viewed tainted as being the equivalent of PLF, PLF had both free and non-free repo's. If you include both free and non-free in tainted, which is probably the

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/2 Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net: On Tuesday 02 October 2012 14:58, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: IMHO a package is not free anyway as soon as it qualifies for tainted - whatever reason. That is subject to jurisdiction. I happen to live in a country where software patents doesn't apply

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/2 Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net: Not according to official mageia documentation and policy it doesn't. https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories That page states that there is No nonfree software in tainted.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3

2012-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/2 Anne Nicolas enna...@gmail.com: Hi there So as planned when starting discussion, here is the final set of isos that will be built for Mageia 3. We have listed all the proposals and explanations (from both this ML and forums) to find a list that would satisfy most of Mageia users.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3

2012-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/2 Anne Nicolas enna...@gmail.com: Here is the list (Thanks MrsB for doing it first :) ): As everybody can see from the afore mentioned discussion as well as by the answers to this announcement it is not possible to cater to each and everybody's needs wishes. The solution for everybody

Re: [Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3

2012-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/2 Rémi Verschelde r...@verschelde.fr: But I guess I may have misunderstood your point. Yes, you did :) 1. My proposal was in no way ro replace all ISOs. There must be some master ISOs which went through Mageia QA and are distributed as official ISOs. But the number of different ISOs

Re: [Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3

2012-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/2 Rémi Verschelde r...@verschelde.fr: 2012/10/2 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2012/10/2 Rémi Verschelde r...@verschelde.fr: But I guess I may have misunderstood your point. Yes, you did :) 1. My proposal was in no way ro replace all ISOs. There must be some master ISOs

Re: [Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

2012-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/2 PhilippeDidier philippedid...@laposte.net: To sumarize : ;) Thx for this nice sumup, including your comments! +1 -- wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center

2012-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/1 Steven Tucker tux...@gmail.com: On 01/10/12 04:49, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 20:13 +0200, Angelo Naselli wrote: Well to be honest that has been already discussed via irc, and it seems to be as you said a good thing, the real question is how to call it :) The

Re: [Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center

2012-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/1 Angelo Naselli anase...@linux.it: Good point, but as a developer i could say we can make it configurable. I mean a generic panel can have the name into its configuration file and shown on title, while to run it a script called mcc can run generic_panel -c mcc.conf for instance, we

Re: [Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center

2012-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/10/1 Angelo Naselli anase...@linux.it: Il 01/10/2012 11:48, Wolfgang Bornath ha scritto: May be I misunderstand this sentence, but the new mcc will not carry any yastish ingredients or behavior? (From SuSE 4.4.1 on until today YaST has always been one outstanding reason for me

Re: [Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update

2012-09-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/26 Jani Välimaa jani.vali...@gmail.com: On 26.09.2012 18:00, Anne Wilson wrote: Colin, I sent this last evening, but I haven't seen it on-list. For some reason a fair number of my messages don't get through. Could it be that the digital signing worries the filters? Anne I can

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/19 Anne Wilson an...@kde.org: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/09/12 15:53, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question) Yes, they are an important distribution method. Additionally there will be reviews/articles accompanying

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/20 Anne Wilson an...@kde.org: On 20/09/12 11:19, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: This is the reason why over here nobody thinks of abandoning the cover media. Quite to the opposite as I learned from a conversation with a chief editor earlier this year. Cover media are very popular because

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/20 Donald Stewart watersnowr...@gmail.com: On 20 September 2012 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody. :) The statement that the uk has superfast internet for all isn't accurate, at the present the uk

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/19 Romain d'Alverny rdalve...@gmail.com: 2012/9/19 Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox install optional proprietary software in the installer. This allows for

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/14 Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net: On Friday 14 September 2012 14:03, Damian Ivanov wrote: - OBS is the most widely-used build system In my view, that's not a good argument. The fact that most people do one thing does not mean that we should do it. I remember I used to use the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 can be turned to cauldron actually?

2012-08-27 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/8/27 Matteo pasotti.mat...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27/08/2012 16:23, Luiz Alberto Saba wrote: Hi guys I've done a fresh mageia 2 install (x86_64) to test a new ssd. Can I change the resitories to cauldron and do a urpmi --auto-select or it will not

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME plans

2012-06-05 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/5 Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie: You've maybe not been following the Gnome OS stuff then? I have and it's very interesting. As you know I've been a KDE developer for many years, but I much prefer the Gnome approach to lower level things. People involved in the Gnome project are

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME plans

2012-06-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/4 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:13:53PM +0800, Kira wrote: Well, I think the main point of arguing about this issue is that most people is mostly used to other input method and they don't care about iBus... Still 2 points to be answered especially for Mageia

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME plans

2012-06-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/4 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Leaving out the crap about change your wording and whatever. - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any  need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME plans

2012-06-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
This chapter is wrong: BTW: We are seeing this already in the forums: people see a setting in MCC and then the same in KDE/Gnome. They will obviously use the first they see - if that differs to the setting in MCC confusion is on the way. The las part should read: - if that differs to the

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME plans

2012-06-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/4 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 08:17:39PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/6/4 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Leaving out the crap about change your wording and whatever. [..] BTW: Pls, calm

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 Richard Couture r...@linuxcabal.org: I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing the point? I don't see a hijacked thread either. -- wobo Richard On 06/03/2012 06:30 AM, Jani

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 Jani Välimaa jani.vali...@gmail.com: On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote: I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing the point? New and unique subject isn't always enough.

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 AL13N al...@rmail.be: Op zondag 3 juni 2012 14:04:07 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: 2012/6/3 Jani Välimaa jani.vali...@gmail.com: On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote: I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and unique Subject, How is that considered

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie: 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble: I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in Linux Single mode without a

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie: 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 03/06/12 17:12 did gyre and gimble: 2012/6/3 Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie: 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble: I notice that when, at the end of the installation

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
AL13N wrote earlier: For some of you, stuff you've known for ages is worthless now and you go back to being a noob (for this sort of thing) and will have to relearn a different way. The change here is new and needs a different way, yes. Nothing against that. But the same result has been

Re: [Mageia-dev] help with update/testing needed / freeze exception for me-tv

2012-05-11 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/5/9 Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de: Am 09.05.2012 12:44, schrieb Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 05/05/12 21:06 did gyre and gimble: 2012/5/5 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2012/5/5 Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de: Am 05.05.2012 21:04, schrieb

Re: [Mageia-dev] help with update/testing needed / freeze exception for me-tv

2012-05-11 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/5/11 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2012/5/9 Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de: Am 09.05.2012 12:44, schrieb Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 05/05/12 21:06 did gyre and gimble: 2012/5/5 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2012/5/5 Florian Hubold

Re: [Mageia-dev] Linuxtag tickets

2012-05-11 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/5/12 Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com: Hi there, soon Linuxtag in Berlin will open its doors (May 23rd-26th). I have gotten 16 free eTickets I can give out to whoever I want. If those are not enough there are more here as well. :) -- wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] help with update/testing needed / freeze exception for me-tv

2012-05-05 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/4 Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de: Hi all, me-tv (a really nice and easy to-use DVB viewer with EPG guide) totally went under my radar and it has not been updated nor rebuild yet for cauldron since quite some time, seems i forgot to commit my local update to 2.x branch, and me-tv

Re: [Mageia-dev] help with update/testing needed / freeze exception for me-tv

2012-05-05 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/5/5 Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de: Am 05.05.2012 21:04, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2012/4/4 Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de: Hi all, me-tv (a really nice and easy to-use DVB viewer with EPG guide) totally went under my radar and it has not been updated nor rebuild yet

Re: [Mageia-dev] help with update/testing needed / freeze exception for me-tv

2012-05-05 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/5/5 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2012/5/5 Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de: Am 05.05.2012 21:04, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2012/4/4 Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de: Hi all, me-tv (a really nice and easy to-use DVB viewer with EPG guide) totally went under my radar

Re: [Mageia-dev] Are you sure? (no confirmation before proceeding to selected packages installation)

2012-05-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/5/4 Dimitrios Glentadakis dgl...@gmail.com: Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org a écrit : 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev: On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Mageia's installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Handling single user/rescue/failsafe mode

2012-04-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/26 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com: Le 26/04/2012 12:12, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : On 26 April 2012 11:38, Colin Guthriemag...@colin.guthr.ie  wrote: It seems that in mga1 single user mode just gave a shell without requiring root password. I'm not sure when this was added,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Handling single user/rescue/failsafe mode

2012-04-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/26 Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie: 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 26/04/12 12:05 did gyre and gimble: 2012/4/26 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com: Le 26/04/2012 12:12, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : On 26 April 2012 11:38, Colin Guthriemag...@colin.guthr.ie  wrote

Re: [Mageia-dev] Handling single user/rescue/failsafe mode

2012-04-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/26 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com: Le 26/04/2012 14:22, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : What is the advantage to leave the barn door open? To make it easier on those who can not remember their root password? Having to find out how to overcome that small bar will not hurt them

Re: [Mageia-dev] Handling single user/rescue/failsafe mode

2012-04-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/26 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com: Le 26/04/2012 15:21, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2012/4/26 Guillaume Rousseguillomovi...@gmail.com: Le 26/04/2012 14:22, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : What is the advantage to leave the barn door open? To make it easier on those who can

Re: [Mageia-dev] Handling single user/rescue/failsafe mode

2012-04-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/26 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com: Le 26/04/2012 16:26, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : No, it is not a subjective setting. Because this default setting is not caused by technical reasons nor is it set because of somebody's individual opinion. It is set simply for convenience

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot

2012-04-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/12 Dimitrios Glentadakis dgl...@gmail.com: My opinion is that the person who does nt want it has to uninstall it and not that the person who want it has to install it Well, then you did not read close enough. The issue is not either-or. I would be totally content if the handbooks would

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot

2012-04-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/12 John Balcaen mik...@mageia.org: 2012/4/12 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: [...] We have been talking about handbooks because they are single packages (not included in the software package) which are not needed/wanted by everybody and they are not necessary to run

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot

2012-04-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/12 John Balcaen mik...@mageia.org: Le 12 avr. 2012 06:38, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com a écrit : [...] I am strictly opposed to include documentation in a software package, in general, not only in the case at hand. Although I spent much time for voluntary translation work

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot

2012-04-11 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/11 Dimitrios Glentadakis dgl...@gmail.com: Στις 11/04/2012 16:05:23 γράψατε: * I am not at home, actually  how much space they take ? For what kind of size we are talking about ? The /usr/share/doc/HTML/en folder has a size of 43.5 MiB, which even now if it takes a lot of place

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot

2012-04-11 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/11 Dimitrios Glentadakis dgl...@gmail.com: Στις 11/04/2012 19:11:55 Wolfgang Bornath γράψατε: 2012/4/11 Dimitrios Glentadakis dgl...@gmail.com: Στις 11/04/2012 16:05:23 γράψατε: * I am not at home, actually  how much space they take ? For what kind of size we are talking about

Re: [Mageia-dev] A note on autologin and startx

2012-04-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/8 Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie: 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/04/12 08:50 did gyre and gimble: 2012/4/7 Jose Jorge lists.jjo...@free.fr: Le 06/04/2012 22:53, Colin Guthrie a écrit : Couldn't agree more. I'd say we can happily provide a tool to configure autologin

Re: [Mageia-dev] A note on autologin and startx

2012-04-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/7 Jose Jorge lists.jjo...@free.fr: Le 06/04/2012 22:53, Colin Guthrie a écrit : Couldn't agree more. I'd say we can happily provide a tool to configure autologin, but if that is configured, it basically just sets the DM to gdm, and lets' it do the autologin. The fact that gdm is used

Re: [Mageia-dev] X + nvidia( + KDE kwin) = major memory leak

2012-04-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/7 Sander Lepik sander.le...@eesti.ee: For me this combination is causing pretty huge memory leak in X. At the same time xrestop doesn't show anything. Anssi updated Nvidia's driver to the latest but this doesn't seem to help much. So my question is: am i the only one or are there other

Re: [Mageia-dev] painful discussion n°1: debloating

2012-04-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/7 Sander Lepik sander.le...@eesti.ee: 07.04.2012 19:18, Thomas Spuhler kirjutas: On Saturday, April 07, 2012 08:38:39 AM Guillaume Rousse wrote: To summarize it: - has anyone any opposition to remove the totem-mozilla - KDE relationship in the installer ? I'd go for this. I'm not

Re: [Mageia-dev] No wifi after last kernel upgrade

2012-04-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/4/3 Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com: 2012/4/3 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org: and here is a kernel-3.3.1-1.1.mga2 to test with the above patch reverted http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/Cauldron/bugs/3.3.1-ath9k-revert/ http://tmb2.mine.nu/Mageia/Cauldron/bugs/3.3.1-ath9k-revert/

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