Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-25 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, as my first mail from Sep. 19 has not been moderated through (if you're not going to moderate posts, then just completely reject the mail, don't claim it is being sent to moderators for review).. See my comments re target/usage of LiveISOs below Hi *, On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Anne

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-24 Thread andre999
Thomas Backlund a écrit : zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52: Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu: Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have, and so on... Well, we can't keep the same servic

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-24 Thread AL13N
Op dinsdag 25 september 2012 01:21:05 schreef andre999: > Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > andre999 skrev 24.9.2012 09:57: > >> Anne Nicolas a écrit : > >>> Hi there > >>> > >>> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for > >>> final release. We had several (many!) proposals

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-24 Thread andre999
Thomas Backlund a écrit : andre999 skrev 24.9.2012 09:57: Anne Nicolas a écrit : Hi there So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take some decisions. Here are some prerequisites I can s

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-24 Thread AL13N
Op maandag 24 september 2012 13:33:49 schreef Thomas Backlund: > zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52: > > Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu: > >> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees > >> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have, >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-24 Thread Olivier Blin
Thomas Backlund writes: > and the technical side: > - stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process, It should be fine already. IIRC, dual-desktop live systems were done at Mandriva. > also giving more problem for little if any gain > - every DE on liveDVDs still need

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-24 Thread Thomas Backlund
zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52: Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu: Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have, and so on... Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-24 Thread zezinho
Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu: Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have, and so on... Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping the same number of medias. And

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-24 Thread Thomas Backlund
andre999 skrev 24.9.2012 09:57: Anne Nicolas a écrit : Hi there So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take some decisions. Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in c

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-24 Thread andre999
Anne Nicolas a écrit : Hi there So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take some decisions. Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments and review about Mageia o

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 09:40:27AM +0200, Anne Nicolas wrote: > want. So let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all > explanations to your proposal. I prefer a GNOME DVD of max 4GB in size, so it will still fit on a 4GB USB stick. The GNOME DVD should have all of the software for task

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-21 Thread Frank Griffin
On 09/20/2012 05:46 PM, Olivier Blin wrote: Frank Griffin writes: On 09/19/2012 04:20 AM, Pascal Terjan wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox "install optional proprietary software" in the installer. This allows

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Digigold
On 09/20/2012 07:33 AM, Digigold wrote: Another vote to incorporate non-free as much as possible. Someone coming from Mint/Ubuntu etc. is probably not going to stick w/Mageia if the X server fails on first boot or their WiFi requires excessive tinkering. Some students may not have access to

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Olivier Blin
Frank Griffin writes: > On 09/19/2012 04:20 AM, Pascal Terjan wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> >>> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox "install >>> optional proprietary software" in the installer. >> This allows for example magazines to distri

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/09/12 12:42, Donald Stewart wrote: > On 20 September 2012 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath > wrote: >> >> Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody. >> :) >> > > While I don't buy magazines as *I* can download any of the iso > ea

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/09/12 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2012/9/20 Anne Wilson : >> On 20/09/12 11:19, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >>> >>> This is the reason why over here nobody thinks of abandoning >>> the cover media. Quite to the opposite as I learned from a >>>

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Donald Stewart
On 20 September 2012 12:49, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2012/9/20 Donald Stewart : >> On 20 September 2012 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >>> >>> Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody. :) >> >> The statement that the uk has superfast internet for all isn't >> accurate, at

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi, On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:33:02 -0400 Digigold wrote: > On 09/19/2012 04:31 AM, Thomas Backlund wrote: > > > > for "normal install" DVDs I guess we need to add nonfree firmwares > > to the isos in separate media with an option to enable/use them in > > the install phase as some hw need it to ac

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/20 Donald Stewart : > On 20 September 2012 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >> >> Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody. :) > > The statement that the uk has superfast internet for all isn't > accurate, at the present the uk still contains Scotland. That statement w

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Donald Stewart
On 20 September 2012 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2012/9/20 Anne Wilson : >> On 20/09/12 11:19, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >>> >>> This is the reason why over here nobody thinks of abandoning the >>> cover media. Quite to the opposite as I learned from a conversation >>> with a chief editor earli

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Digigold
On 09/19/2012 04:31 AM, Thomas Backlund wrote: for "normal install" DVDs I guess we need to add nonfree firmwares to the isos in separate media with an option to enable/use them in the install phase as some hw need it to actually work. (IIRC tv had something like this in progress) Another vote

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/20 Anne Wilson : > On 20/09/12 11:19, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >> >> This is the reason why over here nobody thinks of abandoning the >> cover media. Quite to the opposite as I learned from a conversation >> with a chief editor earlier this year. Cover media are very popular >> because they c

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/09/12 11:19, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2012/9/19 Anne Wilson : >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 19/09/12 15:53, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question) >>> Yes, they are an i

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/19 Anne Wilson : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 19/09/12 15:53, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >>> Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question) >> Yes, they are an important distribution method. Additionally there >> will be reviews/articles accompanying the co

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-20 Thread EatDirt
On 19/09/12 10:31, Thomas Backlund wrote: I'd suggest for livecds: 2 liveCDs: - 1 GNOME 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM & co - 1 KDE 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM & co 4 liveDVDs: - 1 GNOME DVD i586 - all locales-* - 1 GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales-* - 1 KDE DVD i586 - all locales

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread AL13N
Op woensdag 19 september 2012 11:31:13 schreef Thomas Backlund: > I'd suggest for livecds: > 2 liveCDs: > - 1 GNOME 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM & co > - 1 KDE 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM & co > 4 liveDVDs: > - 1 GNOME DVD i586 - all locales-* > - 1 GNOME DVD x86_64 - all loc

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/09/12 15:53, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >> Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question) > Yes, they are an important distribution method. Additionally there > will be reviews/articles accompanying the cover DVDs. Don't > forget, this is

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:17:55 +0200 Pascal Terjan wrote: > > I would vote for > - Live DVDs (1 per arch) > - dual arch free CD > - dual arch nonfree CD > > maybe we can replace the dual-arch CDs by enlarged boot.iso, need to > send more about it :) > > I know machines with CD and not DVD still e

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/19 Thorsten van Lil : > Am 19.09.2012 16:53, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: >> >> 2012/9/19 Romain d'Alverny: >>> >>> 2012/9/19 Pascal Terjan: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox "install > opt

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 19.09.2012 16:53, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2012/9/19 Romain d'Alverny: 2012/9/19 Pascal Terjan: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox "install optional proprietary software" in the installer. This allows for example

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/19 Romain d'Alverny : > 2012/9/19 Pascal Terjan : >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox "install >>> optional proprietary software" in the installer. >> >> This allows for example magazines to distribute it > > Ar

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Claire REVILLET
Le 19/09/2012 15:04, Johnny A. Solbu a écrit : On Wednesday 19 September 2012 14:23, Claire Revillet wrote: boot.iso for people with bad connections. I always use boot.iso when installing, as I install over the network. Then I don't have to remember to remove the CD/DVDs as available repos. Th

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Romain d'Alverny
2012/9/19 Pascal Terjan : > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox "install >> optional proprietary software" in the installer. > > This allows for example magazines to distribute it Are paper magazines still relevant here?

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Frank Griffin
On 09/19/2012 04:20 AM, Pascal Terjan wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox "install optional proprietary software" in the installer. This allows for example magazines to distribute it Then put the nonfree and tain

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 14:23, Claire Revillet wrote: > boot.iso for people with bad connections. I always use boot.iso when installing, as I install over the network. Then I don't have to remember to remove the CD/DVDs as available repos. The only time I use DVDs for installation, is when

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Claire Revillet
Le 19/09/12 10:17, Pascal Terjan a écrit : On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Anne Nicolas wrote: Hi there So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take some decisions. Here are some prereq

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Antoine Pitrou at 19/09/12 09:11 did gyre and gimble: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:40:27 +0200 > Anne Nicolas wrote: >> Hi there >> >> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for >> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we >> n

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Sander Lepik
19.09.2012 10:40, Anne Nicolas kirjutas: Hi there So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take some decisions. Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 19.09.2012 09:40, schrieb Anne Nicolas: Hi there So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take some decisions. Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments and r

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Thomas Backlund
Anne Nicolas skrev 19.9.2012 10:40: Hi there So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take some decisions. Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments and review a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:40:27 +0200 > Anne Nicolas wrote: >> Hi there >> >> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for >> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we >> need to take some d

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Anne Nicolas wrote: > Hi there > > So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final > release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take > some decisions. > > Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can r

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:40:27 +0200 Anne Nicolas wrote: > Hi there > > So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for > final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we > need to take some decisions. > > Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I